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    Thumbs down BetOnline dealer cheats during live blackjack (xpost from News)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1EiWvN11nU&t=3m48s

    Video is long and annoying, but is clearly shown at 3:48. The dealer slides the top card up and takes the second card so the player loses.

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    I don't get it. This PC doesn't have speakers, so I'm probably missing something watching the video without audio.

    It looks to me like the player has a Jack, a Deuce, and a nine. Why is he getting another card at all?

    And how would the dealer know which card is on top, and which card is second? Do they not shuffle on camera?
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    I thought that and watched it again. You need to watch the beginning of the hand... he has 22 and splits them, the jack is the top card of the bust pile. He has a bust 25, and a 2, then 9, then 6, giving him 17. He should've got the 8 and hit 19 vs dealer's 16.
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    Fucking rat, but for what incentive would he do that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I thought that and watched it again. You need to watch the beginning of the hand... he has 22 and splits them, the jack is the top card of the bust pile. He has a bust 25, and a 2, then 9, then 6, giving him 17. He should've got the 8 and hit 19 vs dealer's 16.
    Thanks, that makes sense. Now how did the dealer know the top card was an 8 and the second card was a 6?
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    And how would the dealer know which card is on top, and which card is second? Do they not shuffle on camera?
    One way or another, it's a rigged deck. Maybe it's not been shuffled, though I imagine they would shuffle it live to give the impression of integrity. The cards could be marked, or even micropchipped.

    Just before he draws the card, he glances over to his right. He also seems to look above the camera at times, like there could be a monitor there. He could be getting instructions from a third party. He does a thing with his fingers just before drawing, this could be a cue to the cameraman to do some camera magic (which failed to happen).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Fucking rat, but for what incentive would he do that?
    Obviously it gives the house a greater edge, meaning more profit. Incentive is clear.

    By switching the cards, he saved the house having to pay a winning bet. That's where his commission will be.
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    The cards are chipped. They scan every card as they're dealt, probably for tracking/hand history. But if they also know what they are before they're scanned, which seems likely since the dealer swaps the cards, then the entire integrity of the game is ruined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
    Fucking rat, but for what incentive would he do that?
    No one knows. But it would be fair to assume he was instructed somehow by the site to save some bets. Who knows how often it was done before. I'm willing to bet now that it's come out while being recorded, people will go through past games and see if it's been done before.

    The more pressing question I have is how and why he knew what the next cards were?
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    Unless you can find a second incident I'd say it's more likely that this was involuntary. The house really does not need an extra edge in blackjack, however I would not put it past them to try something like that because I know first hand how shockingly ignorant casino operators can be when it comes to the math that makes them money.
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    How come the dealer only has one hole card?

    The wording on the felt talks about insurance, but how could you ever have insurance if the dealer doesn't have a second card?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Unless you can find a second incident I'd say it's more likely that this was involuntary. The house really does not need an extra edge in blackjack, however I would not put it past them to try something like that because I know first hand how shockingly ignorant casino operators can be when it comes to the math that makes them money.
    ya seems like such an odd time to do it, considering the bets weren't very high. waiting to see if more incidents come out due to this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    How come the dealer only has one hole card?

    The wording on the felt talks about insurance, but how could you ever have insurance if the dealer doesn't have a second card?
    Sorry if I'm being a nag, but I'm really curious about this.

    Anyone?
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    I have no idea in that regard. House rule I assume. I don't play blackjack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    This type of thing is why it needs to be regulated.
    Not sure I agree. I doubt it stops this from happening, and it doesn't provide any more ammunition for the authorities to punsish cheats. This is fraudulent behaviour... it's criminal, and this dealer (and the site) can be prosecuted. I doubt they even need to be physically in USA, so long as they provide a service to Americans. I'm sure I can be extradited to America if I commit fraud in the UK in which I steal money off Americans. betonline is based in Panama... USA and Panama have a bilateral extradition treaty.

    Criminal law is all that is necessary to deal with these kind of people. The free market can also punish frauds... this should be the end of betonline. I anticipate this problem being resolved under the current legal framework.

    Regulations will make it harder for these companies to operate, meaning less competition, and less value for the consumer. I think, anyway. Maybe that's just wufonomics getting to me though.
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    From what I've heard, still haven't come across an official statement, but BetOnline, and other online sites, hire a third party to handle the live dealing. Since this incident came to light, they've stopped working with this company and hired a new one.
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    Well the question would be, if this dealer doesn't represent betonline directly, then why does he cheat? How does that dealer benefit from this?
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    no idea.

    apparently, this is a statement they made:

    BetOnline.ag has been notified of an instance of potentially questionable behavior by a black jack dealer from its previous Live Dealer Casino Provider on the date of January 25th, 2017. The Company removed the previous Provider’s Casino and replaced it with the much improved Visionary iGaming Live Dealer product on February 18th 2017.

    BetOnline.ag is currently looking into the issue with help and careful cooperation from the previous Live Dealer provider. BetOnline.ag asks that anyone who feels they may have been affected by this dealer’s actions to contact them by email at Casino@BetOnline.ag.
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    This type of thing is why it needs to be regulated.
    Now pull up.

    Being cheated and cheating them in turn is all apart of the free gambling world.
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