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  1. #76
    I cannot stand Nucky's wife. I can't even watch the scenes with her. She's stupid, her accent sounds fake, bright red lipstick is dumb. I wish the show focused exclusively on the gangsters, Chalky, and I guess that Van Alden creep because something cool must come of him
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    RICHARD FUCKING HARROW!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikes View Post
    RICHARD FUCKING HARROW!
    Easily the best character in the entire series.

    And um, this is the Boardwalk Empire thread. Fuck spoilers, no?
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  4. #79
    Yeah fuck spoiler tags

    The gangster moments in this show are becoming the best of all time, and the two new bosses are fucking awesome additions. If only Nuck would choke that bitch to death would the show be true contender for GOAT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    If only Nuck would choke that bitch to death would the show be true contender for GOAT.
    After the Season 2 finale I was sure something was going to go down. I was thoroughly disappointed when when he barely mentioned it in passing and didn't at least slap her around a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I wish the show focused exclusively on the gangsters
    Yeah, that's what I want to see.
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    meh, I think the Margaret hate is understandable, but only harped on because of how awesome the rest of the show is. Her story lines really aren't bad imo, and I really like that they are tying some stuff into the era, instead of just having expensive costumes and vintage cars, and Margaret's arcs have been big on doing so.

    The kid running the coffee and buns was awesome... I really love scenes like this that are completely and utterly unnecessary from a story telling point of view, but help to truly immerse you in the world on screen. Scenes like this, and other small touches, are what lesser shows are missing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    meh, I think the Margaret hate is understandable, but only harped on because of how awesome the rest of the show is. Her story lines really aren't bad imo, and I really like that they are tying some stuff into the era, instead of just having expensive costumes and vintage cars, and Margaret's arcs have been big on doing so.

    The kid running the coffee and buns was awesome... I really love scenes like this that are completely and utterly unnecessary from a story telling point of view, but help to truly immerse you in the world on screen. Scenes like this, and other small touches, are what lesser shows are missing.
    I'd say this is normally correct (I've made the argument for other stuff, like Skyler), but for me it's not. I cannot stand most females with Irish accents. I mean I loathe them in such a strange way I don't talk about it because it makes me sound stupid and bigoted.
  9. #84
    Also she's just a shit person. Blah blah religious fundie yet adultress blah blah is super rich yet whines a lot blah blah. Fuck her, she sucks
  10. #85
    For the time period I guess just watch Downton Abbey. At least the chicks in there aren't unbearable (some are actually cool)
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    ya, the character does annoy the shit outta me, but I enjoy the story. I guess the problem with her may be that she isn't really likable because she is such a hypocrite, but she's not fun to watch being unlikable like say Doyle.
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    who's psyched? this guy.
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    What time is Boardwalk Empire usually available for download? What time does it come on on the east coast?
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    I'm thinking about 10:30-11:00 EST for download
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    Perhaps my problem isn't her accent but is her acting. That shit just sounds fake. The actress sounds fine when she's being interviewed and talking normally, but that fucking Margaret character doesn't exude an ounce of realism to me
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    The Chalky and his family stuff is super interesting. Black families in the infancy of rising out of the civil war era is a big part of American history, yet it never gets any play in Hollywood. The closest thing they ever get to black families is the Cosby Show, yet that was still catering to a white audience, thus it didn't detail much about who they were and what they went through
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    The Chalky and his family stuff is super interesting. Black families in the infancy of rising out of the civil war era is a big part of American history, yet it never gets any play in Hollywood. The closest thing they ever get to black families is the Cosby Show, yet that was still catering to a white audience, thus it didn't detail much about who they were and what they went through
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    i really love the rossetti character
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikes View Post
    You sir, forget the Jeffersons.
    I did, and I realized it after I posted that. I've never actually seen the Jeffersons either

    Yeah Rosetti fucking rules. Biggest dirtbag on the planet, but great TV
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    the way he says "d l calluingsworth. proprietor" combined with the smile and hand gestures made me cackle.

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    I like the new character played by the actor who was the boss on Newsradio as well as the dude who burned the building down in Office Space.
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    Was that Rip Torn? He didn't get credited for that, I don't think.
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    That's Stephen Root and you're lucky I didn't ban you for that
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    I meant Stephen Root. I always get the two confused for some reason.

    But yeah, Rosetti is an amazing character and I don't find Mrs. Thomson THAT annoying yet. There needs to be more Harrow. I can't get enough of him.
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  25. #100
    margaret sounds like a six year old girl playing dolls and tea time
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    New York parts = cool
    Chicago parts = cool
    Margaret Thompson parts = boring
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    Yeah, seconded. I really am finding her less and less bearable.

    I honestly don't give a shit about the prenatal care center / clinic / whatever, I don't care about how she used the bishop to coerce the dude into making it happen. Seriously, this plot line better have some awesome shit coming its way.

    I remember back in Season 1 when I thought Margaret was interesting and actually kinda hot. Man, what was I thinking.
  28. #103
    i frolicked on over to 2p2 only to notice those mouth-breathers making asinine claims like margaret >>> skyler and rosetti is poorly written and nucky should be played by goodman or gandolfini. im not sure it's possible to be more wrong than that
  29. #104
    Ya, there is a lot of noise over in OOTV.

    But I don't mind Margaret's arc. It def feels like a complete side story, which is a drawback, but I did enjoy the payoff of her owning the Doctor guy. The Harrow thing was really cool, probably my favorite scene this season. But overall the episode seemed to move pretty slow. Stuff happened, but the whole Rosetti thing just got us back to where we were last episode. Myer Lansky is awesome though, I enjoyed their forays into Heroine dealing. His cool calm plotting ways paint him as an up and coming Rothstein, which can never be a bad thing.
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    I don't really enjoy the whole dream sequences. It seems way too similar to the Sopranos.

    Also, I would have to agree with Margaret > Skyler. I fucking hate Skyler. Margaret doesn't necessarily bother me while any scene with Skyler ticks me off.

    The scene with Harrow was great. He's easily my favorite character followed by Rossetti. Rossetti getting all bent out of shape over dumb things is kinda meh though.
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  31. #106
    Skyler is a more relevant character than Margaret. The hate for Skyler that permeates 2p2 is due to the self-absorbed know-it-all mouth-breathers not understanding good storytelling. They merely get caught up in the superficial about how she sucks in isolation. Margaret, OTOH, is irrelevant to the rest of the show for the most part. Skyler's usage in BB is substantially better than Margaret's usage in BWE
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Skyler is a more relevant character than Margaret. The hate for Skyler that permeates 2p2 is due to the self-absorbed know-it-all mouth-breathers not understanding good storytelling. They merely get caught up in the superficial about how she sucks in isolation. Margaret, OTOH, is irrelevant to the rest of the show for the most part. Skyler's usage in BB is substantially better than Margaret's usage in BWE
    I agree with everything you posted here. I still fucking hate Skyler.
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    She is the one who bitches
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    Did I miss something about who ordered the hit on Rosetti?

    Seems like Nucky has way more reason to take him out but that was Rothstein's boy who went, right?

    What am I missing?
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    Looked to me that they were all in on it off camera
  36. #111
    it seems like there is something that Nucky conceded something to get AR to deal with it. We didn't hear the end of the conversation between them.

    Anyways, this episode was a pretty amazing mid season climax. So many amazing scenes. Nucky is really becoming a full fledged tyrant, and the resulting scene with Chalky and his man intimidating the vaudeville guy was a really cool result.

    I really think this is a glowing example of why this is a top tier show-- they leave our favorite side character out of the past two episodes, yet he isn't even missed.
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    Well the shooter was Bugsy Siegal, who is a subordinate of Rothstein, not Nucky, and judging from Owen's report to Nucky, the hit was on behalf of both Rothstein and Nucky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    Well the shooter was Bugsy Siegal, who is a subordinate of Rothstein, not Nucky, and judging from Owen's report to Nucky, the hit was on behalf of both Rothstein and Nucky.
    Right, Owen got his info from Rothstein so they were all working together on it.
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    Gillian is evil.
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    I'm guessing that's Jimmy's mom?

    The show has some really advanced subtext. Like how Nucky was intrigued by his wife performing. We now know more about why he has the other mistress. They could have even started patching up their relationship when he offered to teach her how to juggle, but she opted not to, which is interesting because she likes to blame Nuck for why bad things happen to her. She had even just finished complaining about how their relationship sucks, but she doesn't take the one option that could have started a change for the better
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    ya. fuck margaret. Good point about Nucky though wuf.

    Anyway, the greatest part about this episode is the gratuitous amount of Gretchen Mol's tits. They get a lot of camera time. No complaints.
  42. #117
    That was an amazing hour of television. Zero action, but so much slow burn. They really pulled off the pay-off to the Eli/Nucky drama so well. It's hard to resolve tension with feel-good moments in an ultra-violent crime show, yet they did it twice in one episode. Even all the Gyp haters have to admit that the actor was impressive in this episode.
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    I agree with everything you posted here. I still fucking hate Skyler.
    I love skyler, but that is mainly because of the first two seasons.
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    Greatest show ever. Gillian is absolutely beautiful and added a great twist to the show. I thought she was bathing the look-a-like to reminisce about bathing her son but then he killed him. It was awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    Greatest show ever. Gillian is absolutely beautiful and added a great twist to the show. I thought she was bathing the look-a-like to reminisce about bathing her son but then he killed him. It was awesome.
    After all the dialogue about selling the house earlier in the episode, as soon as they went in the bathroom is when I realized what was about to go down.

    Obviously Richard is going to realize that's not Jimmy though. Hopefully some more bad ass scenes from him are coming. The "I'll kill you" line at lunch/dinner, even in it's simplicity, was so fucking awesome.
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    Ya, there was creepiness all through the Gillian scenes. I knew it was going to go down, the look-a-like was getting tons of screen time, yet wasn't really going anywhere with it. While I still am enjoying the arc, it's been pretty transparent for me.

    Harrow threat was great. It exemplified his badassness. Most guys talk big in front of girls to impress them, but aren't really about it. But we know that Richard was sincere in his threat, but then downplays it to the girl, because he doesn't need to buff up his badass cred.
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    What an amazing episode this last one was. It must be top 10 episodes of any show I've ever watched. The part where George completely loses it and burns the guy with the iron was great. The ending was just marvelous. Leave it to Rosetti to go completely overboard. Just perfect.
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    Yeah, the iron was interesting. It was cool how everyone was terrified of him.

    Rosetti is bad for business...
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    Holy fuck. Such a good episode.

    Even though the Margaret story line has been arguably the dullest on the show, I feel like that's about to pick up in the next 2 episodes after the extended conversation with Owen scene.

    This show has some amazing and badass one liners. Gyp's "You owe me" line he gave that guy's cousin after smashing his head in was fucking great.

    I've started watching this on online at HBOGO.com for the added features. It makes the show even better, definitely recommend it.
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    Yeah, it was an awesome episode. Things look really bad for Nucky right now but he's been through tough times before...
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    Rossetti is one of the most well done bad guys in cinematic history
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    Yeah, hbo does a nice job keeping us entertained with bad guys. Joffrey is crazy in Game of Thrones and now we have Rossetti in Boardwalk Empire. Still, I think Rossetti might get killed soon. They can't keep killing off main characters so they have to bring in guys like Rossetti for a single season.
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    I'm really hoping the other Italian boss gets killed and Rosetti stays for next season. He's just amazing television. After this last episode, this is easily the best show I've ever watched. Having Owen delivered to Nucky was awesome, truly awesome.

    Also, this:
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    Oh, and the scene with Harrow about to kill that drunk angry guy, priceless.

    Lastly, good analysis regarding the scene with Rothstein and Masseria: jmose86 comments on Boardwalk Empire Episode Discussion S03E10 "A Man, A Plan..."
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  55. #130
    goat episode is goat

    well not goat, i call everything goat

    but id say the most excited i am for this show came when capone showed up


    lol at douchetards on 2p2 whining about chalky. shit was bananas. they're not good critics of good shows, only good critics of bad shows. it should have been clear chalky wasn't just a throwaway

    harrow best gat some motherfuckers

    i said it a while ago but will reiterate: they should have used all fake names instead of using capone, rothstein, etc because then the audience not knowing which characters may or may not be "favored" would allow the drama to reach its height of intrigue
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    The fact that Capone is in Boardwalk Empire makes it all the more interesting imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    i said it a while ago but will reiterate: they should have used all fake names instead of using capone, rothstein, etc because then the audience not knowing which characters may or may not be "favored" would allow the drama to reach its height of intrigue
    well, they did change nucky's last name at least, but i guess there really isnt that much suspense there given he's the main character of the show and yeah no show without em.
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    The ending of this last episode gave me chills. I fuckin' love the Capone character. Also, Harrow getting ready for action. Some shit's gonna go down in the finale. I already feel it's gonna be my favorite hour of television, ever.
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    Holy shit that was a good episode! I was scared like hell for Nucky even though he's the main character and there's no show without him.
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    Favorite episode of the series so far. No boring 35 minute build up. The entire episode fucking was fantastic.

    I love the way they've worked Capone in this season. Every time he's on screen some awesome shit is going down. He's easily my second favorite character now next to Richard.

    Depending on how they end the series, this can easily knock The Wire and Sopranos out for greatest TV show of all time.
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    The fact that Capone is in Boardwalk Empire makes it all the more interesting imo.
    In a way it certainly does, but I feel like they should have gone full fiction and fabricated entirely new characters. They could still use everything of the time, but make it with all new identities so we don't always know who the Capone is, who the Rothstein is, etc

    At least they have some leeway with Nuck being partially fictional. Rome did the same thing with Lucius Vorenus and it worked. Caesar, Octavian, Brutus, and Antony were certainly interesting characters, but they worked best when the real plot lines revolved around the entirely fictional Vorenus. Nuck is the same way, but I feel BWE is different than Rome in that everything really did revolve around Vorenus, but in BWE there is great potential for things to not revolve around any key character like Nuck.

    If the roles were entirely fictional, we would be thinking "omg Rossetti could kill everybody, even Capone, and the evil scumbag will become the greatest kingpin of all time omg omg." But now we can't think that because we know the history
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    Favorite episode of the series so far. No boring 35 minute build up. The entire episode fucking was fantastic.

    I love the way they've worked Capone in this season. Every time he's on screen some awesome shit is going down. He's easily my second favorite character now next to Richard.

    Depending on how they end the series, this can easily knock The Wire and Sopranos out for greatest TV show of all time.
    Don't let 2p2ers trick you, Sopranos isn't in line for GOAT. Tony certainly was developed more than any single character in any other top tier show, but it ended up being too redundant, and unlike most of the top tier shows out there, Sopranos was actually finished. Carnivale, Rome, Firefly, Freaks and Geeks, and several others were never finished, unfortunately. Breaking Bad, BWE, and Game of Thrones are among the shows that will definitely be better than Sopranos when they're done
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    I like how Wuf somehow thinks everyone reads the 2p2 TV forum.
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    you didnt get the memo?
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    It could be said that Nuck isn't so much a bad guy but that he values loyalty more than anything. Of course, he thinks of himself (and his ilk) as special and they can do bad things to people not with them (which is a moderately standard philosophy for most humans), but when it comes to how Nuck treats the people he's close with, loyalty seems to be the only thing that matters. Eddie never betrayed him and he cared for him a lot in this episode, but Jimmy did betray him and died because of it. Eli is becoming a different case in that Nuck may "get over it." Or he may eventually decide again to kill Eli. In a way that would be a cop-out by the writers IMO because it would mean that Nuck doesn't have to deal with the unusual conflict of fully accepting his betraying brother again.

    My guess as to why Chalky sides with Nuck is that Nuck actually treats him better and with more respect than Chalky thinks somebody like Rossetti would. That could have something to do with Nuck viewing Chalky as loyal. Overall I doubt the writers have thought the character idiosyncrasies through this much, but it is a neat dynamic that's growing.
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    ITT Wufwugy knows more about the show than the show's writers.
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    I didn't mean it like that. It's difficult for TV shows to have overarching subtexts from the beginning. In fact, it's almost unheard of. They operate on short term ratings criteria first and foremost, so they usually have little focus on intricate details of their characters.

    I would wager that most of the thematic elements found in a series are not considered in the beginning; instead they grow organically. Also that is how it should almost always be because not doing it that way creates too many contrivances. Breaking Bad always knew Walt was going to rise like Scarface, but the writers never had any detail beyond that. The Wire was the same in that Simon always planned for the Greek tragedy elements, but I really doubt any of the nuances of how they would get there were constructed before the time came to write each script
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    I think you're not giving the writers of these types of shows credit. Due to the difference between cable TV and HBO, I'll agree with that being said of Breaking Bad (on FX). As for the HBO shows, I'd love to know where you're pulling this "unheard of" malarkey from. You can't just say that without having anything to back it up. I'll give the writers of HBO shows credit where it's due especially with something as non-complex as the relationship between Nucky and Chalky.
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    I actually think wuf's probably right on this one, even in the case of HBO. Too often we see, as he said, plot contrivances which sort of give away the fact that the subtexts and side plot lines were not fully thought through with perfect foresight. I guess Lost would be a perfect example of this, obviously it's not an HBO series but you get my drift.
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    Boardwalk Empire is perfect right now but it is still early. Hopefully it won't be like the Sopranos where it peaks early and isn't as good the last few seasons.
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    I'm pretty sure that Boardwalk Empire is completely superior to the Sopranos, so far, even if you compare it to the best of the Sopranos (seasons 1 and 2). That doesn't reflect poorly on the Sopranos, it just recognizes the economic advantages bestowed on shows that are written in the present by shows that were written in the past.

    Whenever something great like the Sopranos or Breaking Bad emerges, it becomes the standard by which everything created after is compared. So all things being equal, (budget, writing talent, acting talent, so on) something created after the Sopranos will be far better.

    This is why I am kind of reluctant to rank best shows of all time. I doubt anyone would put Oz in the top 3 or 5 best shows, but the truth is that Oz was the first premium channel serial drama ever, and thus exerted huge influence on its predecessors like Six Feet Under and the Sopranos. This is most evident by the fact that nearly every cast member of Oz went on to star in tons of great shows thereafter. And yet, many would correctly regard that Oz is inferior to the current serial drama.
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    The first three seasons of Oz were stellar

    Boog, I have no evidence other than I've never seen any show where it was claimed much of the writing was done until crunch time. For example, after the halfway point of Season 5 Breaking Bad aired, Gilligan said that fans would be surprised at how little of the last eight episodes they've actually written. I conjecture that of what writers have outlined long before the scripts are developed, it is almost always along the lines of what happens, not how or why. For example, in BB, I think there is some really strong symbolism in the first 8 eps of the last season for what happens in the last 8 eps, but the creator himself has said that they didn't actually detail much of the last 8 eps while devising the first 8 eps. They probably know that somebody will do a certain something to somebody else, but aren't yet sure how they're going to construct it until they write the scenes

    Breaking Bad does seem like the type where they would have a general idea from the beginning like "Walt's hubris will be his downfall". Maybe BWE writers got into such detail that they thought "Nuck has a betrayal complex" from the beginning or "Chalky doesn't betray Nuck when everybody else does". But usually those types of details are changed when it comes to write it on paper and get the directors to set it up and the editors to find what works best and the producers to like how each episode attracts audiences.
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    Best line of the series.
    That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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    Also, can we predict who Harrow is going to kill this episode? Gylian is as good as dead imo.
    That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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    honestly i have no clue what harrow is up to. it seems to me that he's out of the loop on almost everything at this point

    i guess maybe he's thinking that since he's no longer employed by whore milf son fucker, he thinks he needs to become employed by nuck, so he plans on blasting gyp for him or something

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