Operation: VPP ACCUMULATION

2011 goals:
1) earn a minimum of 600,000 VPPs
2) focus on 6max cash games (45, 90, and 180 man MTT's will provide secondary study/grind for when I burn out from cash)
3) learn how to effectively play multiple stacks sizes well - this means I will be studying 20bb, 30bb, 40bb, 50bb - 100bb play.
4) wake up before noon regularly
5) [insert more goals here later]

I'll think about more later. GL to everyone this year in life, poker etc etc etc. VPP updates to come. Play well!

Heh, is #3 for tournaments or cash or both? 50bb max tilts me

Good luck!

GL m2m I'll be keeping up with your progress. Will you still be coaching fr in '11?

I won't be coaching for the time being (this month) but might after.

#3 is for cash, and I am confident it will help my tournament play as well when away from the bubble (where $ev is near = cEV).

For cash NLHE, how much do you play 50bb max versus 100bb max versus 250bb max? This go around, I'm trying to stay away from 50bb max and 250bb max and just stick with 100bb max, but we'll see. The ratholers and constant shoving just tilts me to no end.

Gogogogogo M2M. Ship da manies

ewwwww SnGs. Better start with the 2/180s, those high stake 180 mans can be some real variance man

oh that m2m and his vpps
another year of pwn da fish imo
gogogogogogo

INB4 tilt/rant ~March 13th.

Beware the Ides of March yo.

Operation get to High Stakes?

pretty sure you earn vpps fast at 25-50, don't think he mentioned how he plans to earn those veeps

Originally Posted by CBAT

Operation get to High Stakes?

Right now my focus is improving my game and tilt control, as well as discipline and work ethic towards playing more. Just going to take things one step at a time, and since my volume is pathetic I've decided to work my goals around that (getting up earlier to get more hands in etc). So far I feel pretty good about it. Sunlight is nice

Originally Posted by Jason

For cash NLHE, how much do you play 50bb max versus 100bb max versus 250bb max? This go around, I'm trying to stay away from 50bb max and 250bb max and just stick with 100bb max, but we'll see. The ratholers and constant shoving just tilts me to no end.

so far this year I've only played 50bb max for a few reasons, the #1 reason being how I lose money tilting when playing deep has been crushing me for awhile now.

Originally Posted by d0zer

ewwwww SnGs. Better start with the 2/180s, those high stake 180 mans can be some real variance man

I play the $12's

Originally Posted by Roid_Rage

INB4 tilt/rant ~March 13th.

Beware the Ides of March yo.

I do enough tilting at the tables there won't be any in this thread.




So far I've gotten up before noon every day this year. My alarm goes off at 9:00am and I give myself till about 9:30 to get out of bed. I can't fall back asleep because my alarm is a massive stereo that is set to play loud house music. I also can't just roll over and shut it off because it's across the room and out of reach from my bed. Also, I'm still going to be posting on my site Blog | three-pair.com, but making an Operation thread to keep me motivated felt like a good idea since it's more manageable and I feel more in touch with the FTR community by posting here frequently.

As of this update I have 3,730 VPPs which I feel isn't too bad given that I took the 1st off and only had a half day the 2nd. More VPP's to be accumulated later.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Right now my focus is improving my game and tilt control, as well as discipline and work ethic towards playing more. Just going to take things one step at a time, and since my volume is pathetic I've decided to work my goals around that (getting up earlier to get more hands in etc). So far I feel pretty good about it. Sunlight is nice

M2M I'm just curious do you/have you experimented with the different times to see which are more +EV for you? Seems to me there is a pretty big difference if I play in the am vs the pm. Really just curious more than anything!

Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13

M2M I'm just curious do you/have you experimented with the different times to see which are more +EV for you? Seems to me there is a pretty big difference if I play in the am vs the pm. Really just curious more than anything!

Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13

M2M I'm just curious do you/have you experimented with the different times to see which are more +EV for you? Seems to me there is a pretty big difference if I play in the am vs the pm. Really just curious more than anything!

I haven't really caught a pattern other than the games (from 200nl-600nl) seem softest during the early hours of the morning by eastern time, 4-7am. I know because I used to be up playing them but found I was always tired and played super bad/spewy during these period so that's why I'm on a new schedule. Seems fairly neutral from about 11am-11pm.

They seem to shift from good to meh to good at different times throughout the whole day which I would guess to be random. It mostly just depends on how many tables are being started/have open seats because recreational players just join the first seat they see in the lobby. When all the tables are really full and no one starts any, the fish will go do something else.

There's probably other players who are mega grinders that could comment better on this, though.

Since when does shooting for 600k VPPs not constitute you as a 'mega grinder?'

hah, well I guess it depends on what stakes I put the most volume in at.

so far I'm averaging about 1k VPPs a day but expect that to gradually rise.

1k x 365 = 365k w/ no days off! better double that shit!

so far I have 1k/day for 7 days so I'm going to work on gradually increasing that, moving up to 1.25k/day for the next week. I think this is probably the best way to approach it as I'll slowly have to play more sessions/add tables throughout the year. I think just jumping from 1k-2k though will only lead me to burnout :O

Thinking through the shit and having a plan is so +ev. Keep it up!

Good call M. I'm also doing the grind more thing this year and it really does need to be a sort of gradual process. Obviously we all know that suddenly jumping from 6 to 12 tables can be disastrous but I think it's also true with grinding 2-3 hour long sessions to 4-5 1.5 sessions.

Keep pushing yourself but never sacrifice mental state for a flexible goal regardless of how much your ego wants you to think you need to rush things (trust me I know :P). Keep it up buddy n grind hard.

proabbly the highlight of the year so far:

Dealer: Game #55728446196: newguy89 wins pot ($94.80) with a flush, King high
Dealer: Hand cancelled
SlappaDaACE: go pick some cotton
SlappaDaACE: you n.i.g.g.e..r

haha, too bad you are pretty damn white

glgl, will watch your progress.



Also,

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

proabbly the highlight of the year so far:

Dealer: Game #55728446196: newguy89 wins pot ($94.80) with a flush, King high
Dealer: Hand cancelled
SlappaDaACE: go pick some cotton
SlappaDaACE: you n.i.g.g.e..r

loool

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

proabbly the highlight of the year so far:

Dealer: Game #55728446196: newguy89 wins pot ($94.80) with a flush, King high
Dealer: Hand cancelled
SlappaDaACE: go pick some cotton
SlappaDaACE: you n.i.g.g.e..r

That's fucking great!

ok so quick update. I just got a new kitten and it has been pretty demanding over the past few days lol. So I'm only averaging 1k vpp/day this month however I'm positive I will see an increase in my average over the next few weeks.

You know that gansta poster just make no sense now. Actually you lost all your street cred.

this kitten is ballin. its a pure bred siamese. ill post pics later lol
btw i dont think i mentioned anything about that pic but its pretty fing awesome well done d dawg

in - glglgl

Hitler owned a kitten... just sayin.

bahahaha

this cat is for sure a nazi. its driving me insane . there's gotta be something in its food..

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

proabbly the highlight of the year so far:

Dealer: Game #55728446196: newguy89 wins pot ($94.80) with a flush, King high
Dealer: Hand cancelled
SlappaDaACE: go pick some cotton
SlappaDaACE: you n.i.g.g.e..r

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Two things to focus on this weekend while playing:
1) table selection
2) taking more time on the river

3) abandoning the VPP collection, and playing more fish on a different site!

Originally Posted by griffey24

3) abandoning the VPP collection, and playing more fish on a different site!

well as long as I keep my aim for 600k I'll get 300-400k lol

Originally Posted by griffey24

3) abandoning the VPP collection, and playing more fish on a different site!

Ya, m2m, I don't know how the rakeback calculations would work out, but whatever the highest stake you are beating at Stars, you could jump up at least one stake @ Full Tilt for the same or even better win-rate I think if you table selected ... and since you're in Canada, you have access to other sites that may have more fish, too. But, I understand the VIP program is worth a lot of money by itself and Stars has a great customer support and interface, too.

But, if Stars drops 50bb max, the games will get good again and we can all move up a stake and stay at Stars.

FTP won't give me rakeback.

But yeah, hopefully the merge the games to 100bb and bring poker back to life, if not I'll probably end up playing somewhere else that is available for Canadian players. (Already going to be adding another site to the mix sometime in the next couple weeks I think)

Decided to play some HU today. Ended up playing some nitty guy who quit me relatively fast. My session stats over about 30 hands were 74/70, 100% ats, 56% 3bet.

Dealer: Game #56472080971: newguy89 wins pot ($0.50)
Dealer: Game #56472082422: newguy89 wins pot ($1)
Dealer: Game #56472084075: newguy89 wins pot ($0.50)
Dealer: Game #56472085403: newguy89 wins pot ($2.85)
Dealer: Game #56472091582: newguy89 wins pot ($3)
Dealer: Game #56472093986: newguy89 wins pot ($1)
Dealer: Game #56472095573: newguy89 wins pot ($3)
Dealer: Hand cancelled
newguy89: YOU CANT HANDLE THIS

how many VPP's do you have already? 600k VPP's is pretty insane; that's like 1M hands at 200nl+ right?

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

FTP won't give me rakeback.

Hey buddy check out this link. I was successful in getting RB from FTP after I already signed up. Just have to be persistant. http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...up-167124.html


Let me know if you will be available sometime this week. Would like to do anther sweat session if you're up to it sometime?

Okay I've been down swinging really hard lately. Here's the highlights: I take a shot at some soft 3/6-5/10 games, run like crap, then stick to 1/2-2/4, run like crap, then move down to .5/1 and play awful. Hooray. I pretty much feel like I can't even beat this game anymore.

So I'm going to just take a big step back and grind 50nl *gasp* because everyone who plays 50nl is a huge moron so surely I can beat that. I will be playing everything (HU, 6max, FR), and once I feel confident in my game for each specific variant I will move up to 100nl.

In the past I've used this technique to get myself out of ruts and it's worked well. I will try and post hands in here and get things moving forward. I guess I might take some heat for moving down so low but I don't care. I know this will be the best way out of this hole for the long term. I also am eager to get back playing higher so I can earn more VPPs, so I am gonna grind really hard to get there. I'm going to try and take heads up very seriously, and I will look to mostly start games to keep at it aside from playing on HU exclusive tables. Gonna try game selecting well too for a change.

I'm not sure how long I should grind 50s..might just be a few days? If you guys have any suggestions let me know..like a certain # of hands or buyins won (doesn't have to be crazy just some sort of minimum target to obtain).

I think your ability to move flexibly between stakes is a great characteristic for the sake of your confidence and bankroll. I'm starting to do the same thing after I've had 2-3 bad sessions at 100nl.

If you're 6-10 tabling, I'd say 5k hands of 50nl 6max will be enough to wash away any of the mental/technical errors that may have crept into your game.

yah I'm agree, I'm impressed with your flexibility of moving up/down. I'm usually stubborn and just ride out the waves haha.

I think moving down when downswinging is really good, although don't overdo it. You don't need to play 5k hands at 50nl when you played 1000nl a few days before, that seems a bit extreme and unnecessary imo?

Also yah.. I don't see how its possible to go from 3/6-5/10 games/variance into 50nl-100nl and not SPEW HUUUGE.

But maybe that's just me!

Originally Posted by griffey24

Also yah.. I don't see how its possible to go from 3/6-5/10 games/variance into 50nl-100nl and not SPEW HUUUGE.

But maybe that's just me!

The spew is probably just you (LOL), but I'm thinking it's just a waste of time if you're comfortable at 100/200nl already.

Originally Posted by Alexos

I think moving down when downswinging is really good, although don't overdo it. You don't need to play 5k hands at 50nl when you played 1000nl a few days before, that seems a bit extreme and unnecessary imo?

this

Hey I'm willing to try your technique myself since I've dropped 5bi's in the last 3 days. Good luck we all know you'll be right back in no time!

I'm playing 50nl because I'm putting about 2/3 of my attention towards getting better at heads up (I'm a lifetime lose at HU cash so I'm starting low), and because I think I can actually achieve about the same hourly as playing 100nl but with lower variance, I'm sticking it out here for a few days.

Also, I said I'd post a hand a day so here's one I'm kind of meh about.

I can't remember the exact dynamic we had but I didn't have much of a read other than he'd been super aggro so far and has not been folding his big blind at all to my opens. He bought in full and is only raising his button so I'm assuming he's a reg/semi reg who is a bit on the laggy side. He had c/r'd a couple of my cbets and I folded 2/2.

I felt like if I fire this turn I have to fire river as well to get all pairs (22-88) worse than Jx or some random Ax or Kx flop peel that picked up a fd to fold so my turn barrel itself is bleh I guess because it's really only going to be +EV in conjuntion with firing the river given a specific read he is capable of folding stuff...which btw I don't have...so I guess this is a leak?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($63.45)
BB ($66.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2, 10
Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3) 3, J, 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB calls $2

Turn: ($7) 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5

River: ($17) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $13

That hand is completely dependent on his ability to fold to a triple. I don't think its too bad, and if he calls you it seems fine to get caught in a bluff early.

If he's so aggro, then he'd be the type to c/r a lot of FD's on the flop, so I don't mind it.

Originally Posted by griffey24

That hand is completely dependent on his ability to fold to a triple. I don't think its too bad, and if he calls you it seems fine to get caught in a bluff early.

If he's so aggro, then he'd be the type to c/r a lot of FD's on the flop, so I don't mind it.

yeah my thinking was its hard for him to have a flush or a 3 because he probably c/r's those on flop a lot of the time, hard to have JJ or 99 because he'd likely 3bet pre so his range is capped at like KJ or JT depending on what the cutoff is for him 3betting vs calling Jx broadway hands.

$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Holdem
2 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
SB Hero ($64.30)
BB xxx ($58.30)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) Hero is SB
Hero raises to $1.50, xxx calls $1

Flop: ($3, 2 players)
xxx checks, Hero bets $2, xxx raises to $4, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($11, 2 players)
xxx bets $12, Hero calls $12

River: ($35, 2 players)
xxx folds

Final Pot: $35

Hero wins $34.50 (net +$17)

xxx lost $17.50


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is there anything better than that (ppl open-folding into you)?
except when you have da trips...

btw in a vaccum i hate betting the river in the 2Tcc hand, feels like any aggro hand reader will put you on a ton of turn semi-bluffs and call.

gl with the grinding... and stay on stars and away from my games!

update:

so I played about 3-4k hands of 50nl and finished up about 11bi's before the weekend. I chose to move as low as 50nl because I didn't feel like I could lose there at all so even though it sounds stupid for me to waste time there the confidence boost it gave me to play higher over the weekend was more +EV than only dropping down 1 stake because I felt good enough to sit at 10/20 for the first time - which I did for 42 hands :P

haha oh man. woulda been great to play like a huge spazz at 50nl... have ppl think you're a fish and then chase you to 10/20

<m2mfood> 7,532 hands
<m2mfood> > 3k VPPs
<m2mfood> i am about to pass out
<m2mfood> gn
* m2mfood is now known as m2msleep

alright so far I have 10,206 VPP's this month.

for the weekend I am going to focus solely on 2/4 6max and FR. if that goes well then I may browse bigger games but to help me put in consistent volume I'm going to aim to keep at the same stakes which in turn should help me pick up some good reads on the regs I'll be facing. if the games are completely ass shit then I guess I'll play 1/2, but I'll most likely be toughing it out because I really want to keep pace for a 100k VPP month which would be HUGE

SuperNova in a month? That's unpossible!

Originally Posted by Jason

SuperNova in a month?

do it!
and run good at the same time

I'll start posting VPP updates in this thread and then for once in way too long of a time update my blog on my site (later) and throw up some pics of my new cat.

I just passed the 50k mark today and am gonna push real hard to hit 100k this month with intentions of exceeding that to push my 'VPP pace' between 600k and SNE. Then willl re-eval later in year if I want to go beyond 600.

VPPs (month): 15,360

VPPs (year): 53,340

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

VPPs (month): 15,360

VPPs (year): 53,340

Pace: ~90k for the month! Keep it up!

20,129 on yhe month now sleep

hah, good to see I have at least 1 loyal follower of this blog.

23,757 on the month now sleep

passed the 30k vpp mark for the month.

potentially going to try catching SNE pace. food then grind then sleep hola.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

passed the 30k vpp mark for the month.

potentially going to try catching SNE pace. food then grind then sleep hola.

Good job man!

What's the total value in bonuses etc for hitting SNE for the year? Or is the real big bonus in the grind the following year?

Originally Posted by griffey24

Good job man!

What's the total value in bonuses etc for hitting SNE for the year? Or is the real big bonus in the grind the following year?

Assuming my math is correct, if you start the year from SuperNova, SNE is 60.24% rakeback @ FullRing and 55.22% rakeback @ 6max. It equates to $100,399.55 of Stellar, Milestone, and FPP cash. There is also some added value in the form of freerolls and you get to pick a live major tournament I believe. Keep in mind to get SNE, you need to generate $208,333.33 of rake @ full ring or $227,272.73 @ 6max.

Best of luck if you can do that.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

passed the 30k vpp mark for the month.

potentially going to try catching SNE pace. food then grind then sleep hola.

tasty zzzzzzzzzzz
keep it up!

So I now have 38,500 VPPs this month which is more than I got last month - only its been 11 and a half days of grinding.

I'm averaging 10hrs a day right now and if I keep it up I should catch up to SNE pace pretty quick as I'm doing like 1.25m+ atm..

I'm off to get breakfast then go to bed so I'll leave it at that.

holy shit that's some work ethic!

I dunno what it is but something just clicked in my mind that I have the power to change my life so I am going to do just that by sacrificing freedom now for freedom later. I mean I always knew this yeah..just never really felt it.

I have 42,052 VPPs on the month. 80,032 on the year. If I grind 3,500 VPP
s tomorrow I'll have enough FPPs to cash me a 4k bonus

This is quite the epic grind you have going on. I'll be checking in, GL

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

I'm averaging 10hrs a day right now and if I keep it up I should catch up to SNE pace pretty quick as I'm doing like 1.25m+ atm..

Damn.. this is pretty sick. Good luck man!

What's the goal on the ACTUAL poker side throughout all this? What is a reasonable win-rate while accomplishing this?

Run it Ryan, you're pretty inspirational. Keep it up buddy and post a garf some time :P