Operation: VPP ACCUMULATION

Originally Posted by griffey24

Damn.. this is pretty sick. Good luck man!

What's the goal on the ACTUAL poker side throughout all this? What is a reasonable win-rate while accomplishing this?

.5-1ptbb would be good I think. I'm not really thinking about win rates at the table at all, just focusing on making every +EV decision I can and exploiting people the best I can.

I'm going to try table selecting better when I play higher, but when I'm playing 1/2 it's much less of a priority.

Giraffe has been demanded, giraffe must be given.

Originally Posted by Donachello

Run it Ryan, you're pretty inspirational. Keep it up buddy and post a garf some time :P

I'll start posting my monthly graphs now since they will all be >100k hands and pretty funny cuz my variance is wack.

Originally Posted by Roid_Rage

Giraffe has been demanded, giraffe must be given.

Feb 28th you will have it sir

btw thanks everyone for the good luck wishes

lets hope my hand doesnt fall off

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Feb 28th you will have it sir

btw thanks everyone for the good luck wishes

lets hope my hand doesnt fall off

All those years of wacking off finally showing some profit. Hand of steel, amirite?

Just reached my 4k bonus. Seriously considering getting a 4k cashout and then rubbing that money all over my titties. Next one will come in around the yearly 155k mark.

VPP month: 45,462
VPP year: 83,442

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Just reached my 4k bonus. Seriously considering getting a 4k cashout and then rubbing that money all over my titties.

just find some titties to rub that money over = all good

passed 50k mark for the month

todays highlight:

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
3 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN yyy($149)
SB Hero ($371.65)
BB xxx ($20.45)

yyy folds, Hero raises to $8, xxx calls $4

Flop: ($16, 2 players)
Hero bets $8, xxx goes all-in $12.45, Hero says "son of a *****", Hero says "did not see stack size lol", Hero says "assdfgdghfghjghklhl", Hero calls $4.45

Turn: ($40.90, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($40.90, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $40.90
xxx shows

Hero shows a straight, Four to Eight


Hero wins $39.90 (net +$19.45)

xxx lost $20.45



LOL SHIP IT

you are a big inspiration for me to reach 200k VPPs this year. How do you keep your brain from turning to mush?!

Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill

you are a big inspiration for me to reach 200k VPPs this year. How do you keep your brain from turning to mush?!

Idk but if it is turning to mush I probably am not noticing

VPP month: 54,157
VPP year: 92,138

And now I'm going to sleep. I should hit my 100k milestone by the weekend and lock in Supernova status for another year.

If you're gonna use up your suckouts, you should at least suckout vs KKK there.. come on!

reach 100k milestone after grinding >10k hands today

62,206 on the month

congrats, keep up the hard work!

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

reach 100k milestone after grinding >10k hands today

62,206 on the month

wow
nh sir
keep it up
healthy food and sleep and exercise ftw

Current status: Supernova
This month: collected 71,151.30 VPP
This year: collected 109,131.80 VPP

You need to earn 890,868.20 VPP by Dec 31, 2011 to achieve Supernova Elite

BRING IT ON IMO

damnn

you got it imo

you will never get this you will never get this lalalallaa

Originally Posted by CBAT

you will never get this you will never get this lalalallaa

hahaha my retarded cousin peelo

your no lifing abilities are dwarfing my no lifing abilities. well done

Originally Posted by bikes

your no lifing abilities are dwarfing my no lifing abilities. well done

yeah def haven't been doing anything but poker lately though free time is a sacrifice I am willing to make. good to see you grindin hard as well.

Here's my plan for time as of now:
I take one day off this month (the 28th) to get out of town then its back to the grind for all of march (minus 1 day somewhere). April will be the same plan only I'll be taking a couple days off around my birthday to go somewhere. Then for May I'm getting the fk out of the country for 1-2 weeks - either somewhere in the usa or the Caribbean with the gf and some friends to celebrate their graduation. From June-September I'll take more days off than I do now but I need to catch SNE pace before I work on maintaining it. Ideally I'd get it done before December 1st and have all the free time I could ask for around the holidays, so that's the goal.

oh and by take a day off I mean not play enough to get >3k VPP's in a day. I will probably still play most of my 'off' days, just low volume.

since I'm posting an update I'll give the count as of mid-day. still gonna grind another 4kish hands before bed then its up early again.

month: 75,850
year: 113,831

lol you're giving the term "grinder" a good name.

just don't become your avatar imo

Originally Posted by kfaess

lol you're giving the term "grinder" a good name.

just don't become your avatar imo

Too late! Maybe not the NIT part as much.

whats your table average during this epic grind?

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

whats your table average during this epic grind?

up to 10 6max, up to 18 full ring. the actual amount varies alot depending on stakes, how i feel, what my goals are for the day. today im working on a few things so have just been 4-6 tabling 6max. tomorrow will probably be a heavy volume day 9 tabling 6max.

once i get my reads/notes on all the regs taken care of and plug some leaks that have popped up I think I'll be able to get more tables in and play less often.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

once i get my reads/notes on all the regs taken care of and plug some leaks that have popped up I think I'll be able to get more tables in and play less often.

More tables, more often imo

And now for a CAP review: (or shall I say, crap review?)

After playing 107k hands of 1/2 CAP I am up a measly $510 (.24bb/100 win rate)

This isn't necessarily terrible for not having any experience playing as a 20bber aside from dealing with them in 50bb max games as the expected win rate in this game is low (1-2bb is solid, rake at 1/2 is shit etc). I have learned a ton after doing a massive review of the hands I played (filtered for 3bet and called 3bet, open bvb, call open bvb etc) and have gotten a good idea of what I need to do to start winning. The variance in this game is kinda sick but should become smoother as I get better.

Graph for the lol's:





(the massive downswing near the end was me making a fuck ton of terrible shoves and calls so hopefully I won't end up monkey spewing like that again for awhile...)

I'm going to be getting back playing 100bb games for sure in March because after dipping into them a bit this month I've noticed they are pretty good. The only problem with them and going for SNE is vpp rates suck because of all the nit fags who 1) fold alot and 2) take 96 seconds on their bank before every fucking action. Oh well. Ideally I'll get a handle on CAP, 16 table it and get SNE by Septemeber (sick!) then grind the last few months of the year at 100bb to stack up some earnings in the 'money won at the tables' area of my profit. I'm also considering picking a month of the year to just grind 100nl full ring and play >300k hands. Not so sure about that one yet though, lol.

I can't really complain being up 5.7k in rakeback this month. Still have 3 more days to play then I'm off to Toronto for a getaway. The life of an FPP pro is tough I tell ya

For this year I am not going to track earnings at the tables (I will explain more on this later about my recently improved worth ethic via a new philosophy). I'll post the total every few weeks I guess, will try to keep it up to date with each new milestone reached. I'll hit 200k sometime in March.

vpp for the month: 86,406
vpp for the year: 124,386

Running count of year profit (fpps earned + stellar/milestone rewards - does not include table profit):

FPP: $6965.62
Bonus: $1200.00
Total: $8165.62

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

And now for a CAP review: (or shall I say, crap review?)

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

I'm going to be getting back playing 100bb games for sure in March because after dipping into them a bit this month I've noticed they are pretty good. The only problem with them and going for SNE is vpp rates suck because of all the nit fags who 1) fold alot and 2) take 96 seconds on their bank before every fucking action. Oh well. Ideally I'll get a handle on CAP, 16 table it and get SNE by Septemeber (sick!) then grind the last few months of the year at 100bb to stack up some earnings in the 'money won at the tables' area of my profit.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

I can't really complain being up 5.7k in rakeback this month. Still have 3 more days to play then I'm off to Toronto for a getaway. The life of an FPP pro is tough I tell ya

For this year I am not going to track earnings at the tables (I will explain more on this later about my recently improved worth ethic via a new philosophy).

Sounds like you're doing a lot of soul searching. I know it's tough to balance table profits versus rake profits versus moving up stakes versus maximizing hourly and a million other thing, especially if you don't have a day job and poker is your livelihood, but FWIW, you seem too good to me to be worrying with CAP games. No explicit disrespect to players who play CAP versus 100bb NLHE but you can make so much more money at the table and with rakeback as a successful 100bb NLHE player. Playing 1/2 CAP when you could play NLHE 100bb stacks @ 1/2 and higher just seems like a really bad idea. If you're looking to expand yourself, I think you should look to 100bb 6max whenever you can find good games, not CAP.

I think an argument could have been made in the old style games to play 50bb max because they had so many fish compared to 100bb max, but now NLHE has fish again. So, if you were winning before, you should be winning even more now. Right? Unless I'm missing something like you really enjoy CAP or found a way to make a lot more money, why wouldn't you stick with what you've been doing? Especially in your case where you played 50bb min over 20bb min back in the day and chose 100bb max over 50bb max just recently.

hard to argue wif 100k+ imo at 1ptbb prolly liek 160+

Originally Posted by bikes

hard to argue wif 100k+ imo at 1ptbb prolly liek 160+

Meh ... everyone is different, so everyone should follow their heart or the money trail. For me personally, I look up to and admire successful 100bb max NLHE players MUCH MUCH more than I do successful ratholers/CAP players. And I think the former usually make a lot more money overall, too.

Explain to us how playing CAP makes one a ratholer?

All the ratholing regulars play 100bb poker now.

Oh and I'm not just trying to become a successful CAP player, I am trying to become BOTH a successful CAP player and 100bb player. That is way more powerful than just being able to play one game imo.

Also,

Originally Posted by Jason

And I think the former usually make a lot more money overall, too.

I think you are underestimating the power of the Pokerstars VIP system.

Originally Posted by Jason

Meh ... everyone is different, so everyone should follow their heart or the money trail. For me personally, I look up to and admire successful 100bb max NLHE players MUCH MUCH more than I do successful ratholers/CAP players. And I think the former usually make a lot more money overall, too.

Wizardofahhs has made a lot more then Justforfunds, DOUCY?

When I typed CAP/Ratholer, I wasn't implying that playing CAP makes you a ratholer. I was implying that the CAP gameplay of today on Stars was equivalent to the rathole play on NLHE of yesterday. Ratholing is finally and officially dead on Stars. Even with a handful of 50bb max tables left, they are always waitlisted and can't effectively be ratholed

Well, I hope you're successful being successful at both if that's what you want to do. Based on the fact I thought you avoided 20bb min in favor of 50bb min and avoided 50bb max in favor of 100bb max, it's odd to see that you've added CAP into your mix as those games encompass exactly EVERYTHING that was bad about 20bb min and 50bb max from the POV of a 100bb NLHE player. Plus, with the new structures, I assumed you'd be eager to resurvey the landscape at 100bb max NLHE to see if the games have gotten better or easier, but it appears you were more interested in CAP.

Like I said, I know it's tough to manage all those variables and I'm not criticizing or suggesting you take a different path.

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

Wizardofahhs has made a lot more then Justforfunds, DOUCY?

I seriously doubt that and it's DUCY. DUCY?

And, my guess is that you think Wizardofahhs's rakeback makes up the deficit. Assuming they are both SNE, Wizard would have to put a TON more volume than Nolan, and I don't think he can/does. Just look at their earnings and rakeback. If Wizardofahhs made 100% rakeback, he'd barely catch up with JustForFunds and then you have to figure JustForFunds has a lot of rakeback, too, albeit not as much as Wizardofahhs.

And, my main point is there's several successful players like Justforfunds. There's not nearly as many "Wizardofahh" and next to no one strives to be like them: especially players who can play 100bb max NLHE.

Are you aware Wizardofahhs made roughly $400,000 in rakeback last year?

You're either really bad at math or didn't look at how much wizardofahhs has paid in rake. Either way you're wrong. That's even chatter about this subject though. There are many reasons to play CAP as there are many reasons to play DS. Something the pros of one outweighs the pros of the other. I'm pretty sure m2m is smart enough to understand the advantages and disadvantages to what he's trying to accomplish here.

Originally Posted by Jason

I seriously doubt that and it's DUCY. DUCY?

And, my guess is that you think Wizardofahhs's rakeback makes up the deficit. Assuming they are both SNE, Wizard would have to put a TON more volume than Nolan, and I don't think he can/does. Just look at their earnings and rakeback. If Wizardofahhs made 100% rakeback, he'd barely catch up with JustForFunds and then you have to figure JustForFunds has a lot of rakeback, too, albeit not as much as Wizardofahhs.

And, my main point is there's several successful players like Justforfunds. There's not nearly as many "Wizardofahh" and next to no one strives to be like them: especially players who can play 100bb max NLHE.

you are just lacking knowledge in this department:

Rudder1ess Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars
noobelf Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars
myzikant Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars
MistTheFlop Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars
camptheblunt Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars
Chisness Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars
IMSAKIDD Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars
Pillars Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars
NutPopper Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars
x_QUIXTAR_x Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars

All play short/cap

Yeah, but ALL SNE players pull 6 figure rakeback. And, the top echelon of NLHE players make a heck of a lot more than $400k at the tables, let alone rakeback. Granted, not all of us can reach that, but the same can be said for playing 5 million hands and generating 3 million VPP's.

my point in posting those links was to show that some are up nearly a million at the tables (quix) and aren't just making profit from VPPs

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

you are just lacking knowledge in this department:

Rudder1ess Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars
noobelf Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars
myzikant Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars
MistTheFlop Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars
camptheblunt Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars
Chisness Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars
IMSAKIDD Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars
Pillars Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars
NutPopper Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars
x_QUIXTAR_x Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars

All play short/cap

I can EASILY name 10 successful 100bb players for every successful ratholer/cap player you quote: Ivey, Durrr, Krantz, Isildur, Nanonoko, Negreanu, Whitelime, Ansky, FlawlessVictory, NL__Fool, and countless others. Again, who would most players rather be in a vacuum if you could choose? I don't think I'm lacking in this department. I've spent a LOT of time thinking about it actually. My conclusions could be wrong, but not for lack of effort

And, yes, some players can and do turn profit, but a LOT of players, myself included, believe that most successful ratholers/CAP players would make more money playing full. It's not a set in stone rule or law, but it's a general principle I think is true. The talent that allows them to make money with a shorter stack literally CAPs their win-rate.

Quixtar is a fucking beast o_O

over half those guys you listed play nosebleeds and are not grinders.

I wasn't trying to name grinders or non-grinders. I'm just pointing out that there is potentially greater profitability being a 100bb max NLHE player versus CAP. The fact that WizardOfaahs isn't a nosebleed player and he's the best of the best in CAP and there aren't any nosebleed CAP players says volumes in and of itself. Also, to be as successful as WizardOfaahs, you MUST put in a ton of volume and be a grinder. The reverse is not a requirement of 100bb max NLHE players.

well if you don't want to be a grinder you're doing it wrong playing 100bb full ring.

you should be playing HUNL.

oh wait HU is dead. that explains why >90% of the guys who play nosebleeds today have been around playing them for years.

how do you grind for SNE and maintain a relationship at the same time? do you live together?

Originally Posted by courtiebee

how do you grind for SNE and maintain a relationship at the same time? do you live together?

we don't live together but my gf lives about 10min from me so being close in distance makes things easier.

she's in school right now full time so she's actually just as busy as I am with work. lately we tend to do more 'productive' things together, and by that I mean go out to lunch/dinner together more often or if I need to pick some things up at the store we go together. its necessary to eat so we tend to share that time more often now, instead of before where sitting around doing nothing/watching tv was considered hanging out. we still get out to the movies every once and awhile, and usually sit down and watch 1-2 a week. she often has a few hours of break time around lunch so we usually get food then chill for a couple hours before she has to get back to class, then I hit the grind around 4-5pm.

I've explained my plans to her for the year about spending more time on poker and she supports/understands all of it. since we won't see each other as often on a regular work week, we have decided to take a few vacations together this year. tomorrow we're going to spend a night in toronto at the hyatt. after her graduation we are going somewhere in the caribbean (cuba maybe), then next on the list is a trip to new york city (fall).

as for VPPs, I think I would have made my 100k goal for the month had there been more days in February :P I'm taking tomorrow off so I will fall short unless I put in a seriously epic grind later today.

VPP month: 95,497
VPP year: 133,477

23,372 off pace..I think I'll be able to knock this down to even by the end of March.

catch ya'll later.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

as for VPPs, I think I would have made my 100k goal for the month had there been more days in February :P I'm taking tomorrow off so I will fall short unless I put in a seriously epic grind later today.

VPP month: 95,497
VPP year: 133,477

23,372 off pace..I think I'll be able to knock this down to even by the end of March.

catch ya'll later.

nice work dude. 31*95.5/28 and crush the 100k+ in march!

thanks man

defo gonna try for >100k vpps this month. will be a bit of a slow start because I'm working on a few things playing less tables. should be up to a more high volume grind before next week.

I wrote up a lengthy update in my blog here: three-pair.com

what I think I'll do is post more quick updates here like VPP counts and other random shit. I'll be posting longer more in depth shit in blog and will probably contain more life updates and trip reports etc that way I can keep both going because lately I've been only posting here and have neglected the blog I put lots of work (and even money!) into.

cheers

Awesome post in your blog! And good luck!

this grind is pretty sick. 200k hands in March.. damnn good luck man you can do it!

Hand/VPP race this month imo.

race to 200k hands and at least 100k VPPs?

10,211 vpp this month

146,727 on year. its time too get grindin'

should not have posted graph, second 25/50 shot didn't go too hot lol

Insane opp! Gl for the rest if the year!
Do you use any AHK script or table ninja?

... but at least you sat in a 25/50 game, a goal I remember setting for myself back when H@LLenggoll was running the streets! props

do your have any pain in your eyes from having to put in such massive hand volume? my eyes have been bothering me a bit lately and I think it's from my computer screen

Visine, its not just for stoners. <- New campaign ad imo.

Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill

... but at least you sat in a 25/50 game, a goal I remember setting for myself back when H@LLenggoll was running the streets! props

do your have any pain in your eyes from having to put in such massive hand volume? my eyes have been bothering me a bit lately and I think it's from my computer screen

just water lol. I have been thinking about getting these though:

PokerStars VIP Store - Poker Merchandise - Poker Apparel and Clothing

Originally Posted by downunder

Insane opp! Gl for the rest if the year!
Do you use any AHK script or table ninja?

yes I use table ninja. it's friggin awesome because I have hot keys setup that save me a few mouse clicks. I also have tables that need attention highlighted which is great when tiling.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

race to 200k hands and at least 100k VPPs?

Orly?

those glasses cost ~$120 in FPPs! I don't think they're worth it, yet.

how's the grind going?

Ive heard nothing but good things about the gunnars. Might be better just to order them from their website though.

Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill

those glasses cost ~$120 in FPPs! I don't think they're worth it, yet.

how's the grind going?

by my math it's more like 200 (12k @ .016$). Various models are 100-120$ on newegg or other websites. Also heard good things about them though.

Just saw this thread and been looking into these gunnars. Think I might get them.

Got laser eye surgery like 6 or so months ago, and ever since then my eyes strain quite a bit more easily. Will keep you posted!

Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill

those glasses cost ~$120 in FPPs! I don't think they're worth it, yet.

how's the grind going?

good man, how's aussie land? stupid question, it's clearly awesome and as I read your blog you sound like you are really enjoying it.

regarding the gunners I decided to go ahead and order them from the stars store the other day. I didn't do my research or anything about getting them elsewhere mostly because I didn't want to be bothered since I've been playing so much and I make that many fpp's in less than a day anyway. might be able to get a better price though.

when they arrive I will let you guys know what I think of them.

Originally Posted by griffey24

Just saw this thread and been looking into these gunnars. Think I might get them.

Got laser eye surgery like 6 or so months ago, and ever since then my eyes strain quite a bit more easily. Will keep you posted!

if you find a place to get them for less than stars store let us know!

I'ma discount fish.. just got it off the gunnars site!

Ended up being like $110 total or something.

Start derail:

Griffey, how much did the laser eye surgery cost, and how have you liked the results thus far? PM me an answer if you want to, I've been considering getting this done over the last year or so and my money situation might actually allow me to do it in the near future.

/derail

Roid - I'll derail in my blog, to not derail M2M too much haha

my aces haven't started winning yet at 25/50 lol...I think I wasted all my run good at 2/4 :S

I'll be grinding the middle limit games till the weekend then re-val because I'm nearing my stop limit in my roll for playing above 5/10 after a bit of a downer today. I played really well though and am confident I have an edge in these games as long as I'm in the right mood so I'm pretty happy about that.

VPP count: 169,313

Got that 200k milestone coming up I'm also catching up to pace (184,361) and should get there by the end of the month if I keep it up.

Gogogo, you'll hit pace easy if you keep up what you've been doing so far this month. glgl

got hit with some nasty variance while dipping into higher games and am under my bankroll requirements for playing there so I have self excluded myself from games beyond 5/10 until I grind it back (which can take awhile at CAP because my win rate is somewhere between 0 and .5ptbb...)

will be playing mainly 1/2 and 2/4 this weekend and work on game selecting to get the earnings flowing faster.

good news is I have over 175k VPPs and should hit 200k early next week.

I give you credit for being able to move up and down from 2/4 to 25/50 so easily! I can't do that for sure.

I should take more shots though, I'm lame haha.

can you post some general comments on playing the CAP games, like whats ur cbetting strategy?