When they start cursing each other from behind the smiley faces it's pretty hilarious.
10-22-2013 09:45 PM
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When they start cursing each other from behind the smiley faces it's pretty hilarious. | |
10-22-2013 09:47 PM
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lol Bovada sometimes takes a minute to display your correct balance. So sometimes after a session I'm like 'omg how many times did i get stacked? i thought it was only two!' but then it gives the right balance and I'm like oh yeah I can do simple arithmetic thank goodness. | |
10-23-2013 05:25 PM
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I'm rereading Easy Game by BalugaWhale and am really impressed. I like how he keeps things simple but still respects the complexity of the game. That's the kind of understanding I aspire to. An update 3rd edition is out and I have it on my amazon wish list. | |
10-23-2013 05:40 PM
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Yeah easy game is the nuts - I love that book, must have read the first one ten times. To some extent, I feel like my fondness for his style (ie. not being a big math guy) held me back in the past - some of us do have to do the math-work, and I'm one of them, but I still really like all the balugawhale stuff. | |
10-23-2013 08:40 PM
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Easy Game is making a lot more sense to me this time around. Hopefully that's a sign of improvement. I also got Building a Bankroll by Verneer which looks really good. I haven't started it yet but it seems to have an overall plan for player improvement. | |
10-23-2013 08:46 PM
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I think more tags are coming to Bovada. This guy today 3bet my utg open with A7s from the hijack. I called with AQs and folded when I missed the flop no fd. Probably I should have folded preflop. At least the guy lost the hand to the fish in the BB who cold-called with T9o and flopped trip nines. Justice! I can't stand that on my left though. I just left the table. Sauce probably would have stayed and found some way to stack him. Not sure about the whole table selection vs improvement issue. I do prefer tables with less-than-full stacks though because these are the guys who will call you down with tpwk. | |
Last edited by abelardx; 10-23-2013 at 09:00 PM. | |
10-23-2013 08:53 PM
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Everyone playing that level is bad. You shouldn't be playing for money at this level. Although you should be table selecting because it's a skill you should practise. However if you are sat on 3 good tables and one ok table I wouldn't necessarily leave the ok table to try and find a good one. Practise on reacting to people. It's fantastic practise. |
10-23-2013 09:05 PM
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Thanks for the comments, Griffey, Boris, and Savy. I'm the only poker player in my group so it's really nice to get other people's perspective. | |
10-23-2013 11:25 PM
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I'm thinking about stats and brm stuff like that and I found some pretty cool statistical simulators. Apparently the 'usual' simulators at evplusplus.com are down due to negligent new owners. So here are some good replacements: | |
10-23-2013 11:40 PM
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So what does all this stuff mean for me and my higher stakes aspirations etc? | |
Last edited by abelardx; 10-24-2013 at 12:02 AM. | |
10-24-2013 03:23 PM
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Check out these cool websites: | |
10-26-2013 01:22 AM
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I teach statistics at the University of North Georgia. I don't know where you're at in the learning curve, but I could forward some LaTeX notes I've been working on for my 300-level stats class for math majors that uses poker examples to teach the basic statistics procedures (z-proportion, t-tests, chi-squared, ANOVA). They're in a very early draft form, but I'd love to get some feedback/ideas if you're interested. PM me and I'll give you my email. |
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10-26-2013 01:43 AM
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10-27-2013 01:34 PM
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How to Read Hands by Ed Miller | |
10-28-2013 12:21 AM
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I did some work on this in the BC a couple years back: |
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10-29-2013 12:17 PM
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I have approximately 15k hands at 10 nl on Bovada. I filtered them for hands where I raised preflop, got called, continuation bet all three streets and got called down. That's 43 hands. I did pretty well in this situation, plus five buy-ins, but I certainly didn't win all of them. | |
10-29-2013 12:28 PM
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I don't think just because they are calling down that you can assume they are bad passive players. They might be bad passive players, but thinking this way also means that you won't find spots to c/c down because you think that makes you bad/passive too. | |
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10-29-2013 12:37 PM
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I remember this one hand I had recently where I opened AQ utg and everybody folded except the BB. I triple barreled tptk and lost to 92o who had turned trips. Because of hands like that I'm not going to try and put people on specific preflop ranges, in this exercise anyway. Suffice it to say they have a wide range. In fact, we'll start the hand reading exercise after villain's flop call where we'll assign an initial range of any pair, any draw. | |
10-29-2013 12:41 PM
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I'm going to have to think about what you said, Griffey. But for right now, it's a fair assumption that most Bovada 10nl players are passive bad with a very wide calling range. I personally have no problem calling if I think that's the right play. | |
10-29-2013 12:48 PM
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I think your points are more applicable to tougher games. I do make a ton of 'one and done' plays, either otf or ott. And I'm sure that is exploitable by some of the players. However I've been called down by second or third pair so often that I still think it's best to simply give up with A high after getting called once, that kind of thing. However as I've said before, there are plenty of people running big stupid bluffs at 10nl so much that this kind of stationy behavior is somewhat rational. | |
10-29-2013 12:50 PM
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47 hands isn't a sample at all. |
10-29-2013 12:52 PM
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Hmm, I'm not sure if this makes much sense because I haven't even started looking at the GTO stuff yet, but my impression is that balance is like being out of line. You want to gauge your stance vs your opponents, being slightly more out of line than they are, or slightly more balanced than they are, but not doing things in a vacuum for its own sake. | |
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10-29-2013 12:53 PM
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10-29-2013 12:57 PM
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OK here is Triple Barrel v Fish Hand Reading Exercise #1: | |
Last edited by abelardx; 10-29-2013 at 01:38 PM. | |
10-29-2013 01:03 PM
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Hmm, that's really odd that the hand converter doesn't show the mucked hand even though it's present in the original hand history. I'll edit the spoiler box from now on to show what villain had. In this hand villain had 66. This is a fairly typical hand. | |
10-29-2013 01:18 PM
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You're drawing conclusions from it that may or may not be there. Dangerous thing to do. |
10-29-2013 01:43 PM
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I'm not really sure how helpful these exercises are going to be, the triple barrel against the fish I mean, but I will do at least one a day for a while just to internalize thinking in terms of strong and weak fits. The only thing I really got from this exercise is how often we're good otr in this kind of situation. I mean we're beat 1/3 of the time. That's more than I would have thought. It's still very +ev but he does have monsters 1/3 of the time which is psychologically significant and worth knowing. | |
10-29-2013 01:47 PM
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Those are some good points and I am definitely looking forward to studying that stuff. I wasn't trying to pooh pooh it at all. My thinking is that hand reading, to any degree, is more foundational so I thought I'd start with that. Obviously that's something that increases with practice and will be helped by the game theory. | |
10-29-2013 01:55 PM
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Yah I mean I definitely agree in your games if you start calling down triple barrels you're gonna be shown a legit hand WAY more often than not, since I doubt many ppl have a third bullet bluff in them. It's just important to realize that by NOT calling 58% of your range in that spot, you are essentially deviating from GTO to EXPLOIT villain. You're exploiting villain's tendencies to NOT bluff the appropriate amount by folding more than the appropriate amount yourself. | |
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10-30-2013 11:09 AM
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Triple Barrel v Fish Hand Reading Exercise #2 | |
10-30-2013 02:34 PM
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Let's go through exactly what a range of any pair/any draw looks like on this super wet flop. | |
10-30-2013 02:50 PM
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These 'hand reading' exercises barreling fish seem kinda bogus. I'm going to have to figure out something else to do to work on hand reading. | |
10-30-2013 03:03 PM
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To make it automatic what you do is play less tables and think about ranges after every action and how your actions will potentially effect villains ranges. |
10-30-2013 04:56 PM
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Would you have called an AI check raise in that spot? | |
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10-30-2013 05:54 PM
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10-30-2013 09:16 PM
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This question has been kinda sticking with me and I think a lot of the reason is that this player probably never c/r's all-in. I mean he has the nuts and I've bet all three streets. If he doesn't do it here, he never will. For this type of player showing down the best hand seems to be more gratifying than winning money. That's a little weird but not that uncommon among people who like to play poker but haven't studied the game. Especially business types who are successful irl. Their main thing seems to be showing themselves that they understand people and no one can fool them etc etc. Stuff that's psychological noise and really irrelevant to the game but can be powerful motivation for them. | |
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10-31-2013 01:29 PM
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OK I now have 800 on Bovada and even though I haven't hashed out the new BRM strategy I've decided to take a 4 bi shot at 25 nl. Here's hoping I start off running well. Four buy-ins up or down is basically meaningless, but that's what I've decided to spend on the shot. | |
10-31-2013 04:02 PM
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I'm also concerned that if I switch to playing on Carbon for a while that, because it's a different game, I'd have to change my game a lot and that might mess me up. Not sure if that's a valid concern but it's another reason not to switch. | |
10-31-2013 07:46 PM
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25 nl on Bovada seems a lot like 10 nl. Maybe not quite as passive preflop but still plenty of limping. Postflop play looks about the same. Of course that's a super small sample as I've only played one session so far. Got lucky and stacked someone set > 2 pair. lol this seems like a lot of money after 10 nl! | |
10-31-2013 07:53 PM
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I also want to start playing heads up regularly which I haven't been doing. I'll start at 5 nl. Bovada has 5 nl HU tables which is really cool. First I need to review the prinnyraiding videos and the HU chapter from Easy Game to get my basic strategy down. IIRC the guy who wrote the HU chapter in Easy Game, I think it's Matt Colletta, recommends a very polarized c-betting strategy. In the past, when I had nothing, I would just mix it up between giving up, barreling, or c/r'ing oop. A lot like roshambo. | |
10-31-2013 09:45 PM
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The Bovada website is bovada.lv. The '.lv' is the top-level domain for Latvia. The online gaming offered by Bovada, poker/casino/sportsbook, is run by the company Meadway Leisure Ltd which holds a license issued by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission. I couldn't find any information on Meadway Leisure. Probably they are a shell company owned by the Mohawk tribe but I don't know that. | |
11-01-2013 12:47 AM
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That carbon deposit bonus does expire (3 months I think), they just wont tell u when or how soon. FYI | |
11-01-2013 12:58 AM
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11-01-2013 06:31 AM
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Surprising to me that you're SB is soo much loose than the BB. Given you're paying 1bb from BB and only 0.5bb from SB, this really shouldn't be the case. | |
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11-01-2013 10:37 AM
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The SB is so much looser because of all the multi-way limped pots where I complete. You don't see all those hands in the BB vpip of course. There is very little stealing in these games. | |
11-01-2013 07:38 PM
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25 nl is so awesome. If you win a small pot that's like a whole buy-in at 10 nl. | |
Last edited by abelardx; 11-02-2013 at 03:10 PM. | |
11-02-2013 04:08 PM
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If you play on Bovada don't forget to sign up for the mystery month bonus. | |
11-03-2013 03:52 PM
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I had a hand today I'm proud of where I got to use a read to exploit somebody. That's one thing I really like about ring games as opposed to rush. You get to know who the bluffers are etc and adjust accordingly. | |
11-03-2013 04:25 PM
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I've been running ridiculously hot at 25 nl, up about 8 bi over about a thousand hands, flopping sets like it's my job. | |
11-04-2013 08:06 PM
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11-04-2013 09:34 PM
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I'm a little glad the heater's over. I was starting to get rungood tilt and overplay my hands. | |
11-04-2013 09:40 PM
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Playing with the red background on Bovada makes it look like you're playing in hell. | |
11-06-2013 08:06 PM
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Jesus H Christ man - you've made money from the small blind! What manner of beast are you? | |