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Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
So, you telling me I should play the game the way you want me to, and if I don't I'm a dick?
The game is clearly meant for a social, collaborative audience. If you choose not to participate in that way, then it's not outrageous for you to expect a diminished gaming experience.
A very easy way to stop this exploit would be to DISPLAY THE CORRECT EARNING VALUES ON THE FUCKING SCREEN.
If it did that...it would have to provide a complex explanation about diminishing xp returns. Instead, they chose to just bury that info and trusted that most people will opt to play the game in a way that will be completely unaffected by the throttling. Is that the greatest thing ever? No. Would it have been better if they didn't do it. Maybe. But in the grand scheme of things, I can forgive this relatively minor thing. If you feel differently, because you're an ass-hole with a hair-trigger boycott button....you're entitled to that opinion.
And then they increased the prices on everything. Hmmmm, so it only affected those who "played like assholes"? What about the others, who will be affected by the raised prices?
No one complained about the pace of play or frequency of rewards. So when the throttling was removed, they re-balanced the game to maintain the same, or similar pace of play and frequency of rewards. I have ZERO problems with this.
By your own logic, does this not affect everybody, as the fix does affect everybody and not just who "attempted to maximize their personal gains, while minimizing game play"?
Fine, but if we're gonna play that game, then the XP throttling was affecting everybody too. But if we're gonna look at it that way, then for most people, the effect was beneficial. they gained XP faster than the dick-heads. So when the beneficial throttling was removed, they increased the XP total to compensate. Again, this just represents a re-balancing of the game to keep it at a pace and frequency that everyone seems to already enjoy.
Paywalls, grindwalls, those are things Banana
SOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTT?????????????
If playing the game is fun, then grinding shouldn't be a problem. If playing the game is not fun...then why do you want the reward on the other side of the grindwall?? Just turn it off and play something else!!
BTW - go play Final Fantasy 1 for the original NES (not some later port of the game). Then come back and bitch at me about grindwalls. Back in my day we would grind for months....in 18 inches of snow.....with no shoes....uphill both ways!
Why put it in the game if you don't want me to play it? I assume that I can play any game I bought any way I please. Or do I have to play it the way you want/woudl like me to, Banana?
Again, play the game any way you like. However, I really don't have a problem if the game chooses to provide diminishing rewards for repetitive actions.
Are you still comparing brake fluid and pumpkin? Wasn't it you who said we had a governmental regulatory body that handled this shit?
The brake fluid salesman, and the pumpkin farmer are BOTH lying to you. So why only boycott one of them?
The first one with an outright lie of a game mechanic that got caught, yes
False. Google "Nintendo Power Glove Commercial". Unfortunately we didn't have face book back then for people to share their disappointment at the fact that they couldn't swing their arm in their living room, and have it translate into Little Mac throwing an uppercut into Mike Tyson's chicklets. But I assure you.....people were plenty pissed.
What exactly is your argument, Banana?
I wanna know WHO, specifically, you're defending? Whom did Bungie victimize? Who has actually incurred damages as a result of this deception?
So customer friendly they have to apologize, backtrack and face the music for it
Meh, typical public-relations firefighting. Nothing in that statement is really compelling. And I'll reiterate, I believe that there is actually a 50/50 chance that Bungie set this up....outcry and all....ON PURPOSE. I mean, go back and look at your buddy Jimquisition's video.....85% of it is stunning screenshots and cinematics from the game. It's practically an 8 minute advertisement for Bungie!!!!
Any fair-minded person will look at that story and say "huh, that sounds like a minor offense, and it's already fixed. Furthermore, seems like folks in that community are paying attention, so it's unlikely there will be any further shenanigans." I can't believe that there is any materially significant population of people out there who were very interested in buying Destiny 2 and now are totally turned off. If anything there are more people who were NOT very interested in buying Destiny 2, who are now considering it.
But still, life ≠ a poker game despite what you may have been led to believe. Does being a poker player I have to not employ any kind of morals for any decision in my life?
You missed the point. Online poker got murdered on Black Friday all because some super-conservative dick holes thought it was too easy for little kids to gamble. Too many horror stories of kids blowing mom's credit card on poker stars.
I've actually seen episodes of sitcoms about it. So don't tell me that the online poker horror stories aren't "too common"
I can't say for certain, but I'm sure if I dig deeply enough into your posting history, I'll find a quote of you denouncing the US Government's actions to shut down online poker. Maybe there isn't because you don't live in the US. But even so, the diminished player pool most definitely affected you. And I'm sure it's not affecting you in a way that you're happy about.
So when they took away something in order to keep it from kids....you were unhappy.
Now you WANT them to take something away, in order to keep it from kids.
See the hypocrisy? The only difference between the two opinions is whether or not you happen to like the thing being taken away.
Ugh. Your "lost" revenue streams included cables and EGM somehow. Cables could only at most benefit first parties, but it was all standard, meaning you could buy cables branded RCA or whatever and these would function fine. You were not locked in in anyway. Just curious: how many Activision/EA/Ubisoft branded HDMI cables have you seen around?
OMFG, I explained this to you. You can go to a movie theater and buy popcorn. The cost, revenue, and profit of that popcorn is kept entirely by the cinema. But at the same time.....the exorbitant price is there to benefit the movie studio, even though they never see a dime of the popcorn money.
Don't quote me another video about the $60 myth. Because it has nothing to do with what I'm saying here. Pay attention.....gamers have resisted....if not outright refused....to pay more than $60 per game. That means the revenue per game is FIXED at $60 per game. (nevermind the add ons, lootboxes and dlc shit. Just keep the model simple for this illustration)
Still paying attention? There is a finite revenue stream of $60 per game. Virtually ALL of that money goes to the game developers, not the stores. The only way the stores stay in business, is to sell you grossly marked-up popcorn in the form of cables, controllers, and other shit. If the add-ons were priced reasonably, with a fair profit attached, then the store wouldn't be able to stay in business. They would need additional revenue, which means they would have to take a cut of the game sales. The only way for that to happen is for either A) the game makers to give up some of their profits, or B) you the consumer to pay more. And we've already stated how the consumer flat out refuses to pay more.
So....now do you see....how when you buy accessories....you're helping to pad the profit margins of game developers? If you didn't buy those accessories to keep the stores in business, then the developers would have to start paying to keep the stores in business.
If you dont' get this.....then re-enroll in the 9th grade.
Also, saying EGM was a benefiting the games industry was akin to Top Gear being a part of Mercedes Benz somehow.
Go to the movies. Buy some M&M's And think abotu how the benefits Warner Brothers. I promise you the answer is there.
Do you not believe they should fix bugs in a game? Have you only ever played glitch and bug-free games?
Castlevania II
You increase the grind for something you can instead buy immediately for money. 1+1=2 banana. Or is that too difficult for you? Why didn't they instead lower the grind for it, or just leave it as is? Why did they err, and this the collective "them" will always do, is err in the side of "more grind"?
I think you have to accept that some users are willing to pay for extras. And those people are entitled to an enhanced experience. If all they are doing is getting immediate gratification for something that's easy to do anyway....it diminishes the incentive to buy. I don't see why you would expect them to do that.
I can see why maybe you have a beef if they are increasing the incentive to buy. But you know...you can always just think with your adult brain and make a conscious choice about how to spend your money. I find it hard to believe that a video game is actually capable of "squeezing" you. If you really feel that you're that vulnerable....maybe you should ask your mommy to lock up your credit cards for you.
The dude, in the video you apparently did watch, was 13 years old when he started his spending spree. I wonder how he did this? As in, I'm genuinely curious. He even got a job and spent it all on this shit. Oh, to be young again
Where were his parents? And if he earned the money at a job....what the fuck do you care what he does with it?
Then I play with my limited investment and then I back the fuck off. Why the underhanded tactics to squeeze more money from me?
Why is a video game able to manipulate you so easily? And who said it's underhanded? It seems to me that the DLC-lockout problem that we've discussed here actually affected NO ONE. All they did was fray the edges of the main game in order to seamlessly integrate the DLC. That makes tons of sense!! The DLC contains higher levels, more stuff, a new campaign, and a fuckton of other shit for fans of the game.
There is ALOT more to the DLC than just re-accessing that lost prestige-level replay. So citing this 'lockout' as the only reason someone would buy the DLC is just......it's intellectually lazy Jack. You really should be smarter than this.
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