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    Hey there,

    I was never really too interested in making an operation thread but have enjoyed reading other player's ops. Recently, however, I've been encouraged to start one and agreed that it was probably a good idea in terms of developing as a player. Before I get started talking about all the serious stuff though, for the three people on this forum who don't watch always sunny in philadelphia and have absolutely no idea what the thread title means, this is for you:

    YouTube - Wildcard Bitches

    So classic lol.


    Anyway, on to the serious business. The main point of this thread is for me to get better at poker. I know that's what everyone says and I do have a more specific vision in mind which I'll elaborate on in a little bit.

    I started my poker journey a few years ago with a $100 dollar deposit on PS and was able to beat 10NL, moved up to 25NL and continued to win. Towards the end of last year I wasn't winning by as much of a margin and wanted to study more, play more, and improve. I had to put poker aside though, and really focus on my senior year of college (I had a major that required quite a bit of work) and finding a full time job after graduation. I graduated with a pretty decent job offer but had to wait to start (I still am, long story) so I had plenty of time to play poker. The only problem was I was breaking even or losing slightly each month. Here is my graph since moving to FTP:



    Now on to what I'd like to do with this thread, in more detail: I already have a pretty good idea of some of my current leaks. One of them is not folding to raises even when I know I'm crushed equity wise. Lets say a bad and somewhat passive player raises our value bet. If the hand is posted in the forums I'm able to give what I think is decent advice. However, when I'm playing the hand myself I might do something completely different from the advice I give. During the hand there is this kind of "pause" where, even though I know I should fold, I look for reasons to continue with the hand (not many combos of sets/2 pair, saw him raise a few hands ago, etc...) and most of the time do convince myself to continue.

    In discussing this I've come to realize that I get sort of excited when I have a hand that I know I can extract some good value with. When I get raised my feeling changes and I go into a sort of neutral state. I don't get tilted or get angry when I get raised, but going from the excited state to the neutral state creates a kind of mini tilt where I don't want to give my hand up, if that makes sense. Anyway, I'm working on this issue but just thought I'd share in case it helps other people. I'll be looking for more of these types of leaks in the future.

    On a different note, a while back I started a word doc where I analyze hands and give opponents ranges after every single action in the hand. I type out my thoughts street by street and try to go in depth as much as possible. So the main point of this thread is to start doing that here so I can get feedback on my analysis. I want to try and do at least 1 hand a week and hopefully my op isn't completely boring and I can get some responses . I'll also mix in updates for how my poker is going and occasionally stuff that happens irl. So there you have it, the essence of my op thread.

    I've got to end this post #1 because its getting too long and #2 because I have to go pack for a trip tomorrow. I'm going here to visit my Dad for at least a month:



    Props if anyone can guess where this is.

    That's all I got, good luck at the tables.
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    bogota?


    and good luck sire, keep us updated
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    Right on looking forward to following your progress!
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    Umm you never posted again, what's going on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics View Post
    bogota?


    and good luck sire, keep us updated
    Wow that is impressive. I have no idea how you knew this was bogota but yes, that is the city in the picture and where I'm currently living


    I realize I made the intro post to this op thread and then haven't updated it since. This is really because since making the trip down here I've started working full time and I've been focusing on learning spanish and spending time with the family I have down here. That doesn't leave as much time for poker as I had in the summer.

    HOWEVER, I've gotten adjusted to being in a different country and I've gotten into somewhat of a routine. I want to start playing and studying as much as I was before I made the trip down here. AND, I want to get this OP back on track, consistent with the vision I outlined in the first post.

    So, at some point this weekend I'll make the first 'analysis' post that I described in the OP. I'm saying that right now so that I have to post it this weekend. The post will be based on a hand I choose out of my play from this week. I don't want to post a specific # of hands or hours I have to play this week, but when I make the analysis post I'll also mention how much I played during the week. Hopefully that gives me some extra incentive to play a decent amount.

    We'll see how it goes, update coming in the near future
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    The Bogota thing was on the image info DECEMBER 4TH!!!!!!!!!
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    lol the Bogota guess much less impressive now that kmind explained it..



    Update post:

    # hands played this week: 1975
    # hours played this week: 5.75
    # sessions played this week: 6
    Also watched 5 vids for a total of about 5 hours study time (probably a bit more since reading forums and making this post count as study time as well).

    Total profit: $68.37 (which includes spew in the last two sessions)

    All in all not a bad time investment considering I worked a full week mon-fri. At the same time, it can be improved upon and I want to try and put in more volume next week.

    Now for my hand analysis:

    Villain has TAG stats over pretty meaningless sample (38 hands).

    Stacks:
    UTG soblind ($25.35)
    CO BAVARIAN-1 ($30.70)
    BTN 4brain ($25)
    SB H3mo87 ($30.60)
    BB Hero ($25)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 5 players) Hero is BB
    2 folds, 4brain raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.50, 4brain calls $1.75

    Flop: ($5.10, 2 players)
    Hero checks, 4brain bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75

    Turn: ($12.60, 2 players)
    Hero checks, 4brain bets $18.75, $18.75 to Hero ($18.75)?



    This is my reasoning for 3-betting even though I think its pretty standard: Its very possible that villain is a reg (TAG stats so far and bought in full/reloading) and will fold a TON of his BU opens to a 3-bet. Even if he's not a reg he is still probably opening the BU fairly wide and will fold a decent amount. I'm never flatting A6o from the blinds vs this guy so the choice is between folding or 3-betting as a bluff. I think its a good candidate to 3-bet as a bluff because A
    6o is towards the top of the range of hands that I can't flat and can't 3-bet for value. The reason its one of the better hands in this range is because equity wise it does quite well vs his calling range. Obviously if he raises then we can comfortably fold.


    So he calls the 3bet and we see a flop. We really don't have a good idea for what his range is like at this point since we don't have reads on how he reacts to 3bets. Its possible that he can have hands like 87s in his range, but its also possible that his range is very tight.

    Here is a possible range that is somewhere between those two extremes.

    AK (discounted) 6 combos
    KK (discounted) 2 combos 2nd pair + GS
    QQ (discounted) 1 combo set
    TT 3 combos set
    99 6 combos underpair
    88 6 combos underpair
    AQ 6 combos 2 pair
    AJ 8 combos TP + GS
    KQ 12 combos 2nd pair + GS
    KJ/KJs (discounted) 6 combos Straight
    QJs 3 combos 2nd pair + GS
    JTs 3 combos 3rd pair + GS

    pretty much all of this range connects with the flop in some way (with the exception of the underpairs) but there are lots of worse hands that could call a value bet we make. I think any pair plus gutshot is calling at least one bet and lots of the stronger hands raise the flop some % of the time (which makes it easy for us to play our hand). So, I like a cbet here for value and I'm not sure why I checked as played.

    He decides to bet the flop and now I think we can eliminate hands like underpairs and JTs from his range as I would expect him to just check those behind. Its possible he may even check back a hand like KQ depending on how he plays, but its also possible he bets it assuming that when I 3-bet then don't cbet this flop I must be fairly weak.



    The turn is an interesting card. Obviously its now much harder for him to have a better ace than us, so correct me if I'm wrong but that makes his range more polarized since its now more likely he either has something huge (FH/straight) or like 1 pair + GS. I can't remember if I checked with the intention of shoving or the intention of calling and re eval on river. Its possible I checked to see what his betsize would be like or to value bet most rivers if he checked behind. Once I get here in this way I'm not sure what the best plan is. I don't think I like c/shoving because we're not really getting called by anything worse. I guess c/c turn with the intention of c/f the river is the best here?? Thoughts here are appreciated.

    Obviously I wasn't expecting him to overbet ship the turn and I hardly ever see this at 25NL. My first insinct is to just fold becuase in general, despite whatever line is taken, when people put lots of money in the pot themselves at these stakes they usually have a strong hand. Yet, I don't see why he would want to blow me out of the hand when he has a FH (unless he's worried about a K/J river killing his action). To me this looks like either a straight/strong ace or some bluff.

    To make a profitable call we need 18.75/(18.75 + 12.60) = 60% equity. From the action on the flop I said I didn't expect him to bet weak pairs that often, so if he has a bluff here he has to be taking a hand like mid pair+GS and turning it into a bluff by overbet shoving it. This seems extremely unlikely when he can just take it to the river by checking behind. I'm not even going to stove this becuase I don't think its close enough to warrant it and this is a fold.

    Comments/thoughts?

    side note: lol looking at this monstrous post I'd be surprised if anyone actually read it. Even so its still a good exercise to put my thoughts down on paper..
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    Hey will have to look at this more a little later as I'm about to leave the house but you need 37% equity. It should be 18.75/(18.75+18.75+12.60). As far as the hand, from a quick look it seems like a fold. I can't imagine someone even semi-bluffing like this.

    Congrats on Syracuse > NC State. Wish we had our best player
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmind View Post
    Hey will have to look at this more a little later as I'm about to leave the house but you need 37% equity. It should be 18.75/(18.75+18.75+12.60). As far as the hand, from a quick look it seems like a fold. I can't imagine someone even semi-bluffing like this.

    Congrats on Syracuse > NC State. Wish we had our best player
    Ahhhh you're right about the equity, thanks. Pats game is on right now but maybe tomorrow I'll go back and stove some ranges to see what our equity is like with a couple different ranges. Looking forward to seeing what you think. I sort of just rambled about the hand so next time I think I'll try and make it a little bit more organized and less a huge wall of text.

    Yea the cuse/NC state game was pretty close game, you guys def gave us a run for our money and probably would have won if you had all of your players healthy tbh. That guy wood (I think thats his name) just lit us up from the 3 but missed the one at the end of the game It sucks because for some reason I can't get onto espn3.com here in Colombia so I have to just watch the highlights the next day.
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    Oh that's lame man. It was on ESPN2 for me. Must be your cable provider . By the way I WISH we had our best player but I still don't know if that would win us the game. It'd just be different. Yeah, Wood made some nice threes but couldn't make any down the stretch. I think we scored 1 point in the last 7 minutes or so...wtf?

    Anyways, tired but would like to talk more about this hand tomorrow. I'll just edit this post.

    EDIT: Alright looking back at the hand I really like a cbet as opposed to c/x. I think he'll raise with any hand beating us, call with any hand we beat except the rare AK/AJ, and just fold underpairs/under SC. I think it's best to play like this because we are in much more control of the hand and we aren't making a big mistake anyways. As played is tricky but he can put us on like KK with us checking to try and get us off of it. I'm really not sure. I'd have to work around with an EV calculator on my other computer.
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    Shot a 75 (3 over) yesterday and obv had to post it here. I started out with 4 straight bogeys, which means I was -1 through the last 14 holes. I also had 3 3-putts (2 in the first 4 holes), so I could have shot even if I putted better. The only knock on the round is that it was from the white tees, but still pretty darn good.
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    About to post an update with a hand analysis, but have to post this hand first just for lols.

    Stacks:
    UTG kittylee71 ($42.87)
    CO Hero ($25)
    BTN artist666 ($25.97)
    SB Monkey or Robot ($26.95)
    BB Your Kryptonit3 ($25)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 5 players) Hero is CO
    kittylee71 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, 1 fold, Monkey or Robot calls $1, 1 fold, kittylee71 calls $0.85

    Flop: ($3.55, 3 players)
    Monkey or Robot checks, kittylee71 checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($3.55, 3 players)
    Monkey or Robot bets $1.75, kittylee71 folds, Hero calls $1.75

    River: ($7.05, 2 players)
    Monkey or Robot checks, Hero bets $5.25, Monkey or Robot goes all-in $24.10, Hero calls $16.90

    Final Pot: $53.30
    Monkey or Robot shows

    Hero shows
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    Update post:

    # hands played this week: 4300
    # hours played this week: 12.43
    # sessions played this week: 9
    Like last week, I also watched some vids and I'd estimate study time this week to be around 4 hours.

    Total profit on the week: $159.94
    Current BR: $970.66

    Several months ago my BR reached 4 digits for the first time ever. I played about 1/2 a @ 50NL for the first time (only 1 table) and after losing about 2/3 of a buy in pretty quickly I decided to grind 25NL a bit more and give myself more of a cushion before moving up for good. Well, I went on to lose about 15 buyins @25NL and decided my game needed major work. Currently I'm making much better decisions and feel really good about my game. I'm looking forward to moving up to 50NL for good. Any thoughts about 1100.00 as a good number for moving up??
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    Hand Analysis:

    Villain in this hand is 31/19/6.0AF with 5.3% 3bet. I'm not sure exactly when this hand occurred and how many hands I had on him at the time. From what I remember his VPIP was in the 30's (so in my mind he was clearly a fish given the high VPIP and non-full stack) and I think his AF was around 4.0.


    $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem

    Stacks:
    UTG Yuras007 ($7.76)
    UTG+1 Hero ($25)
    CO LordSpaceball ($9.93)
    BTN Kurya ($27.12)
    SB buliga87 ($19.62)
    BB Funnybearrr ($25)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1
    1 fold, Hero raises to $0.85, 2 folds, buliga87 calls $0.75, 1 fold

    Raising KTs in MP may be a little bit marginal in general, but in this case its very good since there is a fish in the blinds that we want to play lots of pots with. Maybe I could have made the raise a bit smaller since there is a short stack to our immediate left.

    Flop: ($1.95, 2 players)
    buliga87 checks, Hero bets $1.50, buliga87 raises to $3, Hero calls $1.50

    The fish calls as expected and we see a somewhat dry flop. However, there are still lots of worse hands that can call us so I decide to make a value bet. I think that his range for seeing the flop is something like this:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 80.216% 79.03% 01.19% 231584 3480.00 { KsTs }
    Hand 1: 19.784% 18.60% 01.19% 54496 3480.00 { QdQh, QdQs, JJ-22, AQs-A2s, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, AQo-A8o, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o }

    So we're pretty far ahead of his range at this point (at first I forgot to put the flop cards into PS and I was pretty surprised because we only have 51% equity but eventually I figured it out lol ). I'm going to call his flop checking range basically the same since I don't think he's going to donk lead with very many hands.

    Normally I'm inclined to give flop check/raises a lot of respect at 25NL since they're usually the nuts. However, imo this case is different for three reasons:

    1. This guy seems like an aggro donk rather than a passive donk so I think he can be bluffing here a lot of the time.
    2. He makes his raise a min raise which looks very weak
    3. He's not repping very many made hands at all given the board texture (basically just 33, 22, and MAYBE 32s if he even plays it) He also might c/r TP in spots like this, but that doesn't make very much sense because he can't really have AK while we can ourselves, and I don't think c/ring KQ or KJ would be his first option over c/c in this spot.

    So, given these factors I like a call here. A raise doesn't accomplish a whole lot because if he's bluffing then we just get him to fold when we're already ahead and if he's value betting he'll probably shove and we have to fold.

    Here's a rough range for his flop c/r:
    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 62.102% 62.10% 00.00% 25207 0.00 { KsTs }
    Hand 1: 37.898% 37.90% 00.00% 15383 0.00 { 44-22, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad2d, QdJd, QdTd, Qd9d, JTs, Jd9d, 98s, 87s, 54s }

    I included 44, 98s, 87s as just random bluffs that don't make very much sense but that he decides to raise nonetheless. We're still doing pretty good equity wise vs this range.


    Turn: ($7.95, 2 players)
    buliga87 checks, Hero checks

    Obviously the 3 is a great card for us because it reduces even more the amount of value hands he can have. This is probably the part of the hand where I'm the most unsure of what to do. I could def see us being able to get value from draws by betting something like $3.50. But, he may just fold his weak draws and his air when these hands might be a river when we check behind, especially on blank rivers. I think betting and checking are both good here, I'm just not sure which one is best. I think his range remains nearly the same except I think we can also discount 222 a bit because he would probably lead the turn with it some % of the time.


    River: ($7.95, 2 players)
    buliga87 bets $15.77, $15.77 to Hero ($21.15)?

    Imo this bet on the river looks pretty FOS. For one, if he had a K here I think there's about a 0% chance he's making this bet. But we didn't think he had very many K's in his range at this point anyway. 888 is probably also not very likely as it doesn't make sense to c/r it on the flop and there aren't many combos of 88's (although this doesn't mean he can't have it). Also, if he had 222 he might play it like this but I think its equally likely (if not more likely) that he just makes a bet he thinks will get called a lot of the time (for example $6.00).

    Given that I really don't see many value hands in his range and he can have all sorts of missed draws, I think this is a pretty easy call.

    Any comments/thoughts are appreciated!
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    Update:
    Tomorrow I fly home for the holidays. Looking forward to seeing my brother and the rest of the family back in the states. Not looking forward to the 5am wake up for an 8am flight and a solid 18 hours of traveling. It was pretty neat living in another country for 2 months, I def enjoyed the experience. If I don't hear from my employer in the next 3-4 weeks I'll probably come back down to Colombia.


    # hands played this week: 2535
    # hours played this week: 6.56
    # sessions played this week: 7
    I tend to play less when I have several losing sessions in a row..

    Total profit on the week: $-102.86
    Current BR: $889.40

    The losses are probably a combination of run bad and tilt, I'd say mostly run bad.
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    Hand Analysis:
    In the op I talked about hands where I have a strong hand against someone I know I can get a ton of value from. Sometimes we have to fold these hands and when this happens I don't get really mad, but I do go from an excited to neutral state of mind. This change in mindset can influence me to pause for a little bit and search for reasons to make a bad call, which I sometimes end up doing. I haven't analyzed the hand below yet, but I believe it was an opportunity to make one of these bad calls. We'll see if this is the case after the analysis.


    Villain is 20/11/0.8 over 105 hands. Not sure if I had these exact stats when this hand was played but I'm pretty sure they were similar and he had passive looking stats at that point.

    $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
    4 Players

    Stacks:
    CO ure a towel ($45.97)
    BTN yj_rs ($26.10)
    SB j-doggie89 ($10.59)
    BB Hero ($30.45)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 4 players) Hero is BB
    1 fold, yj_rs raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.50, yj_rs calls $1.65

    Pretty standard 3-bet against someone who is probably going to call with a ton of hands. Not much to talk about here.

    Flop: ($5.10, 2 players)
    Hero bets $3, yj_rs calls $3

    This is my standard cbet size in a 3b pot, I don't really see too much reason to make it a whole lot larger since we can easily get the money in by the river.

    Obviously at this point his cbet calling range depends on his PF 3-bet calling range. Since I don't have too great an idea how he reacts to 3-bets, all the ranges I give him from now on are just going to be guestimates. I think he can call the cbet on the flop with any K in his range (maybe K9+), all J's in his range (maybe JT+), some pp's (88+), and some draws (random club FD's, QT, T9, AQ), and then probably some other random shit. We're ahead of everything except sets right now.

    Turn: ($11.10, 2 players)
    Hero bets $5.75, yj_rs calls $5.75

    I think the turn bet size could be bigger, although it does set us up for slightly larger than 1/2 pot shove (eff stacks) on river.

    River: ($22.60, 2 players)
    Hero checks, yj_rs bets $14.85, $14.85 to Hero ($19.2)?

    Here is where I'm the most lost on this hand. Obviously the Q is a terrible card for our hand as KQ and QJ just made two pair. I really can't decide if I want to shove this river myself or just c/f. Here's a guess for what his calling range might be:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 29.032% 29.03% 00.00% 18 0.00 { AcAd }
    Hand 1: 70.968% 70.97% 00.00% 44 0.00 { JdJh, JdJs, JhJs, AKs, KTs+, QJs, T9s, AKo, KTo+, QJo, T9o }

    Against a player who seems as passive as this guy, I don't expect him to shove himself very many hands that we're ahead of (when we check the river).

    Ok so I'm still a bit confused on the river but I think its a check and fold if he shoves and call if he makes some retardedly small bet.

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