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  1. #1

    Default Poker Journal starting from 2NL

    Hy everyone, finally i make a journal about my play and evolution(or involution ) of my game.To cut the story short i made this topic at the advice of scott_owen,but also because i want to recive tips about how to improve my game and hope that with your help and my ambition i can go up in stakes.Here is the link where you can read more about me and my evolution in poker until now.http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...se-186977.html
    So lets begin with this month result until now.I will attach some graph and stats to give opinion about my leaks.I must admit that i imporve my play by open-limp less and starting hands better after the guys from the other topic argued me about limping to much.So i will wait for you people tell me what you think i do wrong,what you think i should improve,etc.Tnks
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    first and good luck. post your positional stats. you'll need the FR report which can be downloaded from Position (Full Ring) - Holdem Manager Forums
    Last edited by Keith; 05-10-2011 at 05:24 PM.
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    awesome, looks like your off to a decent start. I can see from your stats that you'r working on tightening up from the 21/7 you said in the other thread. Good work,

    In the session that your down, on the 8th of may. Your all in EV is way down compared to your winnings.. did you suck out on someone? maybe you made a bad call, might be a good hand to post.. (might also be fairly standard, who knows :P) PM the history if you dont want to be bothered with starting a thread.
  4. #4
    Scott I will post hands history here,but i must learn to convert them first

    tnks keith,i know about position stats but i forgot to post them here they are:
    -position stats from this month
    -position stats from when i reinstal my windows and HM(i think february )
    -and a graph with all hands from February till now
    -stake stats
    -and a graph with showdown winnings....you can see how much money i lose by calling a lot with wors cards and then fold.Now i try to keep this bad habit under control.
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    thats the 6max version of the position stats......for some reason Holdemmanager doesn't come with full ring position stats by default , you have to add the report manually. Follow the link i posted and it will give you a report that will show up as position(FR) where your says leak buster - position.

    One obvious thing is don't call so many 3 bets either raise or fold and in most cases it will be fold. They are telling you they have a strong hand ....you need a very strong hand to continue against them.
  6. #6
    Today was a ugly day .A lot of coolers in today session,nothing goes in my way and some lucky cards for opponents.But enough with craying i didnt make this topic to complain but rather to learn where i did mistakes and correct them in the future.After all i lose just 1.5 buy-in but clear a 25$ bonus so i am still up 21$ today.So i will not post cooler hands,i will post hands that i think i didnt play ok.

    1.

    No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    CO ($2.58)
    Button ($1.51)
    SB ($1.58)
    Hero (BB) ($1.89)
    UTG ($1.12)
    UTG+1 ($1.67)
    MP1 ($2.52)
    MP2 ($1.43)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 10
    4 folds, CO bets $0.08, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.06

    Flop: ($0.17) A, A, 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $0.10, Hero raises $0.20, CO raises $0.50, Hero raises $1.61 (All-In), CO calls $1.21

    Turn: ($3.79) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($3.79) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $3.79

    Results:
    Hero had A, 10 (three of a kind, Aces).
    CO had A, J (three of a kind, Aces).
    Outcome: CO won $3.61

    2.

    No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    CO ($2.03)
    Button ($1.26)
    SB ($0.48)
    BB ($1.16)
    UTG ($2.67)
    Hero (UTG+1) ($1.99)
    MP1 ($1.11)
    MP2 ($6.12)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, A
    UTG bets $0.04, Hero raises $0.12, 6 folds, UTG calls $0.08

    Flop: ($0.27) 10, 10, 9 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $0.26, UTG calls $0.26

    Turn: ($0.79) 7 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero checks

    River: ($0.79) A (2 players)
    UTG bets $0.72, Hero calls $0.72

    Total pot: $2.23

    Results:
    UTG had Q, J (flush, Ace high).
    Hero had K, A (two pair, Aces and tens).
    Outcome: UTG won $2.12

    3

    No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button ($0.99)
    SB ($6.02)
    BB ($1.02)
    UTG ($1.07)
    MP1 ($0.70)
    Hero (MP2) ($1.96)
    CO ($1.75)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, K
    2 folds, Hero bets $0.12, 1 fold, Button calls $0.12, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.27) 10, 6, 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.26, Button calls $0.26

    Turn: ($0.79) 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.76, Button calls $0.61 (All-In)

    River: ($2.01) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $2.01

    Results:
    Button had A, J (flush, Ace high).
    Hero had K, K (two pair, Kings and sixes).
    Outcome: Button won $1.92

    This are 3 hands whose value are bigger.I would like to view your opinion about this hands.Tnks
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    good to see some hands, i could argue for some different decisions but its fairly dependant on your villains tendancies, I might have played these with more caution but my opponents are likely tighter than yours since i'm not playing 2nl. Since youve got HEM you should be running the HUD while playing. And when you post hands tell us the hud info. the AT may have been a fold if your villain was tight since you will rarely see a player get involved here with less than Ax. and he's the preflop raiser, so AJ, AQ, AK are all likely. That said I could also be way off base here if his stats are 52/20
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    scott,except the A 10 hand all villians were fish.The A 10 hand i played mediocre.I put his preflop raise on the idea the he want to steal the blinds and i have good equity against his preflop range from CO.But when he re-raise me i think would be good idea to fold,but i was thinking about the fact that he could have a small Ax.I don't really know if it was a good play or not.
    The KK hand is quite standard for me to put all money in pot vs a short-stacker and in the AK hand the villian was so donk that i really didnt put him on a flush draw then,but now if i analyse better was obvious what he have.
    On the other hand i must admit that i quit a hand quite hard,i'm to proud (read donk) to fold a hand even when i know i'm beaten.
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    Today i find some time to play few hands and was a good day .I fill like i play ok didnt have any hard hands except for two hands that i have some doubts.

    1.No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG ($7.96)
    Hero (Button) ($3.97)
    SB ($3.36)
    BB ($2.87)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
    UTG bets $0.04, Hero raises $0.12, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.08

    Flop: ($0.27) 5, 10, 3 (2 players)
    UTG bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

    Turn: ($0.67) 3 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $0.42, UTG calls $0.42

    River: ($1.51) 9 (2 players)
    UTG bets $1, Hero folds

    Total pot: $1.51

    2.Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button ($1.43)
    SB ($2.40)
    BB ($1.45)
    UTG ($1.92)
    Hero (UTG+1) ($1.83)
    MP1 ($3.55)
    MP2 ($1.60)
    CO ($2.76)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, K
    1 fold, Hero bets $0.08, MP1 calls $0.08, 4 folds, BB calls $0.06

    Flop: ($0.25) 7, K, 8 (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.16, MP1 calls $0.16, 1 fold

    Turn: ($0.57) 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.22, MP1 calls $0.22

    River: ($1.01) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.30, MP1 raises $3.09 (All-In), Hero folds

    Total pot: $1.61



    one the first hand the villian is a 16/11 player,one the second is a fish with 89/25 vpip
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    Hi andy good luck,

    Hand 2 above AK.

    You can cbet less try making it 2/3 this will save you money when they continue and you don't have a hand. River is a big bet and the board is paired and flush is on board you can fold AK here. gl!
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    Quote Originally Posted by andy_wpo View Post
    scott,except the A 10 hand all villians were fish.The A 10 hand i played mediocre.I put his preflop raise on the idea the he want to steal the blinds and i have good equity against his preflop range from CO.But when he re-raise me i think would be good idea to fold,but i was thinking about the fact that he could have a small Ax.
    Take what I say here with a grain of salt because I'm only really just developing this skill myself. But I think raiseing this flop isn't great. This is because your hand isn't huge and your out of position. I would look to control the size of the pot over the course of the hand rather than try to get it all in early. When you raise you eliminate all of his steal range except for Ax. This leaves 7 hands that you beat and 4 you lose and 1 split. Plus you lose to 99.. your saying you villain isn't a complete fool so the range can probably be weighted more heavily towards the higher kickers which reduces your equity. If you hit a ten all the Ax hands are going to remain trigger happy on the turn or river unless your villain is super weak. And most people at 2nl aren't concerned about potentially spewing with A2 here. If you call on the flop you leave a massive range of crap in his range because he can cbet any pp, Kx, sc. All of those are a long way behind and you may get more value out of them on the turn as opposed to seeing them fold the flop.

    After all that I still need to say that raising the flop isn't bad, obviously playing passively can get you into trouble too. Its so dependent on the player. Which is why I first wrote than you need to post stats/reads on your villains.

    Your preflop thoughts aren't horrible either but I'd like to know what your villains steal% is before believing that A10 is good to play out of the blinds. I appreciate that you may have decent equity against a wide steal range here but its always going to be a bitch to play from oop. What was you plan for the flop? Are you going to donk bet to take it down on missed flops? If you hit a single A your going to have a tough spot if he raises the flop. I'd rather you do this kind of preflop play on the button when the CO or HJ raises.
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    At 2nl forget about defending your blinds, there aren't that many people that have heard about blind stealing let alone practice it. they see pretty cards and play them. ATs may look pretty , but you are gonna be out of position for the rest of the hand, could well be dominated , and because its 2nl villains don't fold any ace so you always have to be wary of flopped two pair with low cards. Also your min raise on the AT flop is terrible, Assume he has 33, you're pricing him in to call and try and set mine you .

    As it played out your Ace was dominated ,and didn't improve and folding ATs pre helps to avoid being dominated .


    todays AK hand. bet turn stronger around half pot and probably check the river, you can't call his shove and betting doesn't gain you a lot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith_MM View Post
    Also your min raise on the AT flop is terrible, Assume he has 33, you're pricing him in to call and try and set mine you .
    yes I neglected to mention this, if your going to raise it has to be bigger.


    todays AK hand. bet turn stronger around half pot and probably check the river, you can't call his shove and betting doesn't gain you a lot
    agree with this also.. turn should be 2/3rds pot atleast, you look weak, and you definately cant call much on that river, so c/f river. hands without a straight will probably check behind a decent amount of the time. its a big bluff risk to take since 2nls will call with the shitty end of that, ie. 5x

    note what keith means by betting doesnt gain you much. What hands are going to call a river bet there that hasnt made a straight? your either getting raised by a good straight, called by a bad one, all other hands fold and you beat those anyway so we dont need them to fold. so your trying to make trips/2pair/straights fold and complete air call.. not a good spot. note that trips/2pair isnt really in his range as his play looks very much like a draw.
    Last edited by scott_owen; 05-15-2011 at 09:03 PM.
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    Yeah,you both are right.I think i complicate too much when i should keep things very simple.I think i play a style suitable for bigger limits where people bluff more and try to overplay you,when at 2NL things are more simple and must give credits to player when they bet.But like i say i have a mental problem with folding hands that are good but not the best,problem that i try to solve.
    As off what you say scott about posting reads and stats about villian you all must be gentle with me.Is my first posts on a forum poker and i don't really know what to post about a hand.I hope in time my posts will be more interesting and my knowlege about poker will be better then now.Any way i thank everyone that read and give advice to help me play better.
    Last edited by andy_wpo; 05-16-2011 at 03:08 PM.
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    And today graph.I'm doing fine at the moment don't know if i just got a good month or my play just improve a littel.Anyway i play tighter then before tnks to your advice and i try make less donk calls,open-limp,bluffs,even if i still have this bad habits i hope in time i can get rid of them
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    Quote Originally Posted by andy_wpo View Post
    I think i play a style suitable for bigger limits where people bluff more and try to overplay you
    Dangerous thinking, the higher stake players have a better gauge of your entire betting line and wont fall for a bluff unless you plan it from start to finish and really make it believable, and more often than not when they fold its probably because they really did have nothing worth a call. In short, you're not ready to play in an aggressive game like you're talking about unless you can beat a softer one. You'd get crushed up there. I remember the first time I played in a tougher game, might as well have played cards face up, there's a lot to learn.

    As off what you say scott about posting reads and stats about villian you all must be gentle with me.Is my first posts on a forum poker and i don't really know what to post about a hand.
    I don't mean to be harsh with you, you get tough responses here, thats just how it is. Read other posts in the BC and comment, your opinion is valuable even if you are way wrong and get some rude comments back. Good players get value out of explaining why your wrong, it cements the concepts for them. And it obviously shows you why your wrong and helps you realize what you need to think about. If some arsehole calls you an idiot it doesnt mean that you cant learn from him, it just means he's an arsehole.
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    grats on your winning day andy, keep it fun and keep learning
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    Tnks Lucky.Today i was a really donk player like i said i still have bad habbits unfortunately.I wasnt concentrated on the game and the results can be seen in the graph.Ahhhh this is it ,i cant have only winning days it will be to good .But what bothers me is the fact that i know i loose because of my play not of bad running

    Oohhhhhhhh man i still have so much to learn...........i will never be a poker player
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    Quote Originally Posted by andy_wpo View Post
    But what bothers me is the fact that i know i loose because of my play not of bad running - i still have so much to learn
    ^ that is what people say when they are on the way to becoming a winning player.
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    Scott,i hope to be as you say.Anyway........i'm BACKKKKKKK ..........i'm joking of course but i'm happy to get another day on plus.This blog makes me want to play every day and post updates about my evolution.I want to play at least 1k/day if i'm not busy with the job.Hope in about a month to play at 5NL,but still got a lot to work to make the roll for that stake
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    Hello people,i'm still here,in case you thought i'm broke and I gave up poker .Actually the last 2 month were very good for me from my point of view.
    In May i finish the month with +69$ and in June i got my best month 118$ profit,a very hard month any way.PS offerd a bonus of 25$ for the players that make 750VVP by the end of the month and get the SilverStar status.And i say way not let's try it,after all at the end of the month i will have 35$ in my account an amount that counts to my small acount to go to next limit.So i put a lot of volume for me in June to a achive my target.Boy was hard.Playing 3.000+ hands/day (because i got a few days when i could not play)some times 6500hands in one day,playing 12 tables was hard.I could play just after work that some times finish at 7-8 p.m and then come home play 4-6hours sleep,go to work,play.This was my program for the last 2 weeks,was very tierd for me and all most fail to achive my goal when in last 3 days i got over 190VVP's to make.So i go at 5Nl (losing off course ) to try to win more vvp's.But after all i am happy.I got 19 winning days in raw,just the last 3 days where losing days because playing 20-24tables at 2NL and 1000hands at 5NL.
    Maybe i will have won more if just playing 12tables 2NL than winning the bonus,but after all the effort i make to achive the goal it will be very disappointed to not make it.But i like it.+60k hands 85$ from tabels,35$ from bonus was not a bad month i can say.
    Also i was very dissapointing about the fact that the 5NL players really kill me .Every time i go to 5NL i lose very quick,so very,very dissapointed about how i play.I am a big donk-fish and very sad that i can't make money there.In this moment i got 229$ bankroll,so i can play very relaxed at 5NL with 46buy-ins but i'm scared.I don't know what to do next.Really want to play poker at higher stakes and not spend my life grinding 2NL,but in this moment i'm very poorly prepared for another stake For now i'm off the tabels to rest a littel and think about what to do.Try to play 5 NL 4 tables and see what i will do or continue another month at 2NL

    P.S:I forgot TNKS GUYS FOR YOUR ADVICES was very useful and becoming better because off you.Still need you
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    nice graph , well done. If you want a sweat session at 5nl give me a shout BUT ....timing may be difficult for you .
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    graph is looking good.. you shouldnt fear moving up.. just take a small shot, move back down if you drop 2-3 buyins, Re-earn it at 2nl then try again.

    You've learnt 2nl quite obviously, you won't make the next step unless you tackle it and that may mean losses that cause you to learn a few lessons.

    you likely need to work on your ranging of opponents and feel for equity vs range.. PM if you want to chat about it, I can send you a few emails with some exercises if you like. Also, get in the BC and post hand histories for your big losses that you're unsure about.
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    Hello again.I know i didnt post for some time,but the situation is the same.I still play 2NL but simply because "i want" to play this limit.At the end of June i withdraw 200bucks from my account and left with only 29$.In July i only play like 6 days,after i work so hard in June to take the bonus.And now i am at 52$,the total amount i have to play poker.I know i didnt take the best decision when i withdraw but.......
    Anyway here i am again trying to make money for 5NL(if that ever happens) and i now play again hard to catch the promotion that PokerStar offers with the Vip reward program.I will try to make it to Platinum until the end off this month.|In this moment i am 100VVP away from GoldStar and hope until the end of the week to make it.
    About my game i'm very disappointed .I know im not a god player and i dont trust in my abilities as a poker player.Even that i am better then most of the players from 2NL and i think i beat this limit,i'm still have a fear when i sit at tabels,fear that i will have a loosing sesion.And some time i make up excuses to not play,fearing that if i play i will loose money.I dont think after all that i can become a poker player ever.I dont have the skill and patience for this game.I like it and i wish i can make money from poker but some time i really think i dont have a chance to go in uper limits and make more serious money.
    And at the final of my speach i put a graph from this month and some stats,tell me what leaks you see
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    Hy guys.Wow i didnt post here for a lot of time .Last time i post i just widraw the most of my money from pokerstar and from since i try to build again a roll for 5NL and i am very close.This month i am challenge my self to grind as much as i can hopeing for a 100k hands/month and this because most off the time i play very few days.Last month only 9 days,september 13 days and i should try to work harder if i wont my roll to grow.So here is my graph from this month:
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    neato graph
    (Josh)
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    Hy guys,Happy New year to all of you and GL at tables.I was thinking to update my blog again after a long time and try to update daily even if no one cares about a s.... blog at 2NL where no one learns anything.But i want to learn from you so you are all free to to give advice.After all because of your advice i improve my stats and win at 2NL.
    What can i say????Still playing 2NL because i keep withdraw money,then start from 20-30$ again and grind to build another roll for 5NL.Now i am a littel over 100 bucks and i hope i will not need money for something and withdraw again.
    Here is the graph and stats from January (HATE HM2 )

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    Last edited by andy_wpo; 01-17-2012 at 05:59 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andy_wpo View Post
    (HATE HM2 )
    yuppp me too, it's the worst! Went straight back to HM1
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    if you hate the dark theme (I loathe it) you can turn it off and select the default theme via home-->settings---> theme-->default. which leads to the obvious , if its the default theme why isn't it shipped as the default theme.
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    Looks like you could bring your pfr up and 3bet wider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by courtiebee View Post
    yuppp me too, it's the worst! Went straight back to HM1
    How did you go back to HM1??Try that to and didnt work so i;m stick to this crapy soft I buy HM 2 because HM1 didnt work at all i really love HM1

    Supa your right i could raise more,but i limp Axs,or small PP (22+77) in early position maybe is wrong but i doesnt seems to be profitable to open this cards from EP,or better said i dont know how to play them postflop.And about 3Bet,if you look over my last sesion i try to improve this too,think a 4% 3bet should be ok????
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    Quote Originally Posted by andy_wpo View Post
    How did you go back to HM1??
    I was writing a review for the software, so I was given a code for HM2 and got to keep my HM1 code. I think I only used it for two days before switching back.

    I actually really liked the HM2 HUD, but I hated the summaries and the way they organized stats and results. People considering HM2 should definitely download the trial before buying it in place of HM1.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord View Post
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    Tnks courtiebee for advice but i cant make my HM 1 to work,so i will go with HM2,has become more easy to watch after i change the theme (tnks Keith).About poker i can say i got a good day everything goes my way and i put a nice profit in 2k hands.Even the red line looks pretty cool a thing you will not see very often i my graphs,so here it is the graph from today.

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    Wow I guess I'm the only who actually loves HEM2. Nice giraffe man, keep it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarGrinder View Post
    Wow I guess I'm the only who actually loves HEM2. Nice giraffe man, keep it up.
    I dont know if you are the only one but I am sure i hate it I dont like how graph looks,how stats are display (very hard to acces stats when play 18 tables and must take a decission) it's a f...ing mess.Anyway i played another sesion today,a long sesion,putting 5.8k hands and take a profit to.One over other it was an ugly sesion,cant belive how lucky are this fishies.I know i should not care and play my best game but some times it can be very tilty.In the last days i start to play a more LAG game then before and it seems it's going ok if you know when to give up your hand,just look at my stats .Dont know if it is porfitable in the long term but for now it works and i will keep playing like that.So here is the graph and some hands

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    Villian a fish 58/5-65hands,hard to fold 99

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP2 ($3.20)
    Hero (MP3) ($1.45)
    CO ($0.79)
    Button ($1.95)
    SB ($3.05)
    BB ($1.97)
    UTG ($0.80)
    UTG+1 ($1.83)
    MP1 ($1.64)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q, Q
    2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.12, 4 folds, MP1 calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.27) 5, 4, J (2 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.22, MP1 calls $0.22

    Turn: ($0.71) 7 (2 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50

    River: ($1.71) 9 (2 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.61 (All-In), MP1 calls $0.61

    Total pot: $2.93 | Rake: $0.14

    Results:
    MP1 had 9, 9 (three of a kind, nines).
    Hero had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
    Outcome: MP1 won $2.79


    Very bad play,but i know he doesnt have an Ace when he checks and try to make him fold and i think i got good equity with my flushdraw but he cant fold KK so...........anyway bad play i thin the corect play it would have been c/c turn,fold river if he bets

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    CO ($1.18)
    Hero (Button) ($5.31)
    SB ($2)
    BB ($2.19)
    UTG ($2.02)
    UTG+1 ($2.84)
    MP1 ($0.15)
    MP2 ($3)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 9
    UTG bets $0.06, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.06, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.15) A, 3, 6 (2 players)
    UTG bets $0.08, Hero raises to $0.20, UTG calls $0.12

    Turn: ($0.55) Q (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $0.40, UTG calls $0.40

    River: ($1.35) J (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $0.90, UTG calls $0.90

    Total pot: $3.15 | Rake: $0.15

    Results:
    Hero had 8, 9 (high card, Ace).
    UTG had K, K (one pair, Kings).
    Outcome: UTG won $3


    I dont know if this is a cooler or i make a bad decision especially when villian is 10/6 over 2k hands.What do you think????Clear fold???


    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB ($1.74)
    BB ($3.04)
    UTG ($2.52)
    UTG+1 ($1.63)
    MP1 ($0.80)
    Hero (MP2) ($4.26)
    CO ($1.93)
    Button ($2.02)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, 10
    3 folds, Hero bets $0.08, 1 fold, Button calls $0.08, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.19) J, 6, Q (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.14, Button calls $0.14

    Turn: ($0.47) 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button checks

    River: ($0.47) K (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.32, Button raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.88

    Total pot: $2.87 | Rake: $0.14

    Results:
    Button had 10, A (straight, Ace high).
    Hero mucked Q, 10 (straight, King high).
    Outcome: Button won $2.73


    This hands are incredible true TILT Villian a huge fish 53/11-100hands

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP1 ($0.80)
    MP2 ($3.02)
    Hero (CO) ($1.88)
    Button ($5)
    SB ($1.32)
    BB ($1.24)
    UTG ($1.57)
    UTG+1 ($3.20)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with J, J
    2 folds, MP1 bets $0.04, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.12, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.88 (All-In), BB calls $1.04 (All-In)

    Flop: ($2.53) 5, J, 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Turn: ($2.53) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: ($2.53) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: $2.53 | Rake: $0.12

    Results:
    BB had 9, A (flush, Jack high).
    Hero had J, J (three of a kind, Jacks).
    Outcome: BB won $2.41


    Same villian wtf they eat to be so lucky
    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB ($3.03)
    Hero (BB) ($0.56)
    UTG ($4.60)
    MP1 ($1.31)
    MP2 ($2.51)
    CO ($1.94)
    Button ($3.17)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, K
    2 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, 3 folds, Hero checks

    Flop: ($0.05) K, 10, 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.08, MP2 raises to $0.16, Hero raises to $0.54 (All-In), MP2 calls $0.38

    Turn: ($1.13) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($1.13) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $1.13 | Rake: $0.05

    Results:
    Hero had 7, K (full house, tens over Kings).
    MP2 had J, 10 (four of a kind, tens).
    Outcome: MP2 won $1.08


    What do you think about this hand???BB is 44/15-202h and the other one is new to table 50/50-2h

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG ($2.50)
    UTG+1 ($0.50)
    MP1 ($1.23)
    MP2 ($0.80)
    CO ($0.96)
    Button ($2)
    Hero (SB) ($2.08)
    BB ($2.64)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, A
    4 folds, CO calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.12, 1 fold, CO calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.26) 10, 9, 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.20, CO raises to $0.84 (All-In), Hero calls $0.64

    Turn: ($1.94) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($1.94) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $1.94 | Rake: $0.09

    Results:
    Hero had Q, A (high card, Ace).
    CO had 5, K (one pair, fives).
    Outcome: CO won $1.85


    This are the the biggest losing hands from today,hope not a very boring post.GL
    Last edited by andy_wpo; 01-20-2012 at 06:56 PM.
  37. #37
    this is 2nl specific but

    1. QQ fine.

    2 89s why raise the flop. Take advantage of the fact that these guys will call too much at 2nl and you can't make them fold. Call and make your flush cheaply then bet big and they'll call.He stayed in the pot with an A on the board, not betting doesnt mean that they don't have an ace , it might be a shitty one or they might just be playing fancy.Continuing to bet with all those overcards is just spewing money. use some pot control.

    3. QTs - think i prefer fold pre

    4. even 53/11 get QQ KK AA AK . Until you have a read that this guy is 4betting that light . Given his stack size i probably flat the min raise.then shove that flop.A or K on the flop would hit unknowns 2nl 4bet range pretty hard . Stack size brings up a point about a couple of your hands you don't have 100 bb .Why not especially as you can buy in for 250bb at 2nl.shoving 5$ with AA pre is a great way to increase your winrate at 2nl

    5. again ....wtf stack size are you playing. Why over bet the pot on the flop , jeez you only have 54 cents it aint gonna be hard to getthat in the middle. When your flop overbet gets raised how often is your TP shitty kicker going to be good.Theres a whole host of better Kx hands out there along with setstwo pairs etc. His min raise is hard to interpret as he may just be trying to get the money in without scaring you off.Whatever, folding is best.

    6. AQ pre fine ...fold to steal stat on BB would be usefull for you to have though as 44/15 implies he is going to call a lot.cebt slightly smaller maybe .16 and fold to the shove . you have airyou don't even have the best air so why stack off and hope to hit.
  38. #38
    You see that stack size because i loose and i dont rebuy until i lose all my stack.I buy 100BB that is 2$ and i fell very comforable playing with this stack and i hate playing with full stack go all in and lose 5$ so prefer this.
    Now hand 2 like i say bad play but good equity to stack him
    Qts hand i prefer to see it as a cooler this is it
    His a huge fish so never fold here,NEVER if he got AA,KK,QQ then this is it but like you see he doesnt have,he only has an incredibly luck.And i play with him 100hands so i see what he plays and how he plays.If no luck have been involved those hands would be a won so.... no bad felling.
    AQ hand yeah you're right should fold.
    Thanks Keith for your point of view it helps to see how other people would play this hands so thanks again and any one is welcome to share his point of view
  39. #39
    whats the difference between you sitting on 4$ in the QT hand and buying in for 4$. You have the same amount to lose either way . If you are not happy playing withthe 4$ stack leave and rathole and never learn how to play deepstacked.Similarly, what happens if you have been losing and you are down to 56cents like you have on the K7 hand and you get dealt AA. You have massacred your win rate by not havng chips on the table to get in the middle.

    lets look at the QT hand in more detail then. you have top pair on the flop and and open ended straight draw yet you check the turn and let him draw to his open ender for free.on the river you have a nit , who has been ultra passive so far, now wanting to shovel chips in the middle. Since you don't have the nut straight and the nit isn't going to shovel chips in the middle without at least a T there is a high chance that he is holding AT simply because he doesn't have many Tx hands in his button calling range.

    You call it a cooler , but it was caused by being out of position with a dominated hand.Its easy to avoid that spot just by folding pre.
  40. #40
    Play a small sesion this morning and got a nice profit in short time.Games seem more profitable during the day than evening few regs and more fishies.I think this is it for today,will go and play some PC games (dont find any decent game to play so any advice would be nice) and i think i will take a day off tomorrow.

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    P.S: only one hand played poorly today and the biggest loss
    V is 17/7-200h

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    CO ($0.79)
    Button ($0.83)
    SB ($1.87)
    Hero (BB) ($3.81)
    UTG ($1.12)
    MP1 ($1.81)
    MP2 ($3.11)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
    5 folds, SB bets $0.16, Hero raises to $3.81 (All-In), SB calls $1.71 (All-In)

    Flop: ($3.74) 7, 4, J (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Turn: ($3.74) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: ($3.74) Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: $3.74 | Rake: $0.18

    To Keith:
    Dont get me wrong i'm not saying you're wrong but this is how i used to play and i feel comfortable like this.I buy for 100bb if i make more i stay at that table until most players go away.Like yesterday for example i got tables with 7-8$,so no problem with playing deepstack only this is how i got used to play,stay until i loss my stack or everybody leave.
    QTs hand you got your point,at 2NL it's a fold,but hey i dont say i'm a good player,this is way i post here and need your advice
    Last edited by andy_wpo; 01-21-2012 at 09:17 AM.
  41. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by andy_wpo View Post
    You see that stack size because i loose and i dont rebuy until i lose all my stack.I buy 100BB that is 2$ and i fell very comforable playing with this stack and i hate playing with full stack go all in and lose 5$ so prefer this.
    I don't want to come off as a dick but you should eliminate this thinking like yesterday. That's how a fish thinks. When you buy in full, you can win big or lose big. That's no limit. If you can't handle it then go play limit, although LHE can have much bigger swings. Seriously bro, make +EV decisions and you win EVERY TIME, regardless what the results are of a single hand or a small sample of hands. It took me a while to understand this too, but the more I work on it, the less I tilt and view poker as the long-term game it is. GL with the grind man.
  42. #42
    Stay chill man any advice is a good advice,as i said i'm the wrong one and i'm willing to accept any advice that will make me think better and have better results.So any one how see any leak in my posts is more than welcom to tell their opinion.This is way i post the biggest loss from a sesion to see where i'm wrong and try to make a better decision.Owe a lot to this forum (like said before) because i got better at poker after i post here and recived advice about my play,so tnks again to all off you
  43. #43
    Hy guys.Yesterday i said i will not play today,that i will take a free day.Guess what????I didnt .Very poor decision because i was running like hell and lost 5 buy-ins,a lot of coolers like sets over sets,AAA vs str8,etc.But this is not my biggest problem,my pain is that i play like a fuc..ng fish .It was like PS delete my fold buton.I was calling every hand where i think they dont have it and i was thinking like that at every hand where they re-raise me or go all in and i was very happy to call to catch them bluffing.I was playing very very bad beside coolers.I will not even put hands because they were coolers or bad play.The only good think is that i manage to clear a 25$ bonus and after all it was a winning day.Here's the graph.

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  44. #44
    I'm in very big tilt right now.Just finish a sesion and i was running like f...ing shit again.I came from work very motivated to play poker (hole day i read poker forums today ) eat,relax a littel then begin to grind.Everythink was ok until i go all in pre with AA vs KK and got burned,become mad,stay for 1 min chill then play.5 min later AA raise pre got re-raised,push all in he call KK guess what is the last card on river???any one???Yeah a f...ing K and this are only the all in not even mention fishies that makes 2 pair on river,etc.At least i make 1$ and i'm not on the loosing side but was an ungly day.Got some hand if you want to give some opinion and the 2 loosing hands with AA

    1.Villian 12/9-200h
    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    CO ($0.65)
    Button ($0.86)
    SB ($3.02)
    BB ($1.12)
    UTG ($2.95)
    Hero (UTG+1) ($1.98)
    MP1 ($1.31)
    MP2 ($2.08)
    MP3 ($4.87)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, A
    1 fold, Hero bets $0.12, 5 folds, SB raises to $0.34, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.98 (All-In), SB calls $1.64

    Flop: ($3.98) 3, K, 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Turn: ($3.98) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($3.98) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $3.98 | Rake: $0.19

    2.At least i didnt have much money i this spot,otherwise i would be very mad.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (CO) ($0.83)
    Button ($5.15)
    SB ($3.13)
    BB ($1.08)
    UTG ($0.71)
    UTG+1 ($1.85)
    MP1 ($1.27)
    MP2 ($2)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A, A
    1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.07, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.24, 3 folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.85 (All-In), Hero calls $0.59 (All-In)

    Flop: ($1.69) 3, 3, 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Turn: ($1.69) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: ($1.69) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: $1.69 | Rake: $0.08

    Now hands where i dont know if i play ok:
    Villian 82/5-22h.Is this a fold when he checks turn??I think he bets any K,Q even bluff with Ax on river when he see we check turn


    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG+1 ($1.01)
    MP1 ($2.03)
    MP2 ($2.59)
    MP3 ($1.71)
    CO ($2.16)
    Hero (Button) ($1.20)
    SB ($1.34)
    BB ($2.16)
    UTG ($0.76)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with J, A
    3 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.08, SB calls $0.07, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.20) K, 4, 10 (2 players)
    SB bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12

    Turn: ($0.44) 10 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks

    River: ($0.44) Q (2 players)
    SB bets $0.82, Hero raises to $1 (All-In), SB calls $0.18

    Total pot: $2.44 | Rake: $0.12

    2.Huge fush 96/96 over 30hands-3bet 86% shove every hand.

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    Hero (MP1) ($1.83)
    MP2 ($1.07)
    CO ($1.09)
    Button ($3)
    SB ($5.26)
    BB ($1.92)
    UTG ($2)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, Q
    1 fold, Hero bets $0.08, MP2 raises to $1.07 (All-In), 4 folds, Hero calls $0.99

    Flop: ($2.17) 9, 2, J (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Turn: ($2.17) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($2.17) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $2.17 | Rake: $0.10

    What about this hand.Villian is a fish 53/11-60h.I guess he got a lot of Jxs in his range.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG+1 ($1.03)
    Hero (MP1) ($2.65)
    MP2 ($2)
    MP3 ($1.26)
    CO ($3.61)
    Button ($1.98)
    SB ($2)
    BB ($0.80)
    UTG ($2)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, K
    2 folds, Hero bets $0.12, 2 folds, CO calls $0.12, 1 fold, SB calls $0.11, 1 fold

    Flop: ($0.38) J, J, 4 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.26, CO raises to $0.56, 1 fold, Hero folds

    Total pot: $0.90 | Rake: $0.04

    Ok and here is the graph

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  45. #45
    All those hands are standard bro. We all have ugly days where the fish get our monies. That's what keeps 'em coming back though. Take a day off from poker and relax. Come back refreshed. Your obviously on tilt
  46. #46
    tnks Star,i'm ok now just yeasterday i was a littel mad (a littel more) but now i'm ok.I must lear to accept variance in my game.
  47. #47
    Just finish today session 4560 hands played +7$ but still not happy.Of course i run under EV over 2 buyins.My AA didnt hold again,fortunaly they were short-stacker so didnt loose to much,but fishies run hot against me AGAIN Anyway is ok that is like this and manage to make few bucks to increase my roll.
    At about 4k hands you can see i was going down after i was HU (players left tables) with a short-stacker( 67/67-3hands ) that put me all in from BU with JJ and i call with Ak.Of course didnt catch anything and lost 1$ .It looks a littel spewy when he raise me all in and i was thinking i got good equity agains this range from Bu.Here is the hand

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB ($1)
    Hero (BB) ($3.58)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A
    SB bets $1 (All-In), Hero calls $0.98

    Flop: ($2) 8, 10, 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Turn: ($2) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($2) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $2 | Rake: $0.10

    After that play a littel more Hu at two tables lost a few than got this at one table.Villian big fish 56/9-170h bluff a lot by overbet river.Think is a good fold he can have any two suited or A4 or 47

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (Button) ($4.19)
    SB ($1.46)
    BB ($1.99)
    UTG ($2.03)
    UTG+1 ($1.48)
    MP1 ($2.38)
    MP2 ($3.46)
    CO ($3.37)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, 5
    2 folds, MP1 bets $0.04, MP2 calls $0.04, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.04, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.15) 5, 3, 2 (3 players)
    MP1 bets $0.12, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.12

    Turn: ($0.39) 6 (2 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.20, MP1 calls $0.20

    River: ($0.79) K (2 players)
    MP1 bets $1, Hero folds

    Total pot: $0.79 | Rake: $0.03

    Then another hand against same villian.This tilt me a littel when he makes his flush and cant stop calling.After this hand i have only 2d win so a littel mad that go from 6$ to 2$ in 300 hands

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (SB) ($3.92)
    BB ($1.45)
    UTG ($1.88)
    MP1 ($2)
    MP2 ($2.83)
    CO ($0.74)
    Button ($3.38)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
    2 folds, MP2 bets $0.04, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.18, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.14

    Flop: ($0.38) 10, K, 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.22, Hero calls $0.22

    Turn: ($0.82) 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP2 checks

    River: ($0.82) 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP2 bets $1, Hero calls $1

    Total pot: $2.82 | Rake: $0.13

    Then this hands came ,same villian.Very scared when he puts me all in on a flush bord but i was decided to call anything and hope i beat him

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (MP2) ($2.52)
    CO ($1.42)
    Button ($1.88)
    SB ($0.74)
    BB ($2.03)
    UTG ($4.12)
    UTG+1 ($0.74)
    MP1 ($3.38)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 2, 4
    UTG bets $0.04, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.04, CO calls $0.04, 2 folds, BB calls $0.02

    Flop: ($0.17) 5, A, 7 (4 players)
    BB checks, UTG bets $0.14, Hero calls $0.14, 2 folds

    Turn: ($0.45) 3 (2 players)
    UTG bets $0.44, Hero calls $0.44

    River: ($1.33) 6 (2 players)
    UTG bets $2.04, Hero calls $1.90 (All-In)

    Total pot: $5.13 | Rake: $0.25

    Then this and clear what's left from his stack


    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (MP1) ($4.82)
    MP2 ($1.38)
    MP3 ($1.88)
    CO ($0.73)
    Button ($2.08)
    SB ($1.58)
    BB ($1.60)
    UTG ($0.74)
    UTG+1 ($3.38)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, K
    2 folds, Hero bets $0.12, 5 folds, BB calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.25) 8, 6, 10 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, BB raises to $1.48 (All-In), Hero calls $1.28

    Turn: ($3.21) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($3.21) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $3.21 | Rake: $0.16

    Can't lie i was very happy that i finally stack of a fish after so many coolers from fishies.
    This is it for today time for graph
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  48. #48
    Manged a nice session today +9.70$ in 4k hands.Running very nice today pleased with how thinks worked .I was playing 22 table at 1 time and i dosent seems to hard from 18.Graph for today

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  49. #49
    I didnt have the mod to play poker today,but at some point i was thinking lets try some 5NL to see how hard it is.And i open 2 table buy for 100bb and start playing for an hour.LOL off course i lose,i play thinking that everybody bluff me and try to steal my pot so i fight back (stupid move) and i end losing all most 7 $ .Wtf i'm a fish .Look only at my stats and you can see my style change from what i play normaly at 2NL.A think that i saw different from 2NL is that players are f...ing nits or i hit 2 bad tables full of nits.At 2 NL you see 2-3 regs,2-4 player with vpip between 20-30,and 2-5 fishies,but at 5NL 7 were nits and only 2 where more looser than normal.What can i say more than i'm not made for poker.I really start to belive this.All most 2 years and over 600k hands played at 2 NL (mostly because i keep withdrawing money when i was roll for 5NL,but anyway) where i dont have a super big win winrate.Like i said before i didnt want to play for a living,although i will not mind to do this every day,but i was like making some bonus beside salary and for that it should be ok to beat 10NL and make like 300-400$+rake/month and that is very posible for a 10NL player.I saw players that makes over 1K at 10NL.
    Ahhhh i will really start thinking to quit poker or at least playing for fun from times to times and not grinding like an idiot 2NL to make a roll for 5NL and then busted,i dont have the discipline for poker,i must accept this and start to make something else to win some extra money.
    Here is the stats,graph and a stupid hands that i play
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    Stats for 5 NL
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    Some hands.
    1.Villian 17/15-205,4.8% 3 bet


    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG ($3.27)
    MP1 ($5.21)
    MP2 ($5.20)
    CO ($6.16)
    Button ($10.21)
    Hero (SB) ($2.62)
    BB ($5)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, 8
    5 folds, Hero bets $0.15, BB raises to $0.45, Hero calls $0.30

    Flop: ($0.90) 5, 10, 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets $0.55, Hero raises to $1.92, BB raises to $3.29, Hero calls $0.25 (All-In)

    Turn: ($5.24) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($5.24) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $5.24 | Rake: $0.26

    2.Vilian 18/12-22h

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    CO ($4.96)
    Button ($2.29)
    SB ($2.15)
    BB ($7.51)
    UTG ($4.97)
    UTG+1 ($10.49)
    Hero (MP1) ($4.95)
    MP2 ($5.66)
    MP3 ($7.85)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 3, 3
    2 folds, Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.20, 4 folds

    Flop: ($0.47) 5, 7, 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.35, MP3 raises to $0.90, Hero raises to $2, MP3 raises to $5.25, Hero folds

    Total pot: $4.47 | Rake: $0.22

    3.V. 14/9-72h,3 bet 0%

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP1 ($5)
    MP2 ($2.93)
    MP3 ($2)
    CO ($9.54)
    Button ($3.97)
    SB ($10.30)
    Hero (BB) ($4.66)
    UTG ($6.38)
    UTG+1 ($5)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, A
    6 folds, Button bets $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.60, Button raises to $1, Hero calls $0.40

    Flop: ($2.02) 8, 5, K (2 players)
    Hero bets $1, Button raises to $2.97 (All-In), Hero folds

    Total pot: $4.02 | Rake: $0.19

    4.V. 27/10-465h,3% 3 bet (ex 2NL player)

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP1 ($12.62)
    MP2 ($5.13)
    MP3 ($2.50)
    Hero (CO) ($3.66)
    Button ($5.44)
    SB ($5.83)
    BB ($5)
    UTG ($6.21)
    UTG+1 ($5)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A, 9
    5 folds, Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, SB calls $0.18, 1 fold

    Flop: ($0.45) Q, 6, 9 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, SB calls $0.30

    Turn: ($1.05) 3 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks

    River: ($1.05) 2 (2 players)
    SB bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75

    Total pot: $2.55 | Rake: $0.12

    5.Got a winning one here V. is 13/10-70h

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    CO ($4.96)
    Button ($2.93)
    SB ($2.22)
    BB ($5)
    UTG ($3.99)
    UTG+1 ($10.35)
    Hero (MP1) ($2.60)
    MP2 ($6.38)
    MP3 ($5)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J, J
    2 folds, Hero bets $0.20, 4 folds, SB raises to $0.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30

    Flop: ($1.05) J, 4, K (2 players)
    SB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $0.70, SB calls $0.40

    Turn: ($2.45) Q (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1.05, SB calls $1.02 (All-In)

    River: ($4.49) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $4.49 | Rake: $0.21

    Now that i post this hands and review them i see that i made only stupid calls,bet and call 3 bets with weak hands so nothing to complain,like i said i always think that they want to outplay me and i cant stand it,to proud to let some one bluff me.So if im stupid this is the result.
    Thanks to everyone how read my topic(even if they dont post,after all what to post at a 2NL topic and to a player who not listen advices)and hope i dont sound to boring and too whiny complaining at every loose i have.......aaaa sorry for my bad english too GL.
    Last edited by andy_wpo; 01-26-2012 at 06:20 PM.
  50. #50
    Back again and i'm here to complain again .I must dump my nerves somewhere and because i got a blog i will make it here.I'm running like .... for about a week,cant manage to win with absolut nuts all most never,i am like 90% the favorit on turn and then i'm f.... on river.I am really shocked that i manage to end this day on the positiv side after all this suckouts.I will put some hands here and the graph for today.

    1.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB ($2)
    Hero (BB) ($3.20)
    UTG ($1.61)
    UTG+1 ($1.26)
    MP1 ($0.94)
    MP2 ($0.98)
    CO ($1.32)
    Button ($0.81)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 7
    6 folds, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

    Flop: ($0.04) 9, 10, 6 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.08, SB calls $0.08

    Turn: ($0.20) A (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.14, SB raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1.45, SB raises to $1.90 (All-In), Hero calls $0.45

    River: ($4) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $4 | Rake: $0.19

    2.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    BB ($2.66)
    UTG ($4.42)
    UTG+1 ($2.03)
    MP1 ($3.29)
    MP2 ($2.07)
    MP3 ($1.03)
    CO ($2.31)
    Hero (Button) ($1.47)
    SB ($4.62)

    3.Preflop: Hero is Button with K, 8
    2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, 3 folds, Hero bets $0.06, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.04

    Flop: ($0.15) 2, 9, 4 (2 players)
    MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.14, MP1 calls $0.14

    Turn: ($0.43) 6 (2 players)
    MP1 bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.60, MP1 raises to $3.09 (All-In), Hero calls $0.67 (All-In)

    River: ($2.97) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: $2.97 | Rake: $0.14

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button ($1.97)
    Hero (SB) ($1.24)
    BB ($1.16)
    UTG ($0.80)
    UTG+1 ($0.97)
    MP1 ($1.77)
    MP2 ($1.31)
    MP3 ($1.30)
    CO ($1.97)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A
    2 folds, MP1 bets $0.06, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.26, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $1.77 (All-In), Hero calls $0.98 (All-In)

    Flop: ($2.50) 5, 3, 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Turn: ($2.50) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: ($2.50) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: $2.50 | Rake: $0.12

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  51. #51
    Finally this month ends,not a nice month for me because i think i got a lot of ugly situation and they stop me to win more,but i should not complain because i still finish in green.I will put the result below for this month.

    Cash win:+55.82$
    Bonus:+25 $
    VVP:542.07
    Hands played:65k

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    I hate this limit.Playing 65k hands and making only 1$/hr is a pice of s... i lose 100h/month for what????Anyway i hope Feb will be the last month at 2NL.I will struggle to play a lot of hands next month to win as much as possible (hope to run normal) and build a roll for 5NL.I wish to have around 300$ for 5NL,i know is much (30bi-10$ buy in or 60buy ins-100bb) but i'm scared to play at 5NL and i want to play at least 9-12 tables.Cant play 2-4 tables i get bored quickly and start throw money because i think everybody is bluffing me.
    Suscribe at DragtheBar for 1 month to watch some videos and trying to see where i make mistakes from other players,for me is much easier to understand a play from vides than reading topics.I like Dragthebar because they got coaches for micro-micro stake 2NL,5NL,10NL and they are in touch with how the games are these days.I see very,very much regular players from 50NL or higher limits in forums that say nanostakes are very easy play but i think is not so easy like it was like 2 years ago when i start to play,not even speak about 6-7 years back when nobody knows about 3 bet and other stuff.
    Ok....see you tomorrow.
  52. #52
    Oau,got a nice start for this month only 5k hands and have more the 25$ made.Today i manage a 24$ profit,i think is my best day so far,probably because yesterday i deposit 10euros on PS so they push the win buton LOL .
    Yeah i deposit 10Euro because i read on some forum that euro tables are softer then dolar tables so i said lets try them to see how it works and indeed they are full of fishies like dolar tables were when i start to play.But i noticed that are more fishies these days at tables at least at 2NL,dont know if is related to changes that Stars make but tables have been improved.Here is the month Graph.

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  53. #53
    Hey Andy,

    I've been donking around at 2 euro NL a bit while I wait for non-laptop computer to run HUD and HEM on so I can grind seriously and I've seen you at my tables.

    This will marginally hurt my winrate (lol w/e) but I think you call down a too light and I have a note on you saying that (you should maybe check your w/sd stats). I also think you bluff too much for these stakes in terms of "trying to get people off their hand". Just play a little more straight forward. Lots of value betting particularly when you hit draws.

    Other than that you are fairly solid and you'll move up soon enough. See you at the tables, and don't take too much money from me
    This is not my signature. I just write this at the bottom of every post.
  54. #54
    Hy ginger.Oooo im very glad that you post here and tell me your opinion about my play.I only been playing euro table from this month,but was a real boost for my roll.I have the fancy play sindrom and some time i start to make bad moves like bluffs in bad spots vs. good regs.Sometime they work,sometime they dont,this is,i think,the biggest leak i have,the fact that i cant stop thinking that people bluff me and stop playing against them with mediocre hands.I should understand that i dont deserve to win every hand i play and this is one off the reason way im crushed at 5Nl for exemple.
    Give me a Pm if you have time/want to talk more i will be very happy to talk with somebody about poker.
    And since i make a post lets show the graph from today,mehh day running 12$ under EV but still manage to make a nice profit after all that bad beats.

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    And a hand that tilt me like sh.t This is way i dont like to play deep stack.Villian was a reg 14/12 3bet 4% we play HU

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, €0.02 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB (€4.17)
    Hero (BB) (€5.74)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A
    SB bets €0.06, Hero raises to €0.28, SB raises to €0.90, Hero raises to €5.74 (All-In), SB calls €3.27 (All-In)

    Flop: (€8.34) 6, Q, 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Turn: (€8.34) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: (€8.34) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: €8.34 | Rake: €0.25
    Last edited by andy_wpo; 02-17-2012 at 05:08 PM.
  55. #55
    Must post this because is my biggest recovery ever.From a littel more than -15$ to +9$ is a big deal from me.Start the sesion today and play like a fuc..ing retard trowing money like a milionare I must stop reading PG&C topics from high stakes player and then play poker........very bad for my style i start viewing tpmk like the nuts and shove 100bb like nothing.Aaaaaaaaa............anyway im happy that i manage to turn a profit and im VERY happy that i run over EV (finally) was time to coller some people too.So here is the graph today

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  56. #56
    Did you know that PS loves fishies?????They love them so hard that i have seconds when i really think they got a button somewhere,lol.I'm joking of course,but sometimes fishies can make your life very hard and today was one off those days where nothing works and they catch the miracle cards most times.Aaaa this is it after how well this month went some hard days are normal i think.Still no loosing days this month,15 winning days until know,but i still have another 7days until the end of the month.I will put some hands........and a graph of course

    1.vs.Fish 47/16/9.1% 3bet-1.7agg over 170h.Like all fishies they run after flush.I dont know if i should fold river,there are a lot of combo that beats me:KQ,Flush,Str8.I didnt see the flush when i bet rive and mostly i thought he got a Kx because of turn bet.


    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, €0.02 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB (€3.86)
    Hero (BB) (€2.17)
    UTG (€1)
    MP1 (€2.20)
    MP2 (€2.01)
    CO (€2.20)
    Button (€3.82)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, Q
    1 fold, MP1 calls €0.02, MP2 calls €0.02, 3 folds, Hero checks

    Flop: (€0.07) 8, Q, Q (3 players)
    Hero bets €0.08, MP1 calls €0.08, 1 fold

    Turn: (€0.23) K (2 players)
    Hero bets €0.17, MP1 raises to €0.34, Hero raises to €1.24, MP1 calls €0.90

    River: (€2.71) 10 (2 players)
    Hero bets €0.83 (All-In), MP1 calls €0.83

    Total pot: €4.37 | Rake: €0.15

    2.Cooler what can i say

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB ($1.14)
    BB ($0.80)
    UTG ($0.72)
    Hero (UTG+1) ($2.03)
    MP1 ($0.59)
    MP2 ($4.48)
    MP3 ($3.84)
    CO ($2.15)
    Button ($2.01)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 6, 6
    UTG calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, 3 folds, CO calls $0.02, 1 fold, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

    Flop: ($0.10) 5, 6, A (5 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.10, CO calls $0.10, 3 folds

    Turn: ($0.30) 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.16, CO calls $0.16

    River: ($0.62) 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.58, CO raises to $1.87 (All-In), Hero calls $1.17 (All-In)

    Total pot: $4.12 | Rake: $0.14

    3.Here we go again 63/17-40h FISH

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, €0.02 BB (3 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button (€1.98)
    Hero (SB) (€2)
    BB (€1.33)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K
    Button bets €0.04, Hero raises to €0.22, 1 fold, Button calls €0.18

    Flop: (€0.46) 2, 9, 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets €0.38, Button calls €0.38

    Turn: (€1.22) J (2 players)
    Hero bets €0.94, Button calls €0.94

    River: (€3.10) 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets €0.46 (All-In), Button calls €0.44 (All-In)

    Total pot: €3.98 | Rake: €0.14

    4.Did i play this very bad?????Villian is a reg with how i play every day good stats 10/7/3.9% 3 bet,2.39 agg-4.9k hands.I did not expect from him to 3 bet me with 10,10.Put him on KK,AA,AK,call his flop bet because i got outs to a Str8,when he checks turn is clear he got a small pair or AK maybe AQ???And on river lucky card again and i'm f.... up

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    MP2 (€2)
    MP3 (€1.96)
    Hero (CO) (€1.71)
    Button (€1.94)
    SB (€2.39)
    BB (€1.28)
    UTG (€1.97)
    UTG+1 (€1.41)
    MP1 (€0.69)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q
    5 folds, Hero bets €0.12, Button raises to €0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls €0.18

    Flop: (€0.63) 8, 9, J (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets €0.45, Hero calls €0.45

    Turn: (€1.53) J (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button checks

    River: (€1.53) 10 (2 players)
    Hero bets €0.96 (All-In), Button calls €0.96

    Total pot: €3.45 | Rake: €0.12

    5.Here i am donky boy ,i was thinking i got good equity to stake him,make a STR8 or a flush.At that time i didnt see that i need a 6 to make a Str8,not a 6 or a 10 so low equity and about flush i could be very well out play by a bigger flush so yeah stupid move.


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    MP1 (€2.57)
    MP2 (€2)
    Hero (CO) (€2.33)
    Button (€3.20)
    SB (€2)
    BB (€1.84)
    UTG (€1.71)
    UTG+1 (€5.53)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 9, K
    UTG calls €0.02, 3 folds, Hero bets €0.08, 2 folds, BB calls €0.06, UTG raises to €0.14, Hero calls €0.06, BB calls €0.06

    Flop: (€0.43) 7, 8, 5 (3 players)
    BB checks, UTG bets €0.40, Hero calls €0.40, 1 fold

    Turn: (€1.23) 3 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets €1, UTG raises to €1.17 (All-In), Hero calls €0.17

    River: (€3.57) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: €3.57 | Rake: €0.12

    6.Dont know about this.After his bets on flop and turn looks like dosent have anything,maybe a 10 or a 6 or some small PP and air,when he bets big on river i was thinking he got a Kx maybe K3,K6 so i say lets stack him.....ouch .Very strange play but he fu..s me very nicely,so i think he play very well his hand.Now that i review his hand he can have even a JQ and that will explain the bets,but again i'm a big calling station so cant fold


    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, €0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button (€1.17)
    SB (€2.25)
    Hero (BB) (€1.59)
    UTG (€2.22)
    MP (€3.09)
    CO (€1.97)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, 10
    4 folds, SB calls €0.01, Hero checks

    Flop: (€0.04) 3, 9, 10 (2 players)
    SB bets €0.02, Hero calls €0.02

    Turn: (€0.08) 10 (2 players)
    SB bets €0.06, Hero calls €0.06

    River: (€0.20) K (2 players)
    SB bets €0.92, Hero raises to €1.49 (All-In), SB calls €0.57

    Total pot: €3.18 | Rake: €0.11

    7.Cooler???Should i fold when he re-re-raise me????

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (BB) ($1.65)
    UTG ($1.54)
    MP ($0.82)
    CO ($0.80)
    Button ($0.98)
    SB ($1.94)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, Q
    UTG calls $0.02, 4 folds, Hero checks

    Flop: ($0.05) 5, 9, 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.08, UTG raises to $0.16, Hero raises to $0.34, UTG raises to $0.52, Hero raises to $1.61, UTG calls $1 (All-In)

    Turn: ($3.09) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($3.09) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $3.09 | Rake: $0.11

    8.BIP,BIP,BIP idiots what the hell they have in that head

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, €0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP2 (€1.93)
    CO (€2.03)
    Button (€1.55)
    Hero (SB) (€1.59)
    BB (€0.63)
    UTG (€0.86)
    UTG+1 (€1.51)
    MP1 (€2.18)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K
    1 fold, UTG+1 calls €0.02, 4 folds, Hero bets €0.12, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls €0.10

    Flop: (€0.26) 10, 5, 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets €0.22, UTG+1 raises to €0.44, Hero raises to €1.47 (All-In), UTG+1 calls €0.95 (All-In)

    Turn: (€3.04) Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: (€3.04) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: €3.04 | Rake: €0.11

    9.Another bad move.Even that they are both fishies i should fold on flop or the worst on turn,but hey i want to cooler some one to

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP2 ($2.19)
    MP3 ($1.20)
    CO ($1.96)
    Button ($2.02)
    Hero (SB) ($3.89)
    BB ($2.43)
    UTG ($0.85)
    UTG+1 ($1.43)
    MP1 ($3.74)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A
    1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP2 bets $0.12, MP3 calls $0.12, CO calls $0.12, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.11, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.62) 9, J, 10 (5 players)
    Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.46, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.46, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.46

    Turn: ($2) 8 (3 players)
    Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.85 (All-In), MP3 calls $0.62 (All-In), Hero calls $0.85

    River: ($4.32) 4 (3 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: $4.32 | Rake: $0.15

    10.Of course 28/15 villian

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB ($2.07)
    BB ($2.03)
    UTG ($1.89)
    Hero (MP1) ($1.93)
    MP2 ($3.01)
    CO ($2)
    Button ($3.14)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, Q
    UTG calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.12, 5 folds, UTG calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.27) 9, 4, 7 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $0.22, UTG calls $0.22

    Turn: ($0.71) 7 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $0.56, UTG calls $0.56

    River: ($1.83) 10 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero checks

    Total pot: $1.83 | Rake: $0.06

    and graph
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    P.S i hope i wasnt to boring and too whiny GL!!!!!!!!!!
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    honestly I think you should start posting some of these hands in the BC. just using your blog as a place to post your beats is a bit of a waste of your energy.
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  58. #58
    Stay chill nobody cares about this blog or this hands except me.I write here when i dont have anythig better to do and to keep a journal about my play.Is funny to see how i was thinking then and now.And if somebody want to say something is ok if not same.Anyway this blog is not to complain,even if it looks like that,but for me is normal to put my losing hands at review(if some one watch them) not the winning ones.

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