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  1. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I just counter that they are being dicks in doing so, and agree with Trump that it is potentially a disciplinary matter.
    Racist!!

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    For the record, I would just like to remind everyone I am not a racist, I am in fact a xenophobe.
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  3. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    For the record, I would just like to remind everyone I am not a racist, I am in fact a xenophobe.
    Kinda the same thing in 2017
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Kinda the same thing in 2017
    Yeah just like anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are the same in 2017.

    I mean Miko Peled is an anti-Semite these days. No, I hadn't heard of him either until recently. A Jewish American born in Jerusalem whose father was a general who fought two Israeli wars and whose grandfather signed the Israeli Declaration of Independance.

    He's an anti-Semite because he dared to suggest that Holocaust denial is a valid subject of discussion.

    We live in a world where Jews can be anti-Semites for expressing an opinion about free speech.

    Fuck 2017.
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  5. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by CoccoBill View Post
    Everything would be so much easier if all kinds of protesting were made illegal.
    virtually nobody who is upset about the kneeling thinks that. those upset about the kneeling tend to favor the right to protest the most too.

    in a free country -- and in this case a free market regarding transactions between nfl producers and consumers -- people need the right to protest (like by kneeling during an anthem), and other people need the right to protest that protest (like no longer purchasing the product by those kneeling to the anthem).
  6. #81
    i thought it was clear that kaepernick had one of the worst seasons of any quarterback before nobody picked him back up. i dont follow it much anymore
  7. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    i thought it was clear that kaepernick had one of the worst seasons of any quarterback before nobody picked him back up. i dont follow it much anymore
    Not even close. He played in 12 games in 2016 and had a passer rating of 90.7. That puts him 26th among all quarterbacks that year (there are 32 total teams). Also, that ranking is kinda bogus. #3 on the list is Chase Daniel who only threw one pass all year. It was a completion, so his QB rating is really high because his completion percentage is 100%. If I throw out all the QB's who started less than half the season in 2016, then Kaepernick ranks somewhere in the high-teens. Very much middle-of-the-road.

    So if each team has carries 2 or 3 quarterbacks, then there are probably 70-90 in the whole league, and Kaepernick ranks in the top 20. It really shouldn't be in doubt whether or not he's good enough to play. He clearly has the ability to be average.

    But if you're average, it means there are a ton of other guys out there just like you. Any other QB is more or less just as good as you are. So if a team can get an average QB without all the activism and nonsense, they will. And they should. But when other activists parse the narrative to their liking, all the public hears is "QB jobless cuz of activism". And the response is "but free speech tho!"

    Kaepernick seems to think he deserves a job because he's just as good as anyone else out there. But because of the headaches that he brings (which he created himself) he now has to demonstrate some kind of advanced talent. He has to make his value worth the additional headaches. And he hasn't done that. So when an NFL owner has to choose between Kaepernick and the noise he brings, or some other forgettable average knucklehead who can deliver the same on-field performance, then they choose the average knucklehead. So CK remains unemployed.

    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    i dont follow it much anymore
    I thought we were the same person! What have I been watching!!??
  8. #83
    Now the owners are realizing there's value in preventing the fallout from leaving a quarterback jobless in a way that can easily be, and will be read as punishment for the player choosing to speak up about a social issue.

    The league really screwed this up, and their actions show that they realize it now. They should have made sure CK kept a job, so long as the attention was on, yet come out strong with superficial patriotism and even stronger with statements on the value of the first amendment. "We wish he wouldn't take a knee, but we are glad we live in a country where our brave sons and daughters have fought to give him that right."

    Boom, NFL is a hero to all.
  9. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Now the owners are realizing there's value in preventing the fallout from leaving a quarterback jobless in a way that can easily be, and will be read as punishment for the player choosing to speak up about a social issue.
    I realize there is still some debate about this. But the 'reading' of the situation should be obvious. CK would have a job if we wasn't an activist. His unemployment is a direct result of his decision to mix his personal beliefs with his professional responsibilities.

    HE made that decision. HE committed those acts. And now he is a victim because his actions have consequences?? That is some serious snowflake bullshit.

    What blows my mind, is that there are people that think that this is somehow morally objectionable. Try it at your job. Stand up in the cafeteria, raise your fist, and say "black power". Maybe leave some anti-abortion pamphlets in the break room. Show your support for cops by hanging one of those blue-stripe flags in your cubicle. I promise you that your boss wont' like it, and will put a stop to it in order to prevent a disruptive distraction in the workplace.

    Why do NFL owners not have the same right? I admit its anecdotal evidence, but the Steelers loss demonstrated to me that this is a distraction. It results in a lack of focus. And that hurts the on-field product. Shouldn't the team be allowed to manage its personnel in a way that best benefits its stakeholders?

    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    The league really screwed this up, and their actions show that they realize it now
    When you say "the league" are you talking about the NFL itself, the corporate entity that oversees the management of the sport? Or is the "league" referring to a general collective all 32 teams?

    They should have made sure CK kept a job,
    Who should have?

    so long as the attention was on, yet come out strong with superficial patriotism and even stronger with statements on the value of the first amendment. "We wish he wouldn't take a knee, but we are glad we live in a country where our brave sons and daughters have fought to give him that right."

    Boom, NFL is a hero to all.
    Ummmm.....hello? That's what they did the entire time CK was in the league doing this stuff. This has been going on for over a year. The big dust up this week is because Trump opened his mouth about it.

    This is actually getting funny now. All I heard the last five days was massive outrage at Trump. When he says "fire the people who don't agree with my beliefs" it's called Orwellian and unconstitutional. Boost's latest post however just argues the inverse. Teams should be forced to HIRE someone just to demonstrate political sympathy? How's that not Orwellian or unconstitutional?

    CK's actions offended the vast vast vast majority of the team's paying customers. And you're saying it's an injustice that he's jobless??
    Last edited by BananaStand; 09-27-2017 at 10:42 AM.
  10. #85
    If you need yet another illustration of the hypocrisy on the left....

    On one hand the left says.......
    "Colin Kaepernick shouldn't lose his job for exercising his first amendment rights! UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!"

    On the other hand the left says....
    "A woman exercising her second amendment rights at work?? Nah, we hate guns. Fuck the constitution. Corporate rules apply here. Good luck with your Gofundme page bitch"

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/26...y-suspect.html



    Imagine this scenario...
    Imagine CK is a white guy who heavily sympathizes with pro-life causes. And instead of taking a knee during the anthem to protest America's treatment of minorities, he instead holds his arms and sways as if he is cradling a baby.

    What do you think the media narrative would be then? What would be the NFL's reaction then?
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    His unemployment is a direct result of his decision to mix his personal beliefs with his professional responsibilities. HE made that decision. HE committed those acts. And now he is a victim because his actions have consequences?? That is some serious snowflake bullshit.
    Yep.

    If you're going to act unprofessionally in this manner, then either your cause needs to have an awful lot of public support (a very clear majority), or you need to be fucking world class so no team dares drop you.

    I wouldn't employ him, not unless he was clearly the best player in his position I could realistically sign.
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  12. #87
    Trump preparing executive order to allow across state lines sale of health insurance.

    Fucking yes. To fix healthcare, this is needed. Big time. Granted, the EO probably won't work technically but it could lead to real action by states and Congress. The EO helps box scum politicians in so that they have to do the right thing instead of what they normally do.
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    Barry's brother makes thought-provoking points.
  14. #89
    Can't Critique The Malik!
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  16. #91
    Ummm.. BananaStand, you read a whole lot into my post that absolutely was not there.

    I guess I wasn't completely clear, but this being a poker forum, I thought the fact that I was critiquing their play, not their morals would be picked up on. I'm fairly agnostic on whether CK deserved to lose his job over this, whether or not he did lose his job over this (I don't follow football closely, and I'm not sure who to believe regarding his skills), whether it's morally objectionable to fire a player for this sort of protest, etc.

    What I do know is that it appears they did fire him for it, and there are now a whole host of players taking a knee, who are almost certainly less valuable to their given teams than CK was, and who are not going to be fired over it. What gives?Whether they had the moral high ground in firing him-- whether he was being disrespectful or whether he was using his position to respectfully highlight a social issue that he finds important, the 49'ers appear to have made an example of him, and the other teams at least tacitly supported this move when they refused to open their club to CK. And the move backfired. Football is mired in a more divisive atmosphere now. Their apparent bluff was called, and now they're paying up.

    Again, I'm fairly agnostic about the morality on all sides here-- but I think there's some strange doublethink going on in your post. As I understand it, you think that it is not morally objectionable for an employer to fire staff for not participating in patriotic pageantry. Therefore it follows, there is no issue with an employer forcing staff, by threat of termination, to perform overt patriotic gestures.

    I don't want to misrepresent the facts on the ground, nor do I want to misrepresent your position here-- so please let me know where I made a leap.
    Last edited by boost; 09-28-2017 at 09:26 PM.
  17. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    I don't want to misrepresent the facts on the ground, nor do I want to misrepresent your position here-- so please let me know where I made a leap.
    Your use of the word "fired" makes your whole post into an egregious misrepresentation of facts on the ground.

    Colin Kaepernick HAD a contract with the 49ers for the 2016 and 2017 seasons, with 2017 being what's called a "player-option". That means that CK can decide at the start of the year whether or not he wants to play under that contract for that year.

    In other words, if CK wanted to play this year, all he had to do was say "yes please"

    CK exercised his player option, and opted out of his contract believing he could hit the open market and make more money from another team.

    He grossly over-estimated his own value.
  18. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Again, I'm fairly agnostic about the morality on all sides here-- but I think there's some strange doublethink going on in your post.
    Disagree

    As I understand it, you think that it is not morally objectionable for an employer to fire staff for not participating in patriotic pageantry.
    Some loaded language there, but yes. I think it's totally fine if an employer chooses to enforce consequences if one of its employees chooses to do something that offends the overwhelming majority of its paying customers. There are lots of jobs out there with rules and people who get fired for breaking those rules. Show up on time, wear steel toed boots, and for fucks sake..DON'T PISS OFF THE CUSTOMERS!

    Therefore it follows, there is no issue with an employer forcing staff, by threat of termination, to perform overt patriotic gestures
    Right

    So where's the doublethink? Yes, a team can make its own rules about the anthem and it can punish players for not following the rules. I'm not even sure why that's ambiguous My comment regarding your post was in relation to this passage here:
    The league really screwed this up, and their actions show that they realize it now. They should have made sure CK kept a job,
    What you said here is that another entity, the league, should intervene and force a team to put CK on its roster. Yet the players are saying that it's not right for another entity, the president, to intervene and call for teams to fire players. That's double think

    Again, boost, it seems your entire argument hinges on the idea that CK was somehow 'punished' by a team for his actions. He wasn't. He chose to become a free agent and test his value on the open market. And when he found that the market didn't want him, his average level of play, his inability to perform in a pro-style offense, and the media headaches that he brings with him.......then folks cried "racist conspiracy!"
  19. #94
    Did you know that Dr Seuss books are racist now?

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...as-racist.html

    But only if a white person is reading them

  20. #95
    Dr. Suess update....

    LIBRARY BITCH BUSTED!

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/29...at-in-hat.html



    I really hope we start to see more of these hypocrisies exposed.
  21. #96
    Cultural gaslighting is crazy stuff.
  22. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Did you know that Dr Seuss books are racist now?
    Teh funny thing is they only got recognition because someone important said so. They are basically utter shit. So it isn't that they are racist (which they may be) it's just they are shit.
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  24. #99
    If you wear shoes....you're a racist.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/06...niversity.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    If you wear shoes....you're a racist.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/06...niversity.html
    Um not really. I think it's closer to... if you hang a shoelace that looks like a noose from a black person's door, it might be inccorectly perceived as racist.

    This is a non-story that shouldn't even make the local papers, let alone make it across the Atlantic for my digestion.
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