Thoughts?
01-19-2015 11:27 AM
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All forms of discrimination should be legal (MLK day econ thread yo)
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01-19-2015 11:48 AM
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I disagreed until I saw economists discuss the mechanisms by which regulations against racism perpetuate racism and how the markets subvert racism. It's counter-intuitive, but that's how macroeconomics is |
01-19-2015 01:27 PM
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I don't believe that's necessarily true. Surely an alternate outcome could simply be a very divided society where hatred and bigotry goes unchecked and creates such a then and us society that war would be very likely. | |
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01-19-2015 01:46 PM
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That outcome would be divergent from demonstrated reality though. We have loads of real life examples of ways in which anti-discrimination policy perpetuates racism and discrimination, and ways in which these problems work themselves out in the absence of law enforcement. | |
Last edited by Renton; 01-19-2015 at 01:50 PM. | |
01-19-2015 01:51 PM
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That assumes a mixed group to start with. If you already have a clear geographical divide then that economic incentive doesn't exist. | |
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01-19-2015 02:01 PM
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And doesn't the current system work reasonably well in mixed areas? I don't know that's true. But I assume life is easier for a black guy in New York now than it was 50 yrs ago. | |
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01-19-2015 02:28 PM
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It's much easier, but it is for everybody as well. |
01-19-2015 08:56 PM
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Proximity + diversity = conflict. | |
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01-22-2015 03:29 PM
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01-22-2015 07:33 PM
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I suspect that when a state has complete control of all things, if it doesn't make racism/xenophobia illegal, those may play a big role in how the society is organized |
01-22-2015 08:26 PM
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Discrimination is just a negatively-connoted version of the word "choice." It's completely subject to the individual. People should be able to choose to do and not do whatever they want, so long as they aren't hurting anyone. A law against sexual or racial discrimination, whether it applies to employee hiring or customer service, is problematic for a few basic reasons. | |
01-22-2015 10:48 PM
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Wowowowow, hold your horses. | |
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01-22-2015 11:02 PM
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Of course I don't think we should go back to that era, I'm just saying a law was unnecessary. If someone wants to have a white-only toilet in their privately-owned business, I think that they should be allowed to do that. There shouldn't be a law against being a cunt, otherwise there would be (and in fact are) way too many laws. Voluntary society already does plenty to dissuade people from conducting their businesses in cunty, unprofitable, and discriminatory manners such as this. There is no way that a restaurant with a white-only toilet would survive in a modern economy. And where one would happen to survive, it would have great difficulty because of massive public shaming campaigns and boycotts on behalf of black people. | |
Last edited by Renton; 01-22-2015 at 11:05 PM. | |
01-22-2015 11:12 PM
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let racists be racists so we can all punish their racism |
01-22-2015 11:16 PM
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If it weren't obvious from my previous posts in this thread, I should add that civil rights legislation was likely necessary in America, but ONLY because of the fact that the government meddles unnecessarily in so many aspects of the economy. For example, since the vast majority of children go to government schools, it is necessary to legislate desegregation of those schools. But this is like saying you needed to take penicillin for your appendicitis, when the real underlying cause was your defective organ. You take the medicine again and again and keep getting sick. | |
01-22-2015 11:20 PM
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^definitely |
01-23-2015 04:08 AM
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I understand the stance you're taking, but I don't believe for a second that racism would have reduced at the rate it has without government intervention. You seem to forget that things like forcing schools to not segregate has a massive effect on the kids in those schools and the generations that follow in terms of realising stereotypes based on colour have very little to do with reality. If you start in an extremely polarized position it takes something big and bold to give alternative perspectives a chance to gain some momentum. | |
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01-23-2015 05:03 AM
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01-23-2015 08:40 PM
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one of your overall points is accurate. it's basically that for something to grow, it needs nurturing. which is true |
01-24-2015 07:00 AM
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I don't think you can do away with it outright but it has definitely overshot its purpose and is causing more problems than it is solving. It's a complicated matter because people do behave differently and are perceived differently because of that. | |
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01-24-2015 09:52 AM
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From Renton's post a few up: | |
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01-24-2015 11:13 AM
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The only thing that is hurtful to people is aggression. Aggression in the name of racism can be hurtful, but laws against discrimination do not effectively curb this. | |
Last edited by Renton; 01-24-2015 at 02:42 PM. | |
01-24-2015 02:38 PM
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From Renton: | |
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01-24-2015 08:02 PM
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Yeah the more I read some peoples posts on here the more I completely agree that people should be able to do what they want as long as they don't physically harm anyone else and I mean directly not through indirect ways. I do however disagree that previous posts such as that company getting destroyed for being dicks to pizza men is a bad thing and should be gotten rid of that is the public wrath deciding completely irrationally what should and shouldn't be allowed, which is absolutely no different to the public acting on mass outrage to absolutely any public issue regardless of how wrong or right we later decide we were as a community to act that way. |
Last edited by Savy; 01-24-2015 at 08:08 PM. | |
01-25-2015 12:02 AM
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Aggression is pretty clear cut. | |