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    Default Operation I Am Not a Grinder

    I guess I am now part of the “Old Guard” on FTR,so hi there to any new bloggers that I haven’t gotten to know yet.

    My bread and butter site (Interpoker) was recently closed down to Canadian players. Having to change sites and re-examine my overall poker game plan has brought about the urge to state some simple things very clearly.


    I am not cut out to be a lonely grinder. I’ve been that person in the context of different activities throughout my life and I no longer find it interesting or fulfilling. It feels like the right time to call a spade a spade and admit something: for me, poker is a profitable hobby. It will never be a satisfying “real job”.


    That doesn’t mean I’m looking to stop playing (although I wouldn’t mind) or to stop making money at the tables. I still have a huge poker ego - got a big kick out of this: (outdated, link to interpoker player of the month brag) - but I won’t be evaluating the success or failure of my time at the poker tables in the same way that I have before. Whereas I once aspired to be a recognized and feared top player – playing tough opponents for the sake of the challenge and amassing a huge BR as a result of my awesomeness– now I simply hope to put away a decent chunk of change this year through good play and open the door to some other life opportunities I’d like to take advantage of over the next few years.


    My starting point in this operation is a daunting one, with a staggeringly low online BR and, for the first time in my life, a sizeable debt to pay off. Here’s how I imagine things playing out:

    Phase 1


    -pay off 15k of interest-sucking debt without moving up at all in stakes
    -NL100 and NL200, PLO 100 and the occasional 200 table when table conditions leave me no choice
    -goal: February 1st 2011

    Phase 2


    -pay off 10k of interest-free debt while moving up in stakes
    -goal: May 1st 2011

    Phase 3


    -NL 200-1K and PLO 100-400 games
    -set aside 100k
    -goal: September 1st 2011



    My starting BR is 6k for cashgames and 2k for tourneys. I am giving myself 2 months before my next withdrawal (my liferoll can survive) and I have a couple bonus/RB payments on the way so my cushion is a bit larger than the initial 8k. My go-to setup will be 6 tables of cash with a couple donkaments fired up on the sie. I feel like I play best on a thin roll but if I drop 10 buyins at NL200 and dust off a bunch at PLO100 then I’ll be down almost exclusively at nl100, avoiding PLO.


    But I don’t expect that to happen. I’ll be playing mostly donks and that, more than anything else, is insurance against the dreaded runbad. My updates will be very results-oriented, coupled with some strategy (although there usually isn’t all that much interesting shit going on playing donks at nl100 and 200 on fishy sites) and hopefully lots of celebrating.

    Cheers.

    (edited since "player of the month" link was no longer up to date)
    Last edited by Genitruc; 11-05-2010 at 02:23 AM.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by genitruc
    hahaha that is so baller

    Good luck!
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  3. #3
    If you're old guard, am i second generation??
    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters
    Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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    GL dude, the variance in your last blog was brutal so hopefully things get better now.
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    gl sir
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    all i can think of when i see this title is the lebron commercial "I AM NOT A ROLE MODEL"...good luck
    Last edited by philly and the phanatics; 11-01-2010 at 10:42 PM.
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    I like you, Genitruc. Good luck.
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    Good luck to ya sir!
    "You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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    grinded for about 3 hours, made 270 including an annoying donkament (one of those 500 cap 27.50$ on stars) where, in maybe 3rd place (1st was only 1.1k but wtv) i lost AQ to A5 vs the chip leader to go out 13th gg.

    thanks for the karma everybody. i ll start paying attention to the ftr blogosphere and weigh in with my 2c from time to time. also, anybody who feels like posting hands in this thing is more than welcome and can be assured I'll reply.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    and ya, Vi-Z you are the early 2nd generation, I guess I'm the end of the 1st.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc View Post
    and ya, Vi-Z you are the early 2nd generation, I guess I'm the end of the 1st.
    I'm glad that a couple of the "first generation" are coming back and posting more. I loved FTR so much back in the day... not that I don't love it now, but it's just not the same!

    And hah those $27.50 500 caps are annoying, but at least they're soft and low variance.
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    Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.

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    GL with this and your goals man.
    Just dipping my toes back in.
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    play well, run good, and smash that debt dude.

    and all this talk of being out of shape, but not a cheeseburger in sight?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc View Post
    I am not cut

    now I simply hope to put away a decent chunk
    my liferoll can survive

    so my cushion is a bit larger than the initial
    from the 3g corner
    Last edited by daven; 11-02-2010 at 01:21 AM.
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    sick detective work daven. i am indeed sporting more of a pooch than normal, although its days are numbered (Crossfit ftw).
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    fwiw you were a giant inspiration to me when i first started poker so i wish the absolute best of luck to you.

    ?wut
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    New blog, here we go!

    Does Phase 3 mean you want to make 100k in the four months between May 1st and Sept 1st?

    If so, go go go. That would be awesome!
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    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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    nah the 100k would just be total withdrawable BR by sep 1st '11
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    pretty annoying little session early this afternoon, played very solid and nitty and got it all in 3 times :


    $100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, November 02, 06:16:23 ET 2010
    Table (Real Money)
    Seat 4 is the button
    Seat 1: Supahstar ( $19.55 USD )
    Seat 2: timoskabasis ( $18.87 USD )
    Seat 3: Genitruc ( $100.00 USD )
    Seat 4: osmarsexto ( $96.15 USD )
    Seat 5: nickramsey ( $114.05 USD )
    Seat 6: kennoway ( $40.00 USD )
    nickramsey posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
    kennoway posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
    Dealt to Genitruc
    Supahstar folds
    timoskabasis folds
    Genitruc raises [$3.00 USD]
    osmarsexto folds
    nickramsey calls [$2.50 USD]
    kennoway calls [$2.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Flop **
    nickramsey checks
    kennoway bets [$9.00 USD]
    Genitruc raises [$25.00 USD]
    nickramsey calls [$25.00 USD]
    kennoway folds
    ** Dealing Turn **
    nickramsey checks
    Genitruc bets [$72.00 USD]
    nickramsey calls [$72.00 USD]
    Genitruc shows
    nickramsey shows
    ** Dealing River **
    nickramsey wins $209.00 USD from main pot



    $100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, November 02, 06:11:39 ET 2010
    Table (Real Money)
    Seat 6 is the button
    Seat 1: Supahstar ( $36.80 USD )
    Seat 2: timoskabasis ( $18.97 USD )
    Seat 3: Genitruc ( $100.00 USD )
    Seat 4: osmarsexto ( $97.65 USD )
    Seat 5: nickramsey ( $100.00 USD )
    Seat 6: Pablo484 ( $135.16 USD )
    Supahstar posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
    timoskabasis posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
    Dealt to Genitruc
    Genitruc raises [$3.00 USD]
    osmarsexto folds
    nickramsey calls [$3.00 USD]
    Pablo484 calls [$3.00 USD]
    Supahstar folds
    timoskabasis folds
    ** Dealing Flop **
    Genitruc bets [$7.00 USD]
    nickramsey folds
    Pablo484 calls [$7.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Turn **
    Genitruc bets [$16.00 USD]
    Pablo484 calls [$16.00 USD]
    ** Dealing River **
    Genitruc bets [$74.00 USD]
    Pablo484 calls [$74.00 USD]
    Genitruc shows
    Pablo484 shows
    Pablo484 wins $201.50 USD from main pot


    $100.00 USD PL Omaha - Tuesday, November 02, 07:47:51 ET 2010
    Table (Real Money)
    Seat 4 is the button
    Seat 1: Genitruc ( $100.00 USD )
    Seat 2: gustoman ( $128.75 USD )
    Seat 3: bennythejet ( $99.15 USD )
    Seat 4: Retsina ( $143.74 USD )
    Seat 5: sarahjaine ( $8.75 USD )
    sarahjaine posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
    Genitruc posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
    Dealt to Genitruc
    gustoman raises [$3.50 USD]
    bennythejet folds
    Retsina folds
    sarahjaine calls [$3.00 USD]
    Genitruc calls [$2.50 USD]
    ** Dealing Flop **
    sarahjaine checks
    Genitruc bets [$7.87 USD]
    gustoman calls [$7.87 USD]
    sarahjaine folds
    ** Dealing Turn **
    Genitruc checks
    gustoman checks
    ** Dealing River **
    Genitruc bets [$20.00 USD]
    gustoman raises [$86.24 USD]
    Genitruc calls [$66.24 USD]
    gustoman shows
    gustoman wins $195.72 USD from main pot

    Oh well I'm down to final 4 of a 16$ plo tourney, 1st is 600 so time to get unstuck by flipping.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  21. #21
    boom shipped the PLO had an 8-1 chip lead over 2nd with 3 ppl left, pretty boring but i ll take the cheddar any day.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    shipppp it!!!

    2nd hand- seems overplayed to me, you're basically hoping he makes a hero call with the Qh, and not many combos of that anyway. I'd understand the shove if we had the Ah and he can have the Kh,Qh,Jh and he's a donk. I'd go for some pot control somewhere or bet small on river depending on the player. This does work vs whales though.
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  23. #23
    sweet, how much did you ship?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  24. #24
    ya villain in 4-flush KK hand was a big ole gas station so i was fist-pumping when he called.

    grif i shipped 600 to get nicely unstuck for the day. back at it tomorrow.

    oh yeah alex just saw the graph of your last day in october. so sick... fk you?
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    sweeet, getting unstuck is always good!

    how many donkaments you playing these days?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  26. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc View Post
    oh yeah alex just saw the graph of your last day in october. so sick... fk you?
    thx man, c ya soon.. hahah
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  27. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc View Post
    sick detective work daven. i am indeed sporting more of a pooch than normal, although its days are numbered (Crossfit ftw).

    That'll do it for sure!
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    The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."

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  28. #28
    ok a little drained for some reason today, but just mixed up a deadly coffe-bailey's potion and i m about to fire up a session. hopefully in 4 hours i ll update with some robusto results.

    this isn t quite a meaningless post; on many days like this where I've been busy doing other things and feel a bit drained (especially after being really sick for a couple months in the spring) I would typically avoid the tables. however, i m pretty sure just playing a few tables of nl100 and some donkaments is very +ev and I'd like to keep my eye on the prize (plugging away at those longterm goals) so here we go.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc View Post
    ok a little drained for some reason today, but just mixed up a deadly coffe-bailey's potion and i m about to fire up a session.
    ...
    on many days like this where I've been busy doing other things and feel a bit drained (especially after being really sick for a couple months in the spring) I would typically avoid the tables. however, i m pretty sure just playing a few tables of nl100 and some donkaments is very +ev and I'd like to keep my eye on the prize (plugging away at those longterm goals) so here we go.
    this is really interesting. Until recently I have playing these sessions for exactly your reasons, this has cost me a bunch of money. This possibly applies less to you as you are playing at stakes where your edge is likely significant enough that your b/c-game is still profitable? anyway, fwiwI am no longer playing my main games when i'm tired/drunk/whatever as there seem to be two costs that could be worth your consideration?

    1 - immediate cost, for me these sessions are pretty much $ breakeven at best over a big sample
    2 - delayed cost, these sessions often result in me being tired the next day, or second guessing my poker decision-making, or being on some sort of subtle tilt next session induced by losing 5 buyins through bad play during the tired session.

    a suggestion = monitor how these sessions run financially, and also how you feel after them -> if they affect your sleep, mindset, etc then this is worth being aware of.
    another suggestion = during these sessions do one or all of: play less tables, play nittier ABC than normal, don't run big bluff or hero lines, use a stop-loss, play lower stakes.
    another suggestion = consider whether this time could be better spent studying/watching vids/reviewing hand histories/talking poker on skype if this is part of your normal grinder routine
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    thx daven, all great suggestions that i have considered time and time again

    the solution for me seems to be to just play extra taggy and let the money come my way.

    played 2.5 hrs of cash and despite - as usual - a couple annoying hands, managed to make about 160 6-tabling PLO and NL 100.

    Today's "annoyance" occured in 2 hands vs the same opponent.

    No stats on villain but he appears to be very aggro preflop and has barrelled quite a bit.

    Normally I wouldn't float then raise (I'd just raise the flop if i intended to continue) but vs this guy I wanted to let him bluff the turn and have some equity if he flatted a hand like JJ going to the river. Sure I can "never" have a big hand when i flat oop on this board...


    $100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, November 03, 10:57:42 ET 2010
    Table (Real Money)
    Seat 3 is the button
    Seat 1: Sk0rpi0 ( $81.97 USD )
    Seat 2: Bigdog111 ( $101.80 USD )
    Seat 3: Geneharvey ( $82.97 USD )
    Seat 4: catweasil ( $118.49 USD )
    Seat 5: Genitruc ( $100.00 USD )
    Seat 6: tomjack74 ( $88.20 USD )
    catweasil posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
    Genitruc posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
    Dealt to Genitruc
    tomjack74 folds
    Sk0rpi0 folds
    Bigdog111 raises [$3.50 USD]
    Geneharvey folds
    catweasil folds
    Genitruc calls [$2.50 USD]
    ** Dealing Flop **
    Genitruc checks
    Bigdog111 bets [$5.00 USD]
    Genitruc calls [$5.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Turn **
    Genitruc checks
    Bigdog111 bets [$12.00 USD]
    Genitruc raises [$34.00 USD]
    Bigdog111 raises [$81.30 USD]
    Genitruc folds
    Bigdog111 wins $82.50 USD from main pot
    Bigdog111 wins $59.30 USD

    Sooo I end up looking like a tard.

    The fun part is adjusting. I can't have a hand after flatting on a board like that, right?


    $100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, November 03, 11:16:54 ET 2010
    Table (Real Money)
    Seat 3 is the button
    Seat 1: redsub ( $59.52 USD )
    Seat 2: 30101973 ( $51.94 USD )
    Seat 3: Kloonike ( $140.41 USD )
    Seat 4: Bigdog111 ( $115.75 USD )
    Seat 5: Genitruc ( $124.55 USD )
    Bigdog111 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
    Genitruc posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
    Dealt to Genitruc
    redsub calls [$1.00 USD]
    30101973 folds
    Kloonike folds
    Bigdog111 raises [$3.50 USD]
    Genitruc calls [$3.00 USD]
    redsub folds
    ** Dealing Flop **
    Bigdog111 bets [$6.00 USD]
    Genitruc calls [$6.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Turn **
    Bigdog111 bets [$15.00 USD]
    Genitruc raises [$42.00 USD]
    Bigdog111 raises [$90.75 USD]
    Genitruc calls [$63.75 USD]
    Bigdog111 shows
    Genitruc shows
    ** Dealing River **
    Bigdog111 wins $229.50 USD from main pot

    sigh. at least the plan worked until he binked the river...

    Down about 160 in tourney buyins but still alive in two of them so kind of freerolling on the day. Gogo gadget donkarungood.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    You don't have any issues mixing PLO with NL and cash with tournies? I've tended to stick to just one format at a time.
    Just dipping my toes back in.
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    ^ +1 on that question
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    good question but the answer is that it s not really hard at all

    both cash and tourney NL are so automatic at lower levels for me that the menage a trois just results in me paying more attention and enjoying my sessions more because plo decisions are so much more interesting for me

    got a bit cock-teased tonight in the tourneys and finished 19th and 17th in a plo rebuy and the 27$ 500 cap, getting it in awesome in plo (AA vs Kxxy) but getting heart broken there and with TT and 11bb s in the 500 cap. oh well still got donka-unstuck and kept my cash profits for the day.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  34. #34
    a couple hours before heading out to a conference and about to start up a session that I'm choosing to play baked. i have plenty of experience playing high and i have a poker buddy here with me this afternoon who will be a witness...

    if anything i m usually a little more alert and curious, updates to follow in a couple hours.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  35. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc View Post
    witness...
    = active participant
  36. #36
    i bet there's some good, well-calculated decision making going on........as we speak
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexos View Post
    i bet there's some good, well-calculated decision making going on........as we speak
    the decision to bump some Snoop Dog is by far the greatest decision made so far...
  38. #38
    fking annoying to bubble the only turbo 180-man i went deep in (was chip leader for a while) in a gross cooler but did fine 8-tabling cash (+250 or so), played really well and the only iffy hand was this one :

    $100.00 USD PL Omaha - Thursday, November 04, 08:56:32 ET 2010
    Table (Real Money)
    Seat 3 is the button
    Seat 1: gustoman ( $141.70 USD )
    Seat 2: Genitruc ( $240.46 USD )
    Seat 3: StiffmasterStiff ( $99.50 USD )
    Seat 4: HellanDPro ( $56.36 USD )
    Seat 5: Retsina ( $143.12 USD )
    Seat 6: ronden ( $106.40 USD )
    HellanDPro posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
    Retsina posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
    Dealt to Genitruc
    ronden folds
    gustoman raises [$3.50 USD]
    Genitruc calls [$3.50 USD]
    StiffmasterStiff calls [$3.50 USD]
    HellanDPro calls [$3.00 USD]
    Retsina folds
    ** Dealing Flop **
    HellanDPro checks
    gustoman checks
    Genitruc checks
    StiffmasterStiff checks
    ** Dealing Turn **
    HellanDPro checks
    gustoman bets [$11.00 USD]
    Genitruc calls [$11.00 USD]
    StiffmasterStiff calls [$11.00 USD]
    HellanDPro folds
    ** Dealing River **
    gustoman checks
    Genitruc bets [$31.00 USD]
    StiffmasterStiff folds
    gustoman calls [$31.00 USD]
    Genitruc shows
    gustoman shows
    gustoman wins $107.00 USD from main pot

    both the turn and the river are very close, the flop is a pretty clear check (although bet-getting it in isn t terrrible but some ppl CR AAA on this flop feeling it s the best way to set-over-set a nit) but oh well, felt pretty sure villain either had a decent flush or the nut blocker on the turn and didn t see how i was getting CR so decided to bet. it s spots like these that make PLO fascinating to me (I'd rarely have to think so deeply about an NL hand without it happening really quickly, almost automatically).
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc View Post
    both cash and tourney NL are so automatic at lower levels for me that the menage a trois just results in me paying more attention and enjoying my sessions more because plo decisions are so much more interesting for me
    Are you purely playing the lower NL games from stats, or are you still able to make reads?
    Just dipping my toes back in.
  40. #40
    i don t use a hud, i just pick up pretty automatically on things by checking all of the big pots and learning from each pot i play with ppl, compulsive note-taking and i have really good recall naturally

    playing (and railing) a zillion hands online also helps with unconscious timing tells that i don t put into practice knowingly but that nonetheless help to inform my decisions
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  41. #41
    late-night donkament time

    just got it in w dbl suited aces in the 33$ plo

    sigh

    i ll prob put in maybe 125-150$ of buyins, let s bink some shit one time
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  42. #42
    getting sucked out on left and right but playing good so wtv. just dropped out of another PLO rebuy when top and bottom + NFD + back door FD went down in flames then somehow failed to pay out of the 23$ hyperturbo (usually i m boomswitched for that thing)

    PokerStars Game #52194616503: Tournament #326542858, $8.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (200/400) - 2010/11/05 0:10:28 ET
    Table '326542858 28' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: zgsh69 (7210 in chips)
    Seat 2: Genitruc (9990 in chips)
    Seat 3: LuarPT (4680 in chips)
    Seat 4: nubywood (21154 in chips)
    Seat 5: VAlisaV (6145 in chips)
    Seat 6: inestess (20571 in chips)
    zgsh69: posts the ante 50
    Genitruc: posts the ante 50
    LuarPT: posts the ante 50
    nubywood: posts the ante 50
    VAlisaV: posts the ante 50
    inestess: posts the ante 50
    LuarPT: posts small blind 200
    nubywood: posts big blind 400
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Genitruc
    VAlisaV: folds
    inestess: folds
    zgsh69: folds
    zgsh69 is sitting out
    zgsh69 has returned
    Genitruc: raises 500 to 900
    LuarPT: folds
    nubywood: calls 500
    *** FLOP ***
    nubywood: checks
    Genitruc: bets 1144
    nubywood: raises 19060 to 20204 and is all-in
    Genitruc: calls 7896 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (11164) returned to nubywood
    *** TURN ***
    *** RIVER ***
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    nubywood: shows (high card Ace)
    Genitruc: shows (a pair of Kings)
    Genitruc collected 20380 from pot
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  43. #43
    gah played really well and just got cock-teased again was 3rd in some 9$ turbo with a zillion ppl in it and went out vs the 2nd place guy just after payout AQ vs AA on AQ7fd board

    then was chip leader with 27 left the big antes deep tourney only to lose 99 vs AK vs the 3rd place guy (would have had maybe 3-1 chip lead on 2nd) then lost JQ vs A5 on J66 then lost AK vs AJ for my last 30 bb's

    then two mincashes mean I only dropped 100 or so on donkaments in the late-night session which could have been huge.

    while i played out the final two tourneys i played some 6 max cash at nl100.

    am i too spewy in general? you tell me :

    1) villain was 3-betting super wide in LP, not much to say:

    ***** Hand History for Game 1507075978 ***** (PKR)
    $100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 05, 05:10:08 ET 2010
    Table (Real Money)
    Seat 6 is the button
    Seat 1: sukifukisuki ( $102.30 USD )
    Seat 2: Kloonike ( $98.50 USD )
    Seat 3: jandro11 ( $92.50 USD )
    Seat 5: zzDMzz ( $112.40 USD )
    Seat 6: Genitruc ( $107.50 USD )
    sukifukisuki posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
    Kloonike posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
    Dealt to Genitruc
    jandro11 folds
    zzDMzz folds
    Genitruc raises [$3.00 USD]
    sukifukisuki raises [$9.50 USD]
    Kloonike folds
    Genitruc raises [$104.50 USD]
    sukifukisuki calls [$92.30 USD]
    Genitruc wins $5.20 USD
    sukifukisuki shows
    Genitruc shows
    ** Dealing Flop **
    ** Dealing Turn **
    ** Dealing River **
    sukifukisuki wins $202.60 USD from main pot

    2) villain was calling ATC in pos. in hindsight check-call might have been a little more +ev and I actually think the best line would have been bet-call vs an aggro tagg but bet-check vs this particular guy (expecting him to float a bunch and bet some turns)

    ***** Hand History for Game 1507083949 ***** (PKR)
    $100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 05, 05:43:55 ET 2010
    Table (Real Money)
    Seat 4 is the button
    Seat 1: BlackMamba010 ( $52.65 USD )
    Seat 2: Jozef ( $147.92 USD )
    Seat 4: sukifukisuki ( $141.35 USD )
    Seat 5: Genitruc ( $100.50 USD )
    Seat 6: jandro11 ( $104.48 USD )
    Genitruc posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
    jandro11 posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
    Dealt to Genitruc
    BlackMamba010 folds
    Jozef raises [$3.00 USD]
    sukifukisuki folds
    Genitruc raises [$10.50 USD]
    jandro11 folds
    Jozef calls [$8.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Flop **
    Genitruc checks
    Jozef bets [$17.25 USD]
    Genitruc raises [$89.50 USD]
    Jozef calls [$72.25 USD]
    Jozef shows
    Genitruc shows
    ** Dealing Turn **
    ** Dealing River **
    Jozef wins $199.00 USD from main pot

    3) nothign to say really:

    ***** Hand History for Game 1507076049 ***** (PKR)
    $100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 05, 05:10:28 ET 2010
    Table (Real Money)
    Seat 3 is the button
    Seat 1: jandro11 ( $99.50 USD )
    Seat 3: DikesMyson ( $113.10 USD )
    Seat 4: Kloonike ( $198.95 USD )
    Seat 5: Jozef ( $143.35 USD )
    Seat 6: Genitruc ( $100.00 USD )
    Kloonike posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
    Jozef posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
    Dealt to Genitruc
    Genitruc raises [$4.00 USD]
    jandro11 calls [$4.00 USD]
    DikesMyson folds
    Kloonike folds
    Jozef raises [$19.00 USD]
    Genitruc raises [$96.00 USD]
    jandro11 folds
    Jozef calls [$80.00 USD]
    Jozef shows
    Genitruc shows
    ** Dealing Flop **
    ** Dealing Turn **
    ** Dealing River **
    Jozef wins $201.50 USD from main pot

    4) this is a clear call for me vs a late-night fish for so many reasons. if it isn t clear i ll lay them out (i can think of at least 3 big reasons to bet-call):

    ***** Hand History for Game 1507072171 ***** (PKR)
    $100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 05, 04:54:52 ET 2010
    Table (Real Money)
    Seat 6 is the button
    Seat 4: MYREALFACE ( $42.40 USD )
    Seat 5: zzDMzz ( $100.25 USD )
    Seat 6: Genitruc ( $106.20 USD )
    MYREALFACE posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
    zzDMzz posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
    Dealt to Genitruc
    Genitruc raises [$3.00 USD]
    MYREALFACE calls [$2.50 USD]
    zzDMzz folds
    ** Dealing Flop **
    MYREALFACE checks
    Genitruc bets [$5.00 USD]
    MYREALFACE raises [$22.00 USD]
    Genitruc raises [$98.20 USD]
    MYREALFACE calls [$17.40 USD]
    Genitruc wins $63.80 USD
    MYREALFACE shows
    Genitruc shows
    ** Dealing Turn **
    ** Dealing River **
    MYREALFACE wins $84.80 USD from main pot

    5) marginal but obviously never terrible :

    ***** Hand History for Game 1507083469 ***** (PKR)
    $100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 05, 05:41:45 ET 2010
    Table (Real Money)
    Seat 6 is the button
    Seat 1: BlackMamba010 ( $27.20 USD )
    Seat 2: Jozef ( $149.42 USD )
    Seat 4: sukifukisuki ( $141.35 USD )
    Seat 5: Genitruc ( $104.15 USD )
    Seat 6: jandro11 ( $104.48 USD )
    BlackMamba010 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
    Jozef posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
    Dealt to Genitruc
    sukifukisuki folds
    Genitruc raises [$3.00 USD]
    jandro11 folds
    BlackMamba010 calls [$2.50 USD]
    Jozef folds
    ** Dealing Flop **
    BlackMamba010 checks
    Genitruc bets [$5.00 USD]
    BlackMamba010 calls [$5.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Turn **
    BlackMamba010 checks
    Genitruc bets [$96.15 USD]
    BlackMamba010 calls [$19.20 USD]
    Genitruc wins $76.95 USD
    BlackMamba010 shows
    Genitruc shows
    ** Dealing River **
    BlackMamba010 wins $52.65 USD from main pot

    6) the reason shoving small pairs is so much fun:

    ***** Hand History for Game 1507080467 ***** (PKR)
    $100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 05, 05:29:04 ET 2010
    Table (Real Money)
    Seat 4 is the button
    Seat 1: JIVR31 ( $49.60 USD )
    Seat 4: Genitruc ( $224.55 USD )
    Seat 6: zzDMzz ( $100.00 USD )
    zzDMzz posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
    JIVR31 posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
    Dealt to Genitruc
    Genitruc raises [$3.00 USD]
    zzDMzz raises [$9.50 USD]
    JIVR31 folds
    Genitruc raises [$221.55 USD]
    zzDMzz calls [$90.00 USD]
    Genitruc wins $124.55 USD
    Genitruc shows
    zzDMzz shows
    ** Dealing Flop **
    ** Dealing Turn **
    ** Dealing River **
    Genitruc wins $200.00 USD from main pot

    7) just lol about this one:

    ***** Hand History for Game 1507082152 ***** (PKR)
    $100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, November 05, 05:36:29 ET 2010
    Table (Real Money)
    Seat 2 is the button
    Seat 1: sukifukisuki ( $211.65 USD )
    Seat 2: christhefish ( $143.11 USD )
    Seat 3: jandro11 ( $125.30 USD )
    Seat 4: Genitruc ( $100.00 USD )
    Seat 5: pkrstar82 ( $275.03 USD )
    Seat 6: Jozef ( $87.00 USD )
    jandro11 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
    Genitruc posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
    Dealt to Genitruc
    pkrstar82 raises [$3.00 USD]
    Jozef folds
    sukifukisuki folds
    christhefish folds
    jandro11 folds
    Genitruc raises [$10.00 USD]
    pkrstar82 calls [$8.00 USD]
    ** Dealing Flop **
    Genitruc bets [$13.00 USD]
    pkrstar82 raises [$26.00 USD]
    Genitruc raises [$76.00 USD]
    pkrstar82 calls [$63.00 USD]
    Genitruc shows
    pkrstar82 shows
    ** Dealing Turn **
    ** Dealing River **
    Genitruc wins $197.50 USD from main pot

    anways, didn t win any flips but broke even in 350 quick hands or so. was actually kind of fun besides the brutal donka-cocktease.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  44. #44
    The KQdd hand I'd probably just check back the turn pretty often vs a shorty, I don't think we have much fold equity and might as well hit our hand.
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  45. #45
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    Yeah, my thought was that shorties tend to call wider.

    I wonder if you have thoughts about whether you dont use a HUD because of your natural ability to pay attention and get reads, or if you think not using a HUD has helped develop that ability?
    Just dipping my toes back in.
  46. #46
    after HUDs became popular i was destroying 1-2 and 2-4 on party without one and kind of developed the superstition that i played better that way

    not sure about the "natural ability" but i m naturally incredibly spewy (when i first started playing i didn t need much reason to felt any hand) so i have just learned over time which spots aren t terrific to get the money in and remained very aggressive in most other spots. certain preflop reads, timing tells and betsizing tells have become warning bells to me; when they don t go off, i usually feel comfortable being my normal spewy self

    ya the KQ hand is marginal and probably slightly bad but he can def find a fold with any PP that stubbornly called flop and we have 30%ish vs his pair + SD hands like 56 that are prob cry-calling the turn
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  47. #47
    started today s grind relatively early (up for it around 10 am after a late night last night), playing a few donkaments and running meh. i had planned to mix cash with donkaments but not so sure right now; after being on my A game all week i find myself feeling pretty lethargic today. still alive in 3 donkaments so maybe i ll play some cash to pass the time?

    friend is spending his last day in town so that takes precedence over the grind for sure
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  48. #48
    seriously. just lol@donkaments. when you don t see this kind of stuff in cash games you forget it s out there :

    PokerStars Game #52213748556: Tournament #326542033, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (30/60) - 2010/11/05 12:35:18 ET
    Table '326542033 20' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: trubble74 (3979 in chips)
    Seat 2: 1wayman (7451 in chips)
    Seat 3: jager1987 (1982 in chips)
    Seat 4: sbbrian (2476 in chips)
    Seat 5: jeaglephant (7080 in chips)
    Seat 6: Genitruc (2813 in chips)
    Seat 7: CMmoley (2590 in chips)
    Seat 8: FISHFINDER64 (2845 in chips)
    Seat 9: Serge71 (3087 in chips)
    trubble74: posts the ante 12
    1wayman: posts the ante 12
    jager1987: posts the ante 12
    sbbrian: posts the ante 12
    jeaglephant: posts the ante 12
    Genitruc: posts the ante 12
    CMmoley: posts the ante 12
    FISHFINDER64: posts the ante 12
    Serge71: posts the ante 12
    Genitruc: posts small blind 30
    CMmoley: posts big blind 60
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Genitruc
    FISHFINDER64: raises 120 to 180
    Serge71: folds
    trubble74: calls 180
    1wayman: folds
    jager1987: folds
    sbbrian: calls 180
    jeaglephant: folds
    Genitruc: raises 2621 to 2801 and is all-in
    CMmoley: folds
    FISHFINDER64: folds
    trubble74: folds
    sbbrian: calls 2284 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (337) returned to Genitruc
    CMmoley is disconnected

    *** FLOP ***
    *** TURN ***
    *** RIVER ***
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Genitruc: shows (two pair, Kings and Threes)
    sbbrian: shows (a flush, Ace high)
    sbbrian collected 5456 from pot
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  49. #49
    wow

    PokerStars Game #52214113896: Tournament #326542033, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (40/80) - 2010/11/05 12:43:45 ET
    Table '326542033 20' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: trubble74 (3431 in chips)
    Seat 2: 1wayman (7243 in chips)
    Seat 3: jager1987 (1289 in chips)
    Seat 4: sbbrian (4927 in chips)
    Seat 5: jeaglephant (8656 in chips)
    Seat 6: Genitruc (261 in chips)
    Seat 7: CMmoley (2412 in chips)
    Seat 8: Bulu95 (7879 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 9: Serge71 (3623 in chips)
    trubble74: posts the ante 16
    1wayman: posts the ante 16
    jager1987: posts the ante 16
    sbbrian: posts the ante 16
    jeaglephant: posts the ante 16
    Genitruc: posts the ante 16
    CMmoley: posts the ante 16
    Bulu95: posts the ante 16
    Serge71: posts the ante 16
    jager1987: posts small blind 40
    sbbrian: posts big blind 80
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Genitruc
    jeaglephant: folds
    Genitruc: raises 165 to 245 and is all-in
    CMmoley: folds
    Bulu95: folds
    Serge71: calls 245
    trubble74: calls 245
    1wayman: folds
    jager1987 is disconnected
    jager1987 is connected
    jager1987: folds
    sbbrian: calls 165
    *** FLOP ***
    sbbrian: checks
    Serge71: checks
    trubble74: bets 99
    sbbrian: calls 99
    Serge71: calls 99
    *** TURN ***
    sbbrian: checks
    Serge71: checks
    trubble74: checks
    *** RIVER ***
    sbbrian: checks
    Serge71: bets 400
    trubble74: folds
    sbbrian: folds
    Uncalled bet (400) returned to Serge71
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Serge71: shows (a pair of Sevens)
    Serge71 collected 297 from side pot
    Genitruc: shows (a pair of Sevens - Ace kicker)
    Genitruc collected 1164 from main pot
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  50. #50
    still playing same donkament session, final table of plo 33$ (not many entrants, 800 for 1st) and deep in a 33$ on another site

    gogogo boomswitch
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  51. #51
    gahhhh just lost KKdbl suited vs JJAx aipf with 3 left to bust... still made 400ish so can t complain.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  52. #52
    my poker "weeks" will end on friday since saturday is the day i intend to take away from the tables.

    i forgot about 700$ i had hiding on some sketchy site so my starting BR was actually 8.7k USD.

    after a partial week 1, tourney BR has grown from 2k to 2.75k and the cash BR has grown (after receiving some RB and a bonus) from 6.7k to 7.85.

    back at it on sunday
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  53. #53
    wow this kind of took me on a time-machine trip :

    a PM i sent to another bonus whorer back in the glory days of the 600e offered by B2B (back to back) ON EACH ONE OF THEIR SKINS. the bonuses were truly incredible (when i started grinding them my entire roll was 2.1k USD and when I finished a month or two later it was like 12k) and it was the first cash game experience i ever got after having made maybe 1.5k playing 10$ sit n gos on party.

    some of the advice is very dated (this is back in the day where open-limping was by far the most common preflop play even in 6-max cash games) but it s crazy to think that i sent this over 4 years ago in 2006. another relevant thing to mention was that i was switching from playing monkeys on party to playing nits. in fact, it was probably the 1st time in the history of online poker for the majority of a player pool to be bonus-whoring nits. this is particularly interesting considering a couple of bjaust's questions about instincts, what has become automatic in my play and why. when i mentioned i "learned when not to be spewy" i was referring to this exact period. at this point, all anybody had to go on was Super System, so some of the finer points (that now appear lolobvious) i was literally making up on the fly (and clarifying for myself during the writing of this PM).

    as a single post this is def tl;dr but this is my blog so fuck it:

    06-12-2006, 07:21 AM Post subject: What I do on b2b to not go broke
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    Hey. I said I was down 22 buy ins and I wasn t lying (buying in for 50E at nl100). And I've made them back and then some by changing my style. Hope this can help you. Basically what was happening to me was I was not adapting to the tables, I was not trusting my gut when I knew I was beat etc... Add to that lots of monster -1 for me vs. monster +1 for villain... You get the idea.

    It'd be kinda fun to discuss this further just between the 2 of us (to not get a whole "how to pwn b2b" thread out for everyone at ftr) so after you read these few lines, write me and tell me what you've noticed has lost you the most money (HH for b 2 b obv sucks, but try to remember patterns if you can) : c-betting getting no respect? Firing hopeless 2nd bullets? Getting the shit value-betted out of you on the river?

    As I try to identify exactly what it is that helped me it's hard. I guess it basically is "play better poker". Helpful, I know

    1) I loosened up my raising requirements massively

    Most important thing was to develop a solid Lagg style. I used to be uber-tagg

    The people who hurt me the most early on were the nutcampers. I'd often try to bluff them off hands but found that, ironically, the nut-campers were the toughest ones to bluff ("there's an ace on board? oh well... I've waited SOOOO long for this KK maybe I'll call this just once...").

    To exploit the nutcampers, I steal a shitload. When folded to me, I will raise a pretty huge range of hands if there are no really good players to my table left. Sooted connectors/gappers, 2 big cards, CO and later any ace, any suited king etc... Obv you know bout the risks/benefits of lagg play (getting paid off bigger, higher variance blah blah)

    2) I stopped open-limping

    A raise from any position at your typical b 2 b table has a huge chance of taking down the pot uncontested, even at 6 max.

    3) I rarely follow others by limping

    Unlike Party, I don't think it's way + EV to limp suited connectors and the like after 2-3 ppl have limped before you. Since it's unlikely these weak-tighties will pay you off huge when u do hit a big flop (unlike your avg party donk who'll put 200$ on tptk), I prefer to fold my draw-ish hands or to raise them to isolate and for deception.

    The best part about these typical b 2 b-ers is that they'll often call your raise after limping but will play post-flop extremely passively. There are even a surprising number who will simply limp-fold to you raise over and over again. It's basically free money. And if they wake up and start firing at you (unless they are identified donks) you can lay down most hands confidently. All the other times, c-bet and take down an uncontested pot and irritate them.

    4) I Expanded my reraising range

    At 6 max tables, I will now rarely call a raise. Only exception is if i have a sooted broadway with a raise and min 1 caller in front of me. I guess this contradicts what I said about not overlimping earlier (3)... Maybe I should reexamine this . But for now, it's prob the only time I'll call a raise.

    If I smooth-call a raise w AQ oop I'm pretty much spewing money or asking to play an ace-high flop tentatively.. or asking the dream q-high flop 1 in 7 times... might as well be set hunting . I have 2 bonuses left w b2b so I'll probably end up losing money to you by telling all this shit but oh well, it's an interesting excercise.

    Unless you are playing w sharks, the preflop reraise commands huge respect so most will fold or call your reraise hoping to connect in a big way. When they don't, you make about 11E profit by c-betting. When they push preflop and you fold, meh. You lose 10E but imo crappy table image increases likelihood of big payoffs w big hands later on.

    5) When table fights back

    4 things :

    1-tighten up (obv)

    2-don't give passive calls preflop that bet into you lots of credit. Ex : you raise from CO. folded to bb. He calls. Flop comes rags. BB bets into you. Without a read, I will usually reraise this automatically 1st time it happens. This may sound crazy, but in my experience, this is bb waking up at your looseness and saying "that flop prob didn't hit the bastard". Your reraise is scaaaaaaaary... most of time this is an easy 10bb profit. Oh yeah : don't be scared of those lame-ass minraises on the flop. More than half the time when my c bet is minraised by someone who has been at the table for awhile, it's again the "I don't believe you" bullshit. If it's some fishy calling-station obv I'm out but most of the time I will either flat-call and reevaluate on turn or come over the top with a sizeable reraise. And like I said earlier, when this backfires and you have to fold after committing lotta cash to pot, you will seem all the more maniacal and get much looser calls (tighten up and get paid off whee!!!) in later hands.

    3-Check-raise scary flops : this is a move I use against weak-tighties (the type who limp-smooth call your raises a lot preflop). It has become by far my favourite weapon (haha sounds so ridiculous using word "weapon"). I would not use it against a good player because it doesn't make much sense but here is situation :
    I have been raising a lot... I have missed the flop but have a reasonable hand/reasonable draw and I don't want to get bluffed off it ( this is def useful in the "table fights back" portion of a session).... I am out of position (obv). My favourite hand to do this with is AK on 2 broadway flop (ex : 10-j-rag). If I c bet and get reraised I am not liking my hand so much. If I check and villain checks behind, it will be hard to convince him by betting turn but at worst he is giving me a free card at my 10 outs. When I check and villain bets (weak-tight villain that is...) it is usually because villain connected w fl0p or because I demonstrated weakness. In both cases, weak-tighties have tough time dealing with reraise unless they have top two. At worst, villain calls and I have some outs, but very often I have seen weak-tightie villain fold this in a heartbeat. This is a ridiculous play that doesn't make much sense (why not bet if there are draws on board? If you have such a monster, why bet so hard on flop?) but the weak-tighties tend to just shit their pants and run for the hills. A better player will not believe it though, be warned.

    4-get the fuck out of there if you are getting 3 bet preflop all the time by good players like TigerLou, tetrissony, Thor etc...

    K. That's a start. I could probably go on longer but I would probably be just rambling on for my own pleasure. Let me know if this is at all helpful, interesting, or possible ridiculous. Obviously if I raise your blind it is QQ+ from now on...

    Also not sure if this matches up with your basic style, but imo lagg is where it's at on b 2 b. Guys like CocoBill claim to play pretty standard Tagg 21/9 VERY profitably on b2b so it's def not the only way to go... Big swings too playing lagg. But other aspect for me is that it makes my sessions invariably intersting. Not just waiting to outmonster some nutcamper's monster.

    Good cards and gl.
    Last edited by Genitruc; 11-06-2010 at 03:09 AM.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  54. #54
    (haha just reread the end and noticed the CoccoBill reference; funny that we were playing the exact same games at the time)
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  55. #55
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    i just read the whole thing and it's funny the way you wrote about poker then to how you write about it now - you can tell there's this fresh fascination in the way you approached it compared to some of the bitterness towards poker you inevitably pick up over the years. Cool stuff.
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  56. #56
    tomorrow will be a very long day of donkaments where i ll be experimenting with a huge amount of tables on 2 sites. if there s any downtime (unlikely) i ll sprinkle in some cash games.

    on stars :

    -a few satellites to the mill
    -33$ PLO 500 cap at 11:05
    -22$ big antes at 11:30
    -22$ NL at noon
    -55$ PLO at 12:05
    -27$ turbo knockout at 12:15
    -11$ deepstack nlhe at 12:15
    -11$ turbo at 12:30
    -16$ PLO at 12:35
    -22$ nl at 13:00
    -33$ mixed at 13:30
    -8$ rebuy nl at 13:45
    -22$ nl at 13:45
    -27.50 cap at 13:45
    -11$ nl at 14:00
    -11$ PLO 6 max at 14:35
    -55$ NL at 15:00
    -27.50NL at 15:15
    -11$ at 15:30

    so that should be about 16-20 tables on stars for the first couple hours

    on PKR :

    -2.5k added 16$ at 11:30
    -36$ NL at 11:30
    -162$ NL (whee poker points)
    -27.50 NL at 14:00

    a session with potentially 20 tables running simultaneously will def be a challenge. depending on the mill qualifiers i play, i ll be investing roughly 600$ (the 162$ is basically a freeroll after buying in with poker points that i couldn t use to get anything worthwhile) so it will be kind of exciting for me. time to rest and get my run good fired up for tomorrow.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc View Post
    a session with potentially 20 final tables running simultaneously
    fyp, hit some rungood dude
  58. #58
    just got AI for the 1st time so far, lost KK to AJs after shove-squeezing (utg snapped w AJs wow)

    about 7 tables going and have a couple decent stacks.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  59. #59
    only out of one donkament so far (the KK vs AJs) but the day hasn t really started yet since I haven't yet had anything moving down in the land of bowels (always the sign that shit is ready to happen) and i m still walking around the apartment 10-tablign on the laptop.

    oops : ATs w 5bbs left and something ready to move. time to gogogo.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  60. #60
    Sick Sunday schedule dude. Ship those monies!
    [00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
    [00:30] <DC> daven
    [00:30] <DC> on my hand?
    [00:30] <daven> yep
    [00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
    [00:30] <daven> nice reason
    [00:30] <daven> no further questions
    [00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

    Problem officer...?
  61. #61
    meh just busted JJ into AA 9 bb s deep in one then lost suited aces w top set and FD in 3 way all in vs a wrap BUT i shipped KTo vs AA in a blind war super shallow so yay, got some nice stacks now and getting close to payout in plo 33$ which is a really fun tourney.

    oh yeah and i bet on the browns lol.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  62. #62
    gaahhhhhhh just lost my stack in rr pot on 235r board w AA3K w back door FD vs 567J and it was biggest buyin of the day (PLO 55$)
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  63. #63
    and TT goes down in flames to 38s to get a seat to the mill
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  64. #64
    gah AK loses to K9 for ANOTHER seat to the mill
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  65. #65
    and i i lose turned flush over flush in the high-roller event on pkr
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  66. #66
    and AQQx goes down vs AJJx ai pre barely into payout of the 33$ plo
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  67. #67
    bang just paid out in a mill qualifier
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  68. #68
    gah just lost AA to Q7s ai pre flop AS I PISSED ALL OVER MYSELF WHILE MULTITASKING IN THE BATHROOM

    hope this isn t the beginning of some serious runbad
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  69. #69
    gah just bowed out w JJ in a spot where i probably should have folded, had 25bbs and got reraised after raising UTG+1. not a great hand, feels like 1st mistake of the day
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  70. #70
    christ just ran TT into AA w 15bb s right on bubble of a 22$

    not going well.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  71. #71
    fking christ just lost AK to AQ then 2 flips to go out of rebuys pretty deep just before the end of the rebuy period faaaaakk
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  72. #72
    lost 8 of my last 10 flips and have been card dead for a while. not looking good and i m pretty tired.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  73. #73
    well so far through the experiment i d say my play has been very good but the hardest thing is the endurance. have been playing between 6 and 16 tables for 5 hours straight now and it s definitely draining me.

    that said, i just made an awesome A hi call in the high roller (162$ buyin that i m freerolling w poker points) to get an average stack (235 flop i check back after a fish called bb, turn 2 she leads out riv Q she shoves i call she shows T4s).

    immediately after i lose AQ to J9 ai pre then lose AT vs 89 AI on turn on JTTx board. down to 2 tourneys left.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  74. #74
    ok last chance to break even would to pay out in the 162$. it s a small field and only top 12 payout but i m middle of the pack with 35 left. mincash is 400$ or so. also alive in some dinky 11$ yawnament on stars but fk that i want a big score.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  75. #75
    got my stack into the top 10 then a shortie shoved for 7bbs from CO, btn flatted with 22bb s total. i have A6hh and i cover everyone at the table.

    i think it s very very close, i have blockers to AA and i think btn (a pretty straightforward player) shoves every non-AA monster. i probably have a decent amount of fold equity but i don t think i m getting him to fold AJ or AQ, MAYBE he folds AT it s close.

    i flat getting 3.2-1 and flop is 269FD I put the btn AI and he snaps with A9o. shorty had 67s.

    faaaaaaak. down to 11bbs 28ppl left 12 payout
    Last edited by Genitruc; 11-07-2010 at 04:33 PM.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

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