Yup. Infinity is a funny idea, but it's just an idea. 1 monkey's work in infinity is essentially 0 monkey's work.
05-23-2016 06:54 PM
#976
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Yup. Infinity is a funny idea, but it's just an idea. 1 monkey's work in infinity is essentially 0 monkey's work. | |
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05-23-2016 07:29 PM
#977
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Infinity only exists in theory. Like circles. Circles only exist in theory. Show me a perfect circle. | |
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05-24-2016 01:14 PM
#978
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Ever used a compass? That's just one of the simple ways to make a perfect circle. | |
05-24-2016 01:40 PM
#979
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05-24-2016 01:43 PM
#980
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Best I can come up with is a wave propagating through a vacuum, but of course there's no such thing as a perfect vacuum, which means the medium the wave is propagating through is not perfectly uniform. Furthermore, gravity will influence the wave's propagation, meaning that not only do you need a uniform medium, you need uniform gravity from every direction. | |
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05-24-2016 01:44 PM
#981
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I think making a perfect circle is exactly as difficult as precisely calculating pi. | |
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05-24-2016 01:53 PM
#982
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I'll accept a perfect sphere as proof, by the way. A perfect sphere will be capable of projecting a perfect circle... that is, if it were viewed from above, its outline would be a perfect circle. So a perfect sphere is good. | |
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05-24-2016 01:59 PM
#983
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The definition of a circle is "a round plane figure whose boundary (the circumference) consists of points equidistant from a fixed point (the center)". So a "perfect circle" depends on your desired precision. If I need a circle down to the millimeter level, I'm not going to care if it's a few nanometers off. | |
05-24-2016 02:02 PM
#984
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05-24-2016 02:13 PM
#985
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Ok write down pi in decimal form, that's how hard it is to draw a perfect circle. | |
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05-24-2016 02:18 PM
#986
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05-24-2016 02:56 PM
#987
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In your definition, you have defined "perfect" as an unphysical property, so no, I can't prove you wrong. | |
05-24-2016 02:58 PM
#988
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This is an nteresting read... | |
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05-24-2016 03:01 PM
#989
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05-24-2016 03:35 PM
#990
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05-24-2016 03:59 PM
#991
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pfft I googled it in shock that anyone would be so absurd to suggest a circle is not a polygon, and it fucking well isn't because a polygon has straight edges, apparently. | |
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05-24-2016 04:24 PM
#992
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Lol. | |
05-24-2016 05:58 PM
#993
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I agree that circles are infinity sided polygons and I don't much care if the words miss the meaning. | |
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05-24-2016 06:16 PM
#994
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Maybe sinusoidal waves like light are a kind of perfect circle. | |
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05-24-2016 06:41 PM
#995
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Well, you're ignoring that those series are infinite, and that the infinite series do, indeed, equal what they claim to equal. | |
05-24-2016 06:42 PM
#996
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(Mathematical) Series are not things. They live in a space where the rules allow for infinite steps. | |
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05-24-2016 06:44 PM
#997
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05-24-2016 06:44 PM
#998
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05-24-2016 06:46 PM
#999
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05-24-2016 06:51 PM
#1000
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Zeno's paradox shows that we do indeed live in a similar space. | |
Last edited by MadMojoMonkey; 05-24-2016 at 06:54 PM. | |
05-24-2016 06:54 PM
#1001
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Zeno's paradox shows that we very much don't. Draw any finish line and watch me cross it. | |
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05-24-2016 06:56 PM
#1002
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05-24-2016 07:00 PM
#1003
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How can you claim to live in a paradoxical world? | |
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05-24-2016 07:05 PM
#1004
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05-24-2016 07:06 PM
#1005
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05-24-2016 07:07 PM
#1006
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05-24-2016 07:08 PM
#1007
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Seems easy enough. I could take those words you just used and slightly rearrange them, throwing in some personal pronouns. | |
05-24-2016 07:10 PM
#1008
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05-24-2016 07:17 PM
#1009
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05-24-2016 07:18 PM
#1010
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05-24-2016 07:20 PM
#1011
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05-24-2016 07:24 PM
#1012
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Let me put it another way. | |
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05-24-2016 07:25 PM
#1013
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05-24-2016 07:26 PM
#1014
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05-24-2016 07:29 PM
#1015
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The singularity is pretty well defined, as far as I'm aware. It's a region of mass with zero volume in space. If it has volume, it ceases to be a singularity. And if it has no mass, then it has zero density, not infinity. | |
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05-24-2016 07:32 PM
#1016
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05-24-2016 07:33 PM
#1017
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I'm not sure I follow you here. | |
05-24-2016 07:37 PM
#1018
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05-24-2016 07:39 PM
#1019
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05-24-2016 07:39 PM
#1020
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05-24-2016 07:40 PM
#1021
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So tell me what a singularity is. | |
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05-24-2016 07:40 PM
#1022
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05-24-2016 07:41 PM
#1023
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05-24-2016 07:43 PM
#1024
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There's no reason to believe that because you understand everything you understand, that you therefore understand everything. | |
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05-24-2016 07:47 PM
#1025
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The mathematical notion of a singularity or "pole" is well understood. | |
05-24-2016 07:49 PM
#1026
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Ok let's invent a word. | |
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05-24-2016 07:50 PM
#1027
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05-24-2016 07:52 PM
#1028
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05-24-2016 07:52 PM
#1029
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As far as I'm concerned, this is a discussion about whether or not the singularity exists, not whether or not it can be defined. I feel like rilla is muddying the waters with philosophy. | |
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05-24-2016 07:56 PM
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05-24-2016 07:57 PM
#1031
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05-24-2016 07:58 PM
#1032
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And I already said they exist they're just, right now, outside of reason! | |
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05-24-2016 07:59 PM
#1033
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I'm sure infinity must exist in a black hole simply because light can't escape. | |
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05-24-2016 08:00 PM
#1034
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05-24-2016 08:02 PM
#1035
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You won't escape Earth. Is Earth's grip on you infinite or simply over some threshold/limit? | |
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05-24-2016 08:04 PM
#1036
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05-24-2016 08:05 PM
#1037
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05-24-2016 08:08 PM
#1038
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When a particle encounters a boundary, it has a probability of "quantum tunneling" through said barrier. The solution to the wave function describing the particle experiences exponential decrease in the "forbidden" region which is the barrier. | |
Last edited by MadMojoMonkey; 05-25-2016 at 02:05 PM. | |
05-24-2016 08:09 PM
#1039
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I guess I don't demand a full understanding of a concept in order for me to accept it as fact. | |
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05-24-2016 08:10 PM
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05-24-2016 08:11 PM
#1041
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05-24-2016 08:11 PM
#1042
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05-24-2016 08:13 PM
#1043
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05-24-2016 08:16 PM
#1044
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05-24-2016 08:17 PM
#1045
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05-24-2016 08:20 PM
#1046
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Well, if you accept that 1 means 1, then you also accept that + is worth exploring, then math. | |
05-24-2016 08:21 PM
#1047
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I feel like this is the difference between physics and philosophy... | |
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05-24-2016 08:21 PM
#1048
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Yes, I agree that math is worth exploring. | |
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05-24-2016 08:22 PM
#1049
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05-24-2016 08:35 PM
#1050
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It's hugely important to physics that there are highly trained physicists who ponder the philosophical completeness of what they understand. | |