The Bill O'reilly smear job of Obama.

[vqc]

By Bill O'Reilly for BillOReilly.com
Friday, September 5, 2008

Like him or not, you have to give Barack Obama credit for waging a smart, focused campaign. Destroying the Clinton machine was a major achievement and so was putting together a successful convention in Denver. Obama is now firmly a part of U.S. history, no matter what happens in the presidential election.

The problem some Americans continue to have with the Senator is that he is long on charisma but short on detail. This frightens some voters. Who the heck is this guy, anyway? So when Obama finally agreed to speak to me this week, specifics were on my mind.

First, the man. The Barack Obama I witnessed is self-confident, determined and driven. He was acutely aware of his surroundings from the moment he entered the room. He looks you in the eye and touches your shoulder. He understands how to connect one-on-one.


As far as philosophy goes, Senator Obama is convinced that the federal government should be in control of income distribution and, to some extent, should regulate the free marketplace. That is a classic liberal position, and Obama promotes it well.
The Senator also believes that poor Americans have a basic right to free health care and monetary supplements from the government with no strings attached. The American substance abuser, for example, would derive the same benefit as a hard working, laid off worker would. Again, classic liberalism. No judgments made regarding entitlements.

So, if Barack Obama does become president, there will definitely be change. His left-wing base will demand it, and he will come through. You can decide if that's change we should believe in, but keep in mind that the unintended consequences of government interference in the marketplace are impossible to predict. Free markets have a way of chafing under government imposition.

On the foreign policy front, Obama has convinced me that he is tough but cautious. He rose up quickly because he vehemently opposed the Iraq war. But now I see a man who understands the victory that has taken place in Iraq. I don't believe he wants to screw that up. I could be wrong.

After going mano-a-mano with Obama on television, I am also persuaded that he is a sincere guy-that he wants the best for all Americans. He's an ideologue, but not a blind one. He understands that his story is incredible, and, I have come to believe, he is grateful to the American system for allowing it happen.

It is true that we don't know whether Senator Obama has the ability to solve complex problems, but you can say that about all presidential contenders.

Like most politicians, Obama has used guile and good luck to accumulate his power. He can be ruthless, kind, unfair, and generous. In short, he's a real person trying to achieve an unreal position-that of the most powerful person in the world.

God help him.

[gabe]

the article seems pretty accurate to me, do you disagree with any of his points or something?

[gabe]

ps im not voting for mccain

[Jack Sawyer]

bill o'reilly is a man on a mission

[bode]

i typically don't like Bill O'reilly, but this is definitely not a smear job. This is on point with basically everything i have read/heard about Obama.

[will641]

so......if he makes one criticism its a smear? seriously lol at this being a "smear job".

"After going mano-a-mano with Obama on television, I am also persuaded that he is a sincere guy-that he wants the best for all Americans."

^^^^mmmm thats smeartastic.

[will641]

hey jack sawyer, which network got their main anchors got their anchors pulled from election coverage?

[Warpe]

I think Bill O was reasonably fair, given his leanings. Obama came out of that interview just fine.

McCain-Palin's outright lies are another issue.

[The_OG_Rocco]

I think Bill O was reasonably fair, given his leanings. Obama came out of that interview just fine.

McCain-Palin's outright lies are another issue.

Please give some specifics as to your allegations? What ''outright lies'' are you referring to?

[Warpe]

http://online.wsj.com/public/article...gn2008_leftbox

http://mediamatters.org/items/200809100009?f=i_latest

http://online.wsj.com/public/article...ign2008_topbox

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/staff/mar...ory/52169.html

http://mediamatters.org/items/200809090020

[ProZachNation]

hey jack sawyer, which network got their main anchors got their anchors pulled from election coverage?

Which station doesn't have enough integrity to pull their anchors who are just as bad if not worse?

[will641]

hey jack sawyer, which network got their main anchors got their anchors pulled from election coverage?

Which station doesn't have enough integrity to pull their anchors who are just as bad if not worse?

ha, yeah either that or they realized how fucking terrible they were doing in ratings and essentially had to pull them.

[The_OG_Rocco]

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB122090791901411709.html?mod=special_page_campaig n2008_leftbox

http://mediamatters.org/items/200809100009?f=i_latest

http://online.wsj.com/public/article...ign2008_topbox

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/staff/mar...ory/52169.html

http://mediamatters.org/items/200809090020

Ohhhh, Okay, so your 'source' are those Extremely Left Wing and ''Totally Biased'' Socialist folks over at 'Media Matters'.
Yeah, there's a real reliable source for ya!
I can tell that trying to reason with someone like you would be about the same as me trying to break through a brick wall with my friggin head.
I now know enough about you and your views to avoid getting into it any further.
P.S.
If you don't like my response, then don't open up a can of worms.
My momma always said, "Don't argue about politics or religion, because it will only end up in a fight and hard feelings." Do me a favor and please take my mommas advice okay? Thanks.

[gabe]

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB122090791901411709.html?mod=special_page_campaig n2008_leftbox

i clicked on this link, realized it wasnt an outright lie, and didnt click any of the other ones.

at first she wanted the bridge, realized it was a bad idea, then took part in stopping it.

[Warpe]

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB122090791901411709.html?mod=special_page_campaig n2008_leftbox

http://mediamatters.org/items/200809100009?f=i_latest

http://online.wsj.com/public/article...ign2008_topbox

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/staff/mar...ory/52169.html

http://mediamatters.org/items/200809090020

Ohhhh, Okay, so your 'source' are those Extremely Left Wing and ''Totally Biased'' Socialist folks over at 'Media Matters'.
Yeah, there's a real reliable source for ya!
I can tell that trying to reason with someone like you would be about the same as me trying to break through a brick wall with my friggin head.
I now know enough about you and your views to avoid getting into it any further.
P.S.
If you don't like my response, then don't open up a can of worms.
My momma always said, "Don't argue about politics or religion, because it will only end up in a fight and hard feelings." Do me a favor and please take my mommas advice okay? Thanks.

So verbatim transcripts from the Washington Post, AP, CNN's American Morning, CNN's The Situation Room, ABC's Good Morning America, CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 aren't good enough for ya, eh? Or the Wall Street Journal (also cited, twice). Glad to see you have a diverse list of media sources, or that you like to address the issues instead of denigrating the source.

Ignornce is bliss, I guess. Keep watching FOX and enjoying staying stupid.

[The_OG_Rocco]

So verbatim transcripts from the Washington Post, AP, CNN's American Morning, CNN's The Situation Room, ABC's Good Morning America, CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 aren't good enough for ya, eh? Or the Wall Street Journal (also cited, twice). Glad to see you have a diverse list of media sources, or that you like to address the issues instead of denigrating the source.

Ignornce is bliss, I guess. Keep watching FOX and enjoying staying stupid.

All of your 'sources' have been proven to be biased. They are all in the tank for Obama and you know it.
Yes Ignorance is indeed bliss for you. Keep on blogging with the rest of your ilk at the Daily Kos and enjoy staying even dumber than me.
P.S.
My IQ is 134.
I somehow doubt that yours is much higher than 100 (The national average.)

[gabe]

warpe do you think we don't have a mostly liberal media?

[will641]

i think warpe did a pretty good job of diversifying sources there. the wsj is conservative. however, i will read cnn articles and what not, because they reflect liberal opinions a lot, just like fox reflects conservative, but i won't bother with crap like mediamatters on moveon, because they are a total joke. you may say, well you need to diversify media outlets, but why would i read something where i dont trust the people and in all probability will be lying through their teeth?

go ahead, commence with fox jokes that they lie through their teeth, but you will be wasting your time. btw, referring to the royal 'you'.

[will641]

warpe do you think we don't have a mostly liberal media?

here's my theory of why some people wont admit to this: they dont want you to have an option, so everyone will think like they do.

[The_OG_Rocco]

warpe do you think we don't have a mostly liberal media?

here's my theory of why some people wont admit to this: they dont want you to have an option, so everyone will think like they do.

Amen my brother. I couldn't agree with you more.

[BennyLaRue]

P.S.
My IQ is 134.
I somehow doubt that yours is much higher than 100 (The national average.)

:shock:

Wait, wat?

[Warpe]

All of your 'sources' have been proven to be biased. They are all in the tank for Obama and you know it.

Proven by whom? And the Wall Street Journal is a conservative newspaper, far from 'in the tank' for Obama.

P.S.
My IQ is 134.
I somehow doubt that yours is much higher than 100 (The national average.)

Your nation, not mine, and at last measure I came in north of 130 as well.

warpe do you think we don't have a mostly liberal media?

Compared to Canadian media, not even close. I watch mostly cable news outlets for American news (CNN, MSNBC, occasional FOX to find out what they're saying) then CBC/CTV for Canadian and world news and BBC, plus Bloomberg and BNN for business news. What Americans call a 'liberal' media is pretty middle of the road stuff. MSNBC definitely has a liberal bias, although they balance their panels pretty well (Pat Buchanan, Joe Scarborough, Tucker 'They Took My Show Away' Carlson) CNN I'd say is down the middle and FOX is...well...FOX. CNN came in as the 'most trusted' cable news source in the latest polls that measure that stuff and I'd say they've pretty well earned it.

[Warpe]

you may say, well you need to diversify media outlets, but why would i read something where i dont trust the people and in all probability will be lying through their teeth?

I don't think ANY single news source should be trusted to relay the truth, that's why I have many. Left wing partisan Obamamaniac bloggers make me laugh just as much as those morning bobbleheads on FOX. There are extremes on both sides and I just try to have a good handle on how a story is being handled by a variety of media sources. People have a tendency to not pay attention to media they have already decided they don't agree with, which I think is a mistake. It just makes your view of the world narrower than it should be. You should watch Olbermann for the same reason I watch Bill O - so you know what he''s saying and as an excuse to yell at the TV

[Warpe]

warpe do you think we don't have a mostly liberal media?

here's my theory of why some people wont admit to this: they dont want you to have an option, so everyone will think like they do.

This argument cuts both ways. Why does Bill O constantly ridicule to the left wing in such derogatory terms? Because he wants everyone to think like him. You need voices on both ends of the spectrum and everything in-between to keep everyone honest.

[Warpe]

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB122090791901411709.html?mod=special_page_campaig n2008_leftbox

i clicked on this link, realized it wasnt an outright lie, and didnt click any of the other ones.

at first she wanted the bridge, realized it was a bad idea after the project had become an embarrassment to the state, after federal dollars for the project were pulled back and diverted to other uses in Alaska, and after she had appeared to support the bridge during her campaign for governor* then took part in stopping it.

*FYP, source:AP http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...jzf6QD932MU100

[Jack Sawyer]

hey jack sawyer, which network got their main anchors got their anchors pulled from election coverage?

no idea, i have been quite out of the loop recently.


i just don't like that asshole bill o'reilly. his methods are lowly and scumlike.


MO:
bill invites someone he's going to smear over.
bill asks him or her a complex question, which you can answer with yes/no but this answer will never be good, unless you explain its context.
interviewee answers yes/no, then tries to explain
bill will at this point interrupt him/her 70 times with contra-arguments which are exactly the same as the question, just differently worded or vaguely related.
interviewee keeps on trying to explain
bill strikes again
interviewee gets mad
bill says AHA, point made
rinse, repeat.


of course he'll sometimes balance his range, by inviting someone he likes over and having the most civil interview ever, probably with cups of tea included.


and people watch this, sensationalist pricks think this is good journalism. this isn't. its just an opinionated prick not allowing anyone else in the whole world who has a different opinion than him, to express it.



oh, and I see you bring over and over the ratings into play. there is one simple fact, will: the masses are stupid. unbelievably stupid.

if the masses were not stupid, ron paul would now be the republican candidate. all that had to be done was portray him as enough of a lunatic over and over again to the masses, and boom, the powers that be get what they want.

[bode]

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB122090791901411709.html?mod=special_page_campaig n2008_leftbox

i clicked on this link, realized it wasnt an outright lie, and didnt click any of the other ones.

at first she wanted the bridge, realized it was a bad idea after the project had become an embarrassment to the state, after federal dollars for the project were pulled back and diverted to other uses in Alaska, and after she had appeared to support the bridge during her campaign for governor* then took part in stopping it.

*FYP, source:AP http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...jzf6QD932MU100

this is very true, but how many politicians would have gone through with it anyways just to have the "achievement" on their record even if it is/was a huge waste of money?

[The_OG_Rocco]

Compared to Canadian media, not even close. I watch mostly cable news outlets for American news (CNN, MSNBC, occasional FOX to find out what they're saying) then CBC/CTV for Canadian and world news and BBC, plus Bloomberg and BNN for business news. What Americans call a 'liberal' media is pretty middle of the road stuff. .[/quote]

That pretty much explains your left leaning stance then.
If American partisan liberalism in the media is not even close to the partisan liberalism in Canada's media, then what are we arguing about? You'll never accept my views and I'll never accept yours. Case closed.
Most Liberals think that killing living unborn human babies is okay, Most Conservatives don't.
Most Liberals think that it's okay to weaken our Military, Most Conservatives don't.
Most Liberals think that the Government should tax the backs of the working citizens while giving out handouts to the lazy ones (The so called Underprivelaged) in society and Most Conservatives disagree.
Etc...Etc...
This entire argument is moot and the political can of worms should remain closed seeing as it really has no place whatsoever in a Poker Forum.
If you want to post your Political "opinions", then be prepared to be challenged by others who do not see things the same way that you do.

[d0zer]

The_OG_Rocco is like the conservative version of partisan liberals who make stupid blanket statements like "Conservatives are warmongering murderers" or "Conservatives want to repeal woman's rights back to the point where they don't have a vote" or "<misc inflamatory hyperbole>".

dude...


Being unable to discuss politics is basically admitting that you're a partisan with such thick blinders that you can't even consider that someone else might have a point.

[Warpe]

You'll never accept my views and I'll never accept yours. Case closed.

Nice open mind you have there.

This entire argument is moot and the political can of worms should remain closed seeing as it really has no place whatsoever in a Poker Forum.

Political discussions in the FTR Community are and have been very common and will continue to be so, I hope. But then you haven't been around FTR very long, have you, noob?

If you want to post your Political "opinions", then be prepared to be challenged by others who do not see things the same way that you do.

I'm always prepared to be challenged, civilly and intelligently, as will641 and others can attest to, so fire away. So far though, you haven't really offered much other than to denigrate my sources and my intelligence. Care to talk about the issues? Or is your mind too closed for that?

[Warpe]

Lies...

Out of bounds! McCain misstates Obama sex-ed record
By Margaret Talev | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — Throw the flag against: The McCain-Palin campaign.

Call: Unsportsmanlike conduct.

What happened: A new 30-second TV ad attacks Barack Obama's record on education, saying that Obama backed legislation to teach "'comprehensive sex education' to kindergartners." The announcer then says, "Learning about sex before learning to read? Barack Obama. Wrong on education. Wrong for your family."

Why that's wrong: This is a deliberately misleading accusation. It came hours after the Obama campaign released a TV ad critical of McCain's votes on public education. As a state senator in Illinois, Obama did vote for but was not a sponsor of legislation dealing with sex ed for grades K-12.

But the legislation allowed local school boards to teach "age-appropriate" sex education, not comprehensive lessons to kindergartners, and it gave schools the ability to warn young children about inappropriate touching and sexual predators.

Republican Alan Keyes tried to use Obama's vote against him in the 2004 U.S. Senate race. At the time, Obama spoke about wanting to protect young children from abuse. He made clear then that he was not supporting teaching kindergartners about explicit details of sex.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said Tuesday of McCain's ad: "It is shameful and downright perverse for the McCain campaign to use a bill that was written to protect young children from sexual predators as a recycled and discredited political attack against a father of two young girls."

[The_OG_Rocco]

You'll never accept my views and I'll never accept yours. Case closed.

Nice open mind you have there.

My mind is open enough from experience to know that arguing with you and your partisan liberal kind is pretty much pointless.
It's like trying to reason with a bunch of mules who refuses to budge.
I know because I have played this little game with many liberal nutjobs before you.

This entire argument is moot and the political can of worms should remain closed seeing as it really has no place whatsoever in a Poker Forum.

Political discussions in the FTR Community are and have been very common and will continue to be so, I hope. But then you haven't been around FTR very long, have you, noob?

Do you think that calling me a 'noob' bothers me? Jeezuz you are shallow. I guess that the majority of the I.Q's in good old liberal Canada aren't that high either eh?

If you want to post your Political "opinions", then be prepared to be challenged by others who do not see things the same way that you do.

I'm always prepared to be challenged, civilly and intelligently, as will641 and others can attest to, so fire away. So far though, you haven't really offered much other than to denigrate my sources and my intelligence. Care to talk about the issues? Or is your mind too closed for that?

I never attacked anyones intelligence first like you did here mister, on the contrary. If you read the post before mine, you will see that it was YOU who attacked my intelligence first pal.
Nice twist on the facts that you put there, but that's pretty typical of many of you Libs now isn't it?

[The_OG_Rocco]

[quote="Warpe"][quote="The_OG_Rocco"]

Ignornce is bliss, I guess. Keep watching FOX and enjoying staying stupid.

Hey Warpe,
Remember this quote from YOU?
When you decided to stop acting civil and intelligent and lowered yourself to name calling, then this is the result. "ARGUING!"
What a hypocrite you are.
LMAO

[vqc]

Holy crap guys, this was a joke! I didn't read the whole thread yet, but I will get around to it.

That piece has ZERO smearing.

[nutsinho]

Rocco ur a moran

[The_OG_Rocco]

Rocco ur a moran

Wow, another 'mature' response from I am guessing another lib eh? I guess that you libs have to stick together no matter what right?
You don't know me from Adam pal, so for you to call me a moron only proves my earlier point about trying to reason with a mule or a bunch of mules as appears to be the case here. "HeeHaaw".
I guess that I'd rather be a moron then as opposed to being a JackA$$.

[will641]

rocco word to the wise. ive been posting here a little more than a year, and it just makes life so much easier when you try to avoid pissing contests. tbh you started it by telling warpe its like talking to a wall or w/e. i know, when i disagree with ppl on ftr and the internet in general its really easy to start talking shit, but when you don't talk shit, or limit it substantially, you might find your life easier. im guessing right now all you can think about is trying to prove warpe or whoever wrong. if thats the case just do what i said and you wont find interweb wars ruining your day. at least thats the way it was for me.

[will641]

Holy crap guys, this was a joke! I didn't read the whole thread yet, but I will get around to it.

That piece has ZERO smearing.

lol that's good to hear, because my first reaction was i thought vqc was a reasonable human being. like i said, good to hear you are still reasonable!!!

[The_OG_Rocco]

rocco word to the wise. ive been posting here a little more than a year, and it just makes life so much easier when you try to avoid pissing contests. tbh you started it by telling warpe its like talking to a wall or w/e. i know, when i disagree with ppl on ftr and the internet in general its really easy to start talking shit, but when you don't talk shit, or limit it substantially, you might find your life easier. im guessing right now all you can think about is trying to prove warpe or whoever wrong. if thats the case just do what i said and you wont find interweb wars ruining your day. at least thats the way it was for me.

Thank you for the good advice sir.
I will try my best to keep it in mind.
I just can't stand it when one side bloviates, it drives me crazy.
yes, I heard the word Bloviates on the O'Reilly Factor, I guess viewing that program makes me a stupid moron in the views of some people here. Oh well.

[BennyLaRue]

I guess that the majority of the I.Q's in good old liberal Canada aren't that high either eh?[/b]

Ban, pls.

[ProZachNation]

Wow so Rocco has been here 2 days and already shitting on people, usually it is nice to chill for a bit before you shit on the residents chest (ya know to find out if they like it or not first).

[The_OG_Rocco]

I guess that the majority of the I.Q's in good old liberal Canada aren't that high either eh?[/b]

Ban, pls.

Ban? Why? because I defended myself against being called stupid?
Typical of any lib. If you don't agree with them, silence them, if you can't silence them then ban them.
Pathetic.

[The_OG_Rocco]

Wow so Rocco has been here 2 days and already shitting on people, usually it is nice to chill for a bit before you shit on the residents chest (ya know to find out if they like it or not first).

Wow, Its been two days and someone allready called me stupid because of my Conservative views. I guess that its okay for the 'senior residents' of this forum to shit on the newbys chest but if the newby throws that same shit back at ya it's inappropriate? Hypocritical don't you think?

[The_OG_Rocco]

Ignornce is bliss, I guess. Keep watching FOX and enjoying staying stupid.

Hey Warpe,
Remember this quote from YOU?
When you decided to stop acting civil and intelligent and lowered yourself to name calling because of my conservative viewpoints, then this is the result. "ARGUING!"
What a hypocrite you are.
Pathetic

[ProZachNation]

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB122090791901411709.html?mod=special_page_campaig n2008_leftbox

http://mediamatters.org/items/200809100009?f=i_latest

http://online.wsj.com/public/article...ign2008_topbox

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/staff/mar...ory/52169.html

http://mediamatters.org/items/200809090020

Ohhhh, Okay, so your 'source' are those Extremely Left Wing and ''Totally Biased'' Socialist folks over at 'Media Matters'.
Yeah, there's a real reliable source for ya!
I can tell that trying to reason with someone like you would be about the same as me trying to break through a brick wall with my friggin head.
I now know enough about you and your views to avoid getting into it any further.
P.S.
If you don't like my response, then don't open up a can of worms.
My momma always said, "Don't argue about politics or religion, because it will only end up in a fight and hard feelings." Do me a favor and please take my mommas advice okay? Thanks.

lol this was your 2nd post in this thread after you requested he post sources. Do not act like you are innocent. Lash out and then play the victim.

Ohhh and of course childish name calling is necessary since this is about politics so, Twat.

[a500lbgorilla]

OH THE SMEAR

[freechus9]

so i havent posted in like a month, but i wish to say that rocco, you're a wrong wrong douchebag.

[ProZachNation]

It really is not hard to talk about politics or religion.

You discuss it like you discuss science. You present your argument with sources, someones refutes your argument with their source you can then try to debunk their sources or counter argument. State things in a neutral but factual way, obviously slanting statements get you no where factual statements you can back up rock!

When people say stuff like
"trying to reason with someone like you would be about the same as me trying to break through a brick wall with my friggin head."
That is 1. condescending towards the person you are talking to. And 2. does not get you any further in proving your point.

or "Typical of any lib."
Yeah blanket statements like this prove nothing. Other than to upset people.

or "If you don't like my response, then don't open up a can of worms."
This is bullshit. This is a MESSAGE board...

"Most Liberals think that killing living unborn human babies is okay, Most Conservatives don't.
Most Liberals think that it's okay to weaken our Military, Most Conservatives don't.
Most Liberals think that the Government should tax the backs of the working citizens while giving out handouts to the lazy ones (The so called Underprivelaged) in society and Most Conservatives disagree. "
Three blanket statements that are stated in a negative and positive way. Bad form my friend.


And before you call me w/e liberal slur you want to. I do not associate myself with any party or conservative/liberal movement.
I am for killing unborn babies, pro welfare/helping the needy, pro military (anti stupid war though), anti-religion in politics, pro gay marriage, and pro limited federal government interference (let states decide).
As you can see I have a fair amount of liberal and conservative views.

[BennyLaRue]

Ban, pls.

Ban? Why? because I defended myself against being called stupid?

Because you'd rather insult (a whole country in this case) when someone doesn't agree with you than discuss points or reasoning. I'm all for arguments, there just has to be substance to them.

Warpe wanted you to enjoy staying stupid, implying that Fox News makes viewers so. Therefore this means all Canadians are liberal, and stupid as a result? That doesn't make Warpe right, but see the irrational and insulting jumps you made there?

ProZach's post is a good one. There are a ton of Conservatives here and for the most part, everybody is pretty respectful and reasonable. It doesn't have to get personal.

[Warpe]

The_OG_Rocco, I apologize for calling you stupid. Now let's end this stupidity.

[The_OG_Rocco]

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Ohhh and of course childish name calling is necessary since this is about politics so, Twat.

Ooookay twat.

[The_OG_Rocco]

so i havent posted in like a month, but i wish to say that rocco, you're a wrong wrong douchebag.

Oooookay douchebag junior.

[Jack Sawyer]

Thunder the Second?


or


Political Thunder?


<3 ya though Thunder

[The_OG_Rocco]

I am for killing unborn babies & pro welfare

Those two ideals right there are quite enough to tell me that you and I could probably never get along. People with your mindset are part of the overall problems, not solutions i.m.o.
There are plenty of people who cannot have children that would love to adopt those aborted/murdered babies if given the chance.
There are also way too many friggin freeloaders leeching off of the welfare system which needs a seriously major overhaul by the way.
"Work hard America, Millions of leeches on welfare are depending on you".

[The_OG_Rocco]

The_OG_Rocco, I apologize for calling you stupid. Now let's end this stupidity.

Apology accepted Sir, I also apologize to you for my harsh candor. I will try to be nicer into the future, if I recieve the same treatment, if not, then it's open season.
By the way, Great avatar pic.
The Big Lebowski is one of my all time favorites movies. I guess that we at least have something in common eh?

[pgil]

you realize that it isn't a baby when it is aborted, but really just a collection of cells. and do you realize the stress (both physical and emotional) that the mother has to endure to bring a child to term, and then to give it up. some could not handle this.

I know little of your welfare system, but it probably does need an overhaul, as do many. But there are some who are truly in need of assistance, and to deny them the help simply because there are those who are abusing the system doesn't seem like the solution.

I would also like to point out that outlawing abortion would most likely lead to a larger number of people on welfare as single teenage mothers would undoubtedly qualify for assistance, and there would most likely be more of them if abortions were again illegal and only available in unsanitary, unsafe places.

One more thing, an unnecessary and illegal war is more costly than the "millions of leeches on welfare".

[ProZachNation]

I am for killing unborn babies & pro welfare

Those two ideals right there are quite enough to tell me that you and I could never get along. People with your mindset are part of the overall problems, not solutions.

I dunno why we would not get along, I have got a long pretty well with a few people I know who have the opposite beliefs I do.
Also how am I part of the problem not the solution there you go again with your statements that make no sense, I mean you make a statement then you back it up, at least that is what I have learned in school.

There are plenty of people who cannot have children that would love those aborted/murdered babies if given the chance.

There are tens of thousands of kids in foster homes in America, and worldwide hundreds of thousands available for adoption. So that point is kind of invalid.

There are also way too many friggin freeloaders leeching off of the welfare system which needs a seriouslty major overhaul by the way.

hmmmmm this is were I always get confused... you do not want people to be able to go through abortion, but then if they do have a child and do not want to give it up for adoption they are on their own? that seems pretty dumb to me. So you cheer the women with 8 children for not having an abortion but then boo them when they apply for government help get real. Can't have your cake and eat it to.

Why are you anti abortion if you mind me asking? Religious reasons? because if it is a religious reason that is fine, I will not and do not have the right to argue with you about what your particular religion believe in. BUT BUT BUT if it is a religious reason that you do not believe in abortion then you just like me should not be able to tell someone not to have an abortion based on a religious reason. If it is a you think it is a shitty thing to do then agree to disagree? I mean I don't like people who have eyebrow piercings but I let it go as a difference on opinion ya know?

Back to the if it is a religious reason for believing abortion is wrong because I know for a lot of people it is, and that is understandable. But to tell everyone else they can no do something because of their religion is pretty big bullshit. Actually it is kinda extremist.

[wufwugy]

rocco is clearly an alter

[The_OG_Rocco]

you realize that it isn't a baby when it is aborted, but really just a collection of cells. and do you realize the stress (both physical and emotional) that the mother has to endure to bring a child to term, and then to give it up. some could not handle this.

Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong on abortion. I have an Aunt that worked for only one month in an abortion clinic in Southern california. She used to think the same way that you do until one day when she was instructed by the abortion 'doctor' to smother an unsuccesfully aborted 7 month old baby who was crying loudly. She couldn't do it. She was immediatly fired and blacklisted from the medical profession. She still has nightmares about that screaming little baby with his skull tore open and crying loudly for help. Abortion is murder, plain and simple. I am also guilty of it. I had my ex girlfriend get an abortion and deep down in my soul I regret it. I know that I will have to answer for it come judgement day. I am deeply ashamed and regretful.

I know little of your welfare system, but it probably does need an overhaul, as do many. But there are some who are truly in need of assistance,

I agree with this part of this statement.

I would also like to point out that outlawing abortion would most likely lead to a larger number of people on welfare as single teenage mothers would undoubtedly qualify for assistance, and there would most likely be more of them if abortions were again illegal and only available in unsanitary, unsafe places.

That's the problem isn't it. Kids having kids? There is something fundamentally wrong with so called 'sex ed' in schools and family values today. 75% of marraiges fail because most everyone is being selfish and only thinking of themselves and not their kids anymore. We have removed the Ten Commandments from Government buildings, we have banned prayer in schools and we will soon remove 'God' from the pledge of allegiance. And people want to know why our society is getting worse and not better. Things will just continue to get worse because the overall moral fabric of society as a whole is steadily decreasing as a result of all of the above. We have told our children in schools that they evolved from apes, then we wonder why they act like apes when they grow into teenagers. What did you expect folks?!?

One more thing, an unnecessary and illegal war is more costly than the "millions of leeches on welfare".

**Please see my above responses in bold to each previous point that you made.**

I also have to disagree with you on at least one point that you made about this unfortunate War.
How is this war 'Illegal' ? Didn't Congress unanimously approve this War? Weren't we attacked on September 11th without provocation?!? Thousands of innocent working Civilians were murdered and killed by these terrorist scumbags! What should we have done? Have a meeting with them?

[jdubs]

[quote=The_OG_Rocco]

Weren't we attacked on September 11th without provocation?!? [/b]Thousands of innocent working Civilians were murdered and killed by these terrorist scumbags! What should we have done? Have a meeting with them?

Not By Iraq buddy.

[ProZachNation]

Can you respond to my post please thanks.

That's the problem isn't it. Kids having kids? There is something fundamentally wrong with so called 'sex ed' in schools and family values today. 75% of marraiges fail because most everyone is being selfish and only thinking of themselves and not their kids anymore. We have removed the Ten Commandments from Government buildings, we have banned prayer in schools and we will soon remove 'God' from the pledge of allegiance. And people want to know why our society is getting worse and not better. Things will just continue to get worse because the overall moral fabric of society as a whole is steadily decreasing as a result of all of the above. We have told our children in schools that they evolved from apes, then we wonder why they act like apes when they grow into teenagers. What did you expect folks?!? [/b]

Ohhh fucking CHRIST get fucking religion away from America, HOLY shit.
"Several of the original Thirteen Colonies were established by English settlers who wished to practice their own religion without discrimination: Pennsylvania was established by Quakers, Maryland by Roman Catholics and the Massachusetts Bay Colony by Puritans. Nine of the thirteen colonies had official public religions. Yet by the time of the Philadelphia Convention of 1787, the United States became one of the first countries in the world to enact freedom of religion by way of a separation of church and state. Modeling the provisions concerning religion within the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, the framers of the United States Constitution rejected any religious test for office, and the First Amendment specifically denied the central government any power to enact any law respecting either an establishment of religion, or prohibiting its free exercise."

America happened to get away from religious persecution!

Sex Ed should be taught and not just fucking retard "do not have sex" sex ed, fucking put a rubber on a banana and show em how it is done.

Yeah sorry to tell you but evolution did happen. Sorry...

Dude you are hilarious though. I really do hope you are someone as an alt just trolling because if you are a real person you are too funny.

[vqc]

Wow so Rocco has been here 2 days and already shitting on people, usually it is nice to chill for a bit before you shit on the residents chest (ya know to find out if they like it or not first).

Wow, Its been two days and someone allready called me stupid because of my Conservative views. I guess that its okay for the 'senior residents' of this forum to shit on the newbys chest but if the newby throws that same shit back at ya it's inappropriate? Hypocritical don't you think?

No one said this was a democracy.

[gabe]

Holy crap guys, this was a joke! I didn't read the whole thread yet, but I will get around to it.

That piece has ZERO smearing.

sorry bro just went way over my head! hard to spot with all the liberals spewing everywhere on the internet!

[Bmxicle]

Rocco is the best gimmick ever imo.

[Sprayed]

Rocco is a dingle berry. By the way, we went to war against Iraq due to being told by the Bush admin. that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Did we ever find them? It had nothing to do with terrorism at the time. In fact, Saddam didn't get along with Al Qaeda.

[The_OG_Rocco]

Ohhh fucking CHRIST get fucking religion away from America, HOLY shit.
"Several of the original Thirteen Colonies were established by English settlers who wished to practice their own religion without discrimination: Pennsylvania was established by Quakers, Maryland by Roman Catholics and the Massachusetts Bay Colony by Puritans. Nine of the thirteen colonies had official public religions. Yet by the time of the Philadelphia Convention of 1787, the United States became one of the first countries in the world to enact freedom of religion by way of a separation of church and state. Modeling the provisions concerning religion within the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, the framers of the United States Constitution rejected any religious test for office, and the First Amendment specifically denied the central government any power to enact any law respecting either an establishment of religion, or prohibiting its free exercise."

America happened to get away from religious persecution!

Sex Ed should be taught and not just fucking retard "do not have sex" sex ed, fucking put a rubber on a banana and show em how it is done.

Yeah sorry to tell you but evolution did happen. Sorry...

Dude you are hilarious though. I really do hope you are someone as an alt just trolling because if you are a real person you are too funny.

Freedom of religion and freedom FROM religion are two different things. Also, sex ed aint doing anyone any good now is it? If you think that it is, then I guess that you are perfectly okay with your 15 year old having pre marital sex eh? No wonder there are so many fkng infanticides going on, because of irresponsible parents with your fkng attitude of '' Oh, it's okay kids, have sex, heres a condom''.
Evolution DID HAPPEN? LMAO!! No wonder kids today behave like wild apes, because the world keeps telling them that they EVOLVED from monkeys instead if having been created by a Creator who loves them.
What a joke YOU and people with YOUR athiestic beliefs are!
LMAO.
Also, Evolution is a fkng farce and you should know it. If evolution is true, then why havent all the fkng monkeys in the zoos evolved into humans yet?
America has gotten away from religious persecution?!? R U FKNG KIDDING ME?!? I see persecution against Christianity on the television every fkng day. I hear leftist scumbags attacking Christians every fkng day on the internet too. So to hell with your views which are biased at best.
I am funny? Funny how mthr hugger? Funny haha?? Well you are funny too, funny like a 2 dollar bill. What a wanker.

[The_OG_Rocco]

Wow so Rocco has been here 2 days and already shitting on people, usually it is nice to chill for a bit before you shit on the residents chest (ya know to find out if they like it or not first).

Wow, Its been two days and someone allready called me stupid because of my Conservative views. I guess that its okay for the 'senior residents' of this forum to shit on the newbys chest but if the newby throws that same shit back at ya it's inappropriate? Hypocritical don't you think?

No one said this was a democracy.

No shit. I guess that's why the leftists are allready screaming for me to be banned. Because it seems that most leftists don't believe in freedom of speech if that speech disagrees with their own views. Friggin hypocrites.

[The_OG_Rocco]

Rocco is the best gimmick ever imo.

And what the hell is that supposed to mean?

[The_OG_Rocco]

Rocco is a dingle berry. By the way, we went to war against Iraq due to being told by the Bush admin. that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Did we ever find them? It had nothing to do with terrorism at the time. In fact, Saddam didn't get along with Al Qaeda.

"Rocco's a dingle berry", "Rocco's a douche", "Rocco's a troll", blah blah blah.
Funny how all you 'mature' Liberals like to resort to name calling when someone rubs you the wrong way by disagreeing with your narrow and slanted views of the world.
I suspect that the only way that you libs can win any argument is to gang up on your victims and then attack from all directions eh? Pretty cowardly if you ask me.
Is there a 'Forum Posse' here? Sure seems like it. Maybe I better get on my trusty steed and make a run for them yonder hills before the 'Forum Posse' can string me up by my bootstraps.

[BennyLaRue]

No shit. I guess that's why the leftists are allready screaming for me to be banned. Because it seems that most leftists don't believe in freedom of speech if that speech disagrees with their own views. Friggin hypocrites.

[The_OG_Rocco]

No shit. I guess that's why the leftists are allready screaming for me to be banned. Because it seems that most leftists don't believe in freedom of speech if that speech disagrees with their own views. Friggin hypocrites.

I don't have to jump to any conclusion about people like you. You are clearly a leftist.
Your sexist and insulting doctored up avatar pic of Governor Palin in that red bikini removing her top is no better than the other ones that I have seen here on this site or other leftist sites like the Daily Kos.
How hypocritical you leftists are when it comes to talking about womens rights and sexism. I guess that it only counts when it comes to another leftist female politician being discriminated against eh?
But when any Conservative Female Politician like Palin is in the mix, suddenly it's open fkng season and you leftist hypocrites start posting sexist threads, and pics about her.
What a fkng joke. LMAO!

[BennyLaRue]

Rocco, you are not listening to your Mommy.

I'm actually surprised you recognized Palin. I did a terrible job on the Photoshopping.

[The_OG_Rocco]

Rocco, you are not listening to your Mommy.

I'm actually surprised you recognized Palin. I did a terrible job on the Photoshopping.

You are right. I should let this argument die right here and now. I am done ranting, sorry.
Yes, I recognized your Palin photo immediatly. You actually did a pretty decent job on it, even though I disagree with it.
Anyhow, I'm going to avoid ranting anymore on this. Again, I apologize if I offended anyone, but it just irritates me to no end when people bloviate their left side, it tends to make me bloviate my right side.

[will641]

"Also, Evolution is a fkng farce and you should know it. If evolution is true, then why havent all the fkng monkeys in the zoos evolved into humans yet? "

^^^ this is a joke right?

[will641]

also about abortion, we need to kill all the babies we can, because otherwise jyms can't eat.