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Originally Posted by kmind

pretty close to da cashout 4 gud

naah... you can try, but I won't allow it!

how many sessions do you play to get in 1.7k hands?

The problem with variance is that sometimes it lasts a while in terms of hands I feel. So for the ppl that play regularly but smaller volume, downswings and bad variance feels like it lasts forever! But it will still turnn.

You'll get out of this dude!

Thanks man it's just like I feel I switch my game up so when I downswing I accuse it on my new playing abilities but I kind of forget how to get back to how I was playing. I mean no real drastic changes and usually only do stuff with what I think makes sense. And admittedly it took me 3 sessions or so because I just don't usually have time for the longer sessions anymore. It sucks. The last thing I want to do is post just about losses and try to get sympathy but all I have are losses or breakeven stretches.

Damn. Crushed a reg all session long and he's challenging me HU any stakes ha. Anyways, I was doing so well the past few sessions but right now I just ended down 2.5 buyins. EV wise I am down like 1/5 of a buyin so I definitely didn't play poorly. It also doesn't include losing QQ < KK to a huge donk and QQ < KK to a "reg" kind of tighty but he 3bet me in the blinds to an extreme amount while on the button so I thought he was just being horrible and shipped it in.

I couldn't wait to show my updated graph with me skyrocketing upwards but . I also decided to keep playing after initially losing to beats and just "laughed it off". This helped a lot with my tilt. Thanks Alexos.

Suck it up

ME this month \/ \/ \/

Originally Posted by kmind

I couldn't wait to show my updated graph ...

And there you have your biggest problem. You are waay too much results oriented. Stop it.

Fuck graphs. Just play and concentrate on the decision at hand, and not on the excitement about showing off graphs to your peers.

Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer

Originally Posted by kmind

I couldn't wait to show my updated graph ...

And there you have your biggest problem. You are waay too much results oriented. Stop it.

Fuck graphs. Just play and concentrate on the decision at hand, and not on the excitement about showing off graphs to your peers.

It's in no way to brag or anything. Just prove that I am winning I guess. Tbh, I have NO idea how to not be results oriented when I pay for everything with poker money. If someone had any tips I'd love to hear them because I completely agree with being results oriented.

Dory once told marlin, Just keep swimming

Man, I wish I knew the answer to that kmind.

separate playing roll from life roll, ez game

I play with ridiculous amounts of buyins for each level so in a way I am. But nothing like knowing if I ran just barely bad I'd be at higher stakes. If I get a real job I'd easily just quit which I don't want to do for a number of reasons.

Alright. Goal for the month is to be up 5 buyins. I will not say where I am at so far and I won't get in a convo. on if I should make buyin goals. I have half the month to do it even though I will be extremely busy. GOGOGOGOGO

Past 2 days (-8 buyins):

Full Tilt Poker Game #14745678843: Table Tropicana (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:25:03 ET - 2009/09/16
Seat 1: Pinch99 ($94.25)
Seat 2: irishmouth ($26.50)
Seat 3: TarielBrasill ($14.40)
Seat 4: bak502021 ($50.80)
Seat 5: SuitsUs ($52.90)
Seat 6: MistaMina ($23.15)
bak502021 posts the small blind of $0.25
SuitsUs posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [6d 6c]
MistaMina folds
Pinch99 folds
irishmouth calls $0.50
TarielBrasill folds
bak502021 raises to $2.50
SuitsUs calls $2
irishmouth folds
*** FLOP *** [6s Kd Th]
bak502021 bets $4
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs has requested TIME
SuitsUs raises to $12
bak502021 calls $8
*** TURN *** [6s Kd Th] [4c]
bak502021 checks
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs has requested TIME
SuitsUs bets $11
bak502021 raises to $36.30, and is all in
SuitsUs calls $25.30
bak502021 shows [Tc Td]
SuitsUs shows [6d 6c]
*** RIVER *** [6s Kd Th 4c] [8d]
bak502021 shows three of a kind, Tens
SuitsUs shows three of a kind, Sixes
bak502021 wins the pot ($99.10) with three of a kind, Tens
SuitsUs adds $47.90
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $102.10 | Rake $3
Board: [6s Kd Th 4c 8d]
Seat 1: Pinch99 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: irishmouth folded before the Flop
Seat 3: TarielBrasill (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: bak502021 (small blind) showed [Tc Td] and won ($99.10) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 5: SuitsUs (big blind) showed [6d 6c] and lost with three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 6: MistaMina didn't bet (folded)

Full Tilt Poker Game #14745680374: Table Sacred (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:25:07 ET - 2009/09/16
Seat 1: surtidor ($24.10)
Seat 2: ZeRo115 ($56.90)
Seat 3: let_be_rock ($39.15)
Seat 4: Abong85 ($73.50)
Seat 5: Aenigmaticus ($38.45)
Seat 6: SuitsUs ($50)
let_be_rock posts the small blind of $0.25
Abong85 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Kc Kh]
Aenigmaticus folds
SuitsUs raises to $1.75
surtidor folds
ZeRo115 raises to $6
let_be_rock folds
Abong85 folds
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs has requested TIME
SuitsUs raises to $14
ZeRo115 raises to $56.90, and is all in
SuitsUs calls $36, and is all in
ZeRo115 shows [Ad As]
SuitsUs shows [Kc Kh]
Uncalled bet of $6.90 returned to ZeRo115
*** FLOP *** [3c 3h 5d]
*** TURN *** [3c 3h 5d] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [3c 3h 5d 5h] [4c]
ZeRo115 shows two pair, Aces and Fives
SuitsUs shows two pair, Kings and Fives
ZeRo115 wins the pot ($97.75) with two pair, Aces and Fives
SuitsUs adds $50
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $100.75 | Rake $3
Board: [3c 3h 5d 5h 4c]
Seat 1: surtidor didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: ZeRo115 (button) showed [Ad As] and won ($97.75) with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 3: let_be_rock (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Abong85 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Aenigmaticus didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: SuitsUs showed [Kc Kh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Fives

Full Tilt Poker Game #14718271799: Table Trailer (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:26:03 ET - 2009/09/15
Seat 1: gogole28 ($50.75)
Seat 2: pet au lait ($50)
Seat 3: KEIBLERELF ($33.10)
Seat 4: jayar78 ($13)
Seat 5: SuitsUs ($50.50)
Seat 6: MrTangDK ($51.10)
KEIBLERELF posts the small blind of $0.25
jayar78 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Qs Qc]
SuitsUs raises to $1.75
MrTangDK folds
gogole28 has 15 seconds left to act
gogole28 calls $1.75
pet au lait calls $1.75
KEIBLERELF calls $1.50
jayar78 raises to $13, and is all in
SuitsUs calls $11.25
gogole28 folds
gogole28 adds $1
pet au lait has 15 seconds left to act
pet au lait raises to $50, and is all in
KEIBLERELF calls $31.35, and is all in
SuitsUs calls $37
pet au lait shows [Qh Kd]
KEIBLERELF shows [9d 5d]
jayar78 shows [Qd Ah]
SuitsUs shows [Qs Qc]
*** FLOP *** [9h Kc Tc]
*** TURN *** [9h Kc Tc] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [9h Kc Tc Ts] [2s]
pet au lait shows two pair, Kings and Tens
SuitsUs shows two pair, Queens and Tens
pet au lait wins side pot #2 ($33.80) with two pair, Kings and Tens
KEIBLERELF shows two pair, Tens and Nines
pet au lait wins side pot #1 ($59.95) with two pair, Kings and Tens
jayar78 shows a pair of Tens
pet au lait wins the main pot ($51.10) with two pair, Kings and Tens
KEIBLERELF adds $25
jayar78 is sitting out
SuitsUs adds $49.50
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $147.85 Main pot $53.75. Side pot 1 $60.30. Side pot 2 $33.80. | Rake $3
Board: [9h Kc Tc Ts 2s]
Seat 1: gogole28 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: pet au lait (button) showed [Qh Kd] and won ($144.85) with two pair, Kings and Tens
Seat 3: KEIBLERELF (small blind) showed [9d 5d] and lost with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 4: jayar78 (big blind) showed [Qd Ah] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 5: SuitsUs showed [Qs Qc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 6: MrTangDK didn't bet (folded)

Full Tilt Poker Game #14714597566: Table Fast (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:10:58 ET - 2009/09/15
Seat 1: shxlfxm ($72.60)
Seat 2: SuitsUs ($50)
Seat 3: enrique4 ($48.05)
Seat 4: vanzele ($43.05)
Seat 5: Yorsh Vadzim ($24.85)
Seat 6: Clutch Hero ($50)
vanzele posts the small blind of $0.25
Yorsh Vadzim posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Ks Ad]
Clutch Hero folds
shxlfxm raises to $1.75
SuitsUs raises to $6
enrique4 folds
vanzele folds
Yorsh Vadzim folds
shxlfxm raises to $17
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs raises to $50, and is all in
shxlfxm calls $33
SuitsUs shows [Ks Ad]
shxlfxm shows [Ah Ac]
*** FLOP *** [7s Jh 7d]
*** TURN *** [7s Jh 7d] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [7s Jh 7d 5s] [7h]
SuitsUs shows three of a kind, Sevens
shxlfxm shows a full house, Sevens full of Aces
shxlfxm wins the pot ($97.75) with a full house, Sevens full of Aces
SuitsUs adds $50
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $100.75 | Rake $3
Board: [7s Jh 7d 5s 7h]
Seat 1: shxlfxm showed [Ah Ac] and won ($97.75) with a full house, Sevens full of Aces
Seat 2: SuitsUs showed [Ks Ad] and lost with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 3: enrique4 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: vanzele (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Yorsh Vadzim (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Clutch Hero didn't bet (folded)

Full Tilt Poker Game #14738075911: Table Propane (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:59:55 ET - 2009/09/16
Seat 1: SuitsUs ($62.80)
Seat 2: struep ($50)
Seat 3: Lackoo87gcb ($50)
Seat 4: blackeagle1071 ($41.30)
Seat 5: shxlfxm ($50)
Seat 6: ManOnWire ($52.40)
shxlfxm posts the small blind of $0.25
ManOnWire posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Qs Qd]
SuitsUs raises to $1.75
Lackoo87gcb folds
blackeagle1071 raises to $3
shxlfxm folds
shxlfxm adds $0.25
ManOnWire folds
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs has requested TIME
SuitsUs raises to $15
blackeagle1071 raises to $41.30, and is all in
SuitsUs calls $26.30
blackeagle1071 shows [Ah Ad]
SuitsUs shows [Qs Qd]
*** FLOP *** [Th 2s As]
*** TURN *** [Th 2s As] [9c]
*** RIVER *** [Th 2s As 9c] [5c]
blackeagle1071 shows three of a kind, Aces
SuitsUs shows a pair of Queens
blackeagle1071 wins the pot ($80.35) with three of a kind, Aces
SuitsUs adds $28.50
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $83.35 | Rake $3
Board: [Th 2s As 9c 5c]
Seat 1: SuitsUs showed [Qs Qd] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 2: struep is sitting out
Seat 3: Lackoo87gcb didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: blackeagle1071 (button) showed [Ah Ad] and won ($80.35) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 5: shxlfxm (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: ManOnWire (big blind) folded before the Flop

Full Tilt Poker Game #14745392457: Table Tropicana (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:11:52 ET - 2009/09/16
Seat 1: Pinch99 ($50)
Seat 2: angelito91 ($24.30)
Seat 3: TarielBrasill ($16.75)
Seat 4: bak502021 ($51.05)
Seat 5: SuitsUs ($56.10)
Seat 6: DawnSC ($20)
TarielBrasill posts the small blind of $0.25
bak502021 posts the big blind of $0.50
5 seconds left to act
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Js Jd]
SuitsUs raises to $1.75
Pinch99 folds
angelito91 calls $1.75
TarielBrasill folds
bak502021 folds
*** FLOP *** [5h 7c 5d]
SuitsUs bets $3
angelito91 calls $3
*** TURN *** [5h 7c 5d] [2h]
SuitsUs bets $7
angelito91 raises to $19.55, and is all in
SuitsUs calls $12.55
angelito91 shows [7s 7d]
SuitsUs shows [Js Jd]
*** RIVER *** [5h 7c 5d 2h] [Qd]
angelito91 shows a full house, Sevens full of Fives
SuitsUs shows two pair, Jacks and Fives
angelito91 wins the pot ($46.90) with a full house, Sevens full of Fives
SuitsUs adds $18.20
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $49.35 | Rake $2.45
Board: [5h 7c 5d 2h Qd]
Seat 1: Pinch99 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: angelito91 (button) showed [7s 7d] and won ($46.90) with a full house, Sevens full of Fives
Seat 3: TarielBrasill (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: bak502021 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: SuitsUs showed [Js Jd] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Fives
Seat 6: DawnSC is sitting out

Full Tilt Poker Game #14728829607: Table Mello (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:36:09 ET - 2009/09/16
Seat 1: SuitsUs ($64.90)
Seat 2: shunyok ($55.25)
Seat 3: Elizabeths Hott ($22.40)
Seat 4: sharktime79 ($40.80)
Seat 5: JeffLeDINGUE ($57.40)
Seat 6: iFLIP808 ($28.90)
Elizabeths Hott posts the small blind of $0.25
sharktime79 posts the big blind of $0.50
iFLIP808 posts $0.50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Ad Ac]
JeffLeDINGUE folds
iFLIP808 checks
SuitsUs raises to $2.25
shunyok folds
Elizabeths Hott calls $2
sharktime79 folds
iFLIP808 folds
*** FLOP *** [9s 2s Th]
Elizabeths Hott checks
SuitsUs bets $4
Elizabeths Hott calls $4
*** TURN *** [9s 2s Th] [Jd]
iFLIP808 stands up
Elizabeths Hott has 15 seconds left to act
Elizabeths Hott checks
SuitsUs bets $8
Elizabeths Hott calls $8
*** RIVER *** [9s 2s Th Jd] [3s]
Elizabeths Hott has 15 seconds left to act
Elizabeths Hott bets $8.15, and is all in
SuitsUs calls $8.15
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Elizabeths Hott shows [5s Js] a flush, Jack high
SuitsUs mucks
Elizabeths Hott wins the pot ($43.55) with a flush, Jack high
SuitsUs adds $7.50
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $45.80 | Rake $2.25
Board: [9s 2s Th Jd 3s]
Seat 1: SuitsUs mucked [Ad Ac] - a pair of Aces
Seat 2: shunyok (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Elizabeths Hott (small blind) showed [5s Js] and won ($43.55) with a flush, Jack high
Seat 4: sharktime79 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: JeffLeDINGUE didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: iFLIP808 folded before the Flop

Full Tilt Poker Game #14715048862: Table Dig (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - Pot Limit Hold'em - 13:37:05 ET - 2009/09/15
Seat 1: AATeslacoil ($40.30)
Seat 2: SuitsUs ($88.25)
Seat 3: skimman ($69.85)
Seat 4: Dexlexia ($92.10)
Seat 5: cashout4me ($90.30)
Seat 6: LaynLow111 ($50.25)
LaynLow111 posts the small blind of $0.25
AATeslacoil posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Qh Qc]
SuitsUs raises to $1.75
skimman calls $1.75
Dexlexia folds
cashout4me calls $1.75
LaynLow111 folds
AATeslacoil calls $1.25
*** FLOP *** [4d Jd 5h]
AATeslacoil checks
SuitsUs bets $5
skimman has 15 seconds left to act
skimman raises to $15
cashout4me folds
AATeslacoil has 15 seconds left to act
AATeslacoil calls $15
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs has requested TIME
SuitsUs raises to $67.25
skimman raises to $68.10, and is all in
AATeslacoil calls $23.55, and is all in
SuitsUs calls $0.85
skimman shows [5c 5s]
AATeslacoil shows [Ad 2d]
SuitsUs shows [Qh Qc]
*** TURN *** [4d Jd 5h] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [4d Jd 5h Jc] [6d]
skimman shows a full house, Fives full of Jacks
SuitsUs shows two pair, Queens and Jacks
skimman wins the side pot ($59.10) with a full house, Fives full of Jacks
AATeslacoil shows a flush, Ace high
skimman wins the main pot ($119.90) with a full house, Fives full of Jacks
AATeslacoil is sitting out
SuitsUs adds $31.60
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $182 Main pot $122.90. Side pot $59.10. | Rake $3
Board: [4d Jd 5h Jc 6d]
Seat 1: AATeslacoil (big blind) showed [Ad 2d] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: SuitsUs showed [Qh Qc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 3: skimman showed [5c 5s] and won ($179) with a full house, Fives full of Jacks
Seat 4: Dexlexia didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: cashout4me (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: LaynLow111 (small blind) folded before the Flop


I have to admit, I understand that we're supposed to run worse than we possibly ever have (3 months now for me...53k hands) but at the microstakes it seems like it shouldn't matter much. I know I misplayed some of those hands but please tell me most are coolers. What you do not see here is me literally missing more flops than ever. You will not believe how many times I hit a set with AA but only AA. I'd rather hit my sets with TT-22. I'm getting 3bet by nits nonstop to my steals. It's ridiculous. I'm playing 17/12 too. In no way am I spewing too much. The AK hand was played poorly though villain was pretty loose.

That said, I am working very hard on improving. I have almost finished writing an article that will hopefully spark discussion.

I'm not sure if I am moving down or not. I have plenty to play 100NL but I am looking at 25NL. I'm now not able to afford the things I promised my gf and that makes me look like failure. Broken promises suck. My bankroll isn't my money though. I need to keep remembering that.

ps I have yet to get it allin preflop AA vs. anything 100bb deep this month

http://www.holdemmanager.net
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Full Tilt Game#14747925634

buschbeer420 ($71.60)
DeeboPotatoes ($63.35)
diggdodger ($50)
DrawingDeadFred ($50)
SuitsUs ($50)
Pinch99 ($85.85)

buschbeer420 posts (SB) $0.25
DeeboPotatoes posts (BB) $0.50

Dealt to SuitsUs As Kh
fold, fold,
SuitsUs raises to $1.75
Pinch99 calls $1.75
buschbeer420 calls $1.50
DeeboPotatoes calls $1.25
FLOP ($7) Ac 7c Td
buschbeer420 bets $2.50
DeeboPotatoes calls $2.50
SuitsUs raises to $9
Pinch99 folds
buschbeer420 calls $6.50
DeeboPotatoes calls $6.50
TURN ($34) Ac 7c Td 8s
buschbeer420 checks
DeeboPotatoes checks
SuitsUs bets $20
buschbeer420 folds
DeeboPotatoes calls $20
RIVER ($74) Ac 7c Td 8s Qh
DeeboPotatoes bets $32.60 (AI)
SuitsUs calls $19.25 (AI)
SuitsUs shows As Kh
(Pre 74%, Flop 77.9%, Turn 81.8%)

DeeboPotatoes shows Kc Jd
(Pre 26%, Flop 22.1%, Turn 18.2%)

DeeboPotatoes wins $109

Lost a flip. Down 7 buyins today now.

I swear if any of you motherfuckers try to fucking say you run bad go fuckyourself

Originally Posted by kmind

I have to admit, I understand that we're supposed to run worse than we possibly ever have (3 months now for me...53k hands) but at the microstakes it seems like it shouldn't matter much.

check my july graph. You're right though, if you're losing over 50k hands at low stakes then it's not just -ve variance.
Also, i'm sure that you've been on the right end of at least one or two coolers during that time.


comments from a FR nit

hand 1: 66
cooler, although this is often a fold pre

hand 2: KK<AA

hand 3: QQ<something. Meh, not even technically a bad beat

hand 4: AK
spew, unless you're super comfortable this villain 4-bet bluffs in non blind confrontations. Put him on a range etc.

hand 5: QQ
I call the min-3-bet without reads

hand 6: JJ
reads determine whether this play was ok. Fine given that villain was so shallow i guess.

hand 7: AA
your turn bet sizing was bad. Given the inability to fold if a river draw hits, I just overbet to $17

hand 8: QQ
um, you played the flop poorly. There is a button with FOLD on it.

hand 9: AK
bet turn a little bigger, cos again I can see you calling a river club...

hand 10: losing flips sucks

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FUCK MY FUCKING POKER LIFE

Originally Posted by kmind

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FUCK MY FUCKING POKER LIFE

picsss or it didn't happen :P

Kmind u check out the Tommy angelo series on DC?... its fkin amazing for downswings

they turn you into a professional yoga player

I know you don't want to hear it but there is obviously a problem. I have one too and maybe I can help a little. Are you over thinking. Is it possible your not one level up on a lot of these guys. Try to follow me here, you may actually be out thinking yourself. Your thinking in terms of ranges, and what they are thinking that you are trying to represent, when in all actuality almost all of the regs are barely at level 1 ( what does he have) If you think beyond what does he think (level 2) I have with those guys and level 1 ( what does he have) with almost all others you will be leveling yourself. You need to dial down the skills and that in itself is a skill. Stop trying to "represent", stop overestimating FE, and stop trying to "outplay" the bad players. You know they are bad and you know the key to beating anything under $200NL, VB VB VB. Make good hands or fold. Fuck balance, fuck merging, and fuck how bad they are, they can't fold and they surely can't count. they aren't watching you, they aren't taking notes on you, and they don't care what you are doing, they just care about the two cards in there hand, and by playing tighter, aggressive with good hands or equity we profit. I forget this as much as you. I typed this for me as much as you. Here is something to think about, from an old CR video

Originally Posted by sbrugby

Your decisions are solely responsible for your long term results in poker. Short term is just that, but we control every aspect of our long term poker career. Take responsibility for your decisions.
Generally, just avoid the good players. When getting re-raised, or 3bet, find better spots

Thank you guys. I had 2-3 winning days and then lost with the second nuts to the nuts to a donk and then middle two pair to top two pair vs. a donk both for stacks and took away my winnings. It's so frustrating. I'm getting sweated by a couple of guys and it seems to be going well at least. Literally both of the guys in both sweats said "Wow, holy crap, I have never seen worse turn and river cards in my life" throughout the sweats while laughing in disbelief. That helps in some sense making me feel more like poker shouldn't be like this but wow. I'm working on leaks as it is anyways.

Alexos - Yeah I think I need to forget any strategy videos and strictly watch these

Jyms - I feel like me and you should talk more. I'll try to get on AIM more often.

As an insult to injury, I just got rushed to the ER who then had to staple my head because something split my head open. Good day. Fun life the past 3 months...

Originally Posted by kmind

As an insult to injury, I just got rushed to the ER who then had to staple my head because something split my head open. Good day. Fun life the past 3 months...

holy crap dude, you ok man? Hope you're doing alright!
What happeneddd?

Embarrassingly enough, I had my xbox 360 and cable box on top of my tv but it like barely fits on top and is really not safe up there. Anyways, I was trying to do something behind the TV while talking to the cable guy both the xbox and cable box (corner) fell on my head. I just kept talking and was like wow wtf did I just do. So after he hung up I fell to the floor and held my head thinking how much this stings and how there's probably going to be a bruise. But then I noticed blood on the floor and I thought it was my dog's until I started seeing my head squirt out blood like a volcano. Literally. It was shooting out of my head. So I was like wtffff and put a towel over it and called whoever was in my phone first which was my dad and he called an ambulance and what not but we got ahold of my neighbor first and she came and took me to the ER. They said I was really lucky and only need a couple of staples. My parents were like crying so I felt really bad and I hate saying this but really put things into perspective. My neighbor was so extremely nice too.

I have 2 tests tomorrow and emailed both teachers. One was extremely cool with it and the other teacher hasn't responded and I'm worried because in the syllabus it says that there are no make up exams period. Laaaaame. I'm eagerly awaiting the not only poker run good but the life run good as well that should be heading my way. Looks like I will probably have to move down stakes and rebuild my roll because I have to withdraw soon. GG poker.

holy crap dude, perspective for sure.

I'm glad you're doing alright man, and I'm sure they'll understand about the tests.

Originally Posted by Alexos

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they turn you into a professional yoga player

Thanks for this, I just re registered for 6 months. I get all the strat I can from BFP and you guys. I need Tommy and love his shit.

Originally Posted by kmind

As an insult to injury, I just got rushed to the ER who then had to staple my head because something split my head open.

Is it bad that I laughed and thought "man, finally kmind ran so bad his head exploded!"?

MEANIE

Ok so I am pretty dumb and lazy. Can someone tell me what this means and if it should be of any importance. Keep in mind I don't play many hands so all the "lol what a noob" stuff hurts my feelings.

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Wow I run bad

ironman gives $100 per month if you get 200 points 25 days out of the month
$20 if you don't play the freeroll in additional medals

you also start off at $20 per month in medals, and increases up to $180 a month after you play 3 years

Thanks. So, if I "accept" or whatever, this would all start next month right?

Down 1.5 buyins today. FML. Got shat on. What's new? Had AA and KK go to postflop once...both lost to huge donks. TPTK < nuts when the dude c/c/half pot, 99 < Q5o allin preflop 30bb, barely hit any of my broad way hands I raised preflop, TPGK < Two pair vs. 100 vpip guy. Flopped 2 sets, one the guy folded to my raise the other the board got completely gross. It's just annoying as crap. P.S. I got my first stack in preflop ahead and won the other day. KK > AQs. Yet to see them aces go the distance. Roll is smaller than it's been in a year I guess? I don't know. Umm, tbh I may have to withdraw everything soon and ask for a stake. Shall be interesting.

Originally Posted by kmind

Thanks. So, if I "accept" or whatever, this would all start next month right?

no clue, you might have already been getting credit for it

Played 2k hands today and down 4 buyins. Running extremely horrible like normal.

Like seriously the shit I see is ridiculous. Players will make HUGE mistakes and still win. Just annoying. And I'm not really buying the whole "good, the more mistakes by them, the more you win" because I haven't seen it much really. I do bad, they do worse, they win.

I run worse than anyone ever in the history of anything poop you

Same fucking shit today: Cooler, cooler, run bad, run bad, cooler

Ok spoke to soon. Cooler after cooler. Sweet.

Not sure anymore. Just got coolered while typing this for another 200bb pot. I reallllly think some of those tilt videos need to be watched. I'm literally sweating from being so frustrated of this crap. EVERY single draw/good card in their range gets there it's insane. AA literally getting all folds or losing to a suckout postflop against a donk.

Rest of today goot? No.

Big hand went up $100 today. Back down to around even. Why? Oh, coolers.

KK < AJ allin pre fml

Finally getting decent results.

This was meant as in running normal. Well, more normal but still bad of course. Today was back to just being shat on completely. Hmm. Back to the grind.

I honestly want to be like "oh who cares about running bad let's get it out of my head" but I really don't know how when that's all I get.

What do I do? Poker drives me insane lately but it's me DOMINATING only to get fucked over. Quit? HAAAAAAAAASDKLHFJSDFADSFADFA

seriously this game is so fucking annoying. I wish I dealt with this shit earlier. I wish I was worse than I was. I wish this shit made fucking sense.
Yeah fuc.k you.

I swear if any of you motherfuckers try to fucking say you run bad go fuckyourself

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FUCK MY FUCKING POKER LIFE

Wow I run bad

Down 1.5 buyins today. FML. Got shat on. What's new?

Umm, tbh I may have to withdraw everything soon and ask for a stake.

What makes you think you'll be able to get a stake when for the last few months your sole purpose of having an account on FTR has been to bitch about how FTP is rigged against you. People might feel bad for you but they won't give you money unless you demonstrate the thought process and emotional stability to be a winning player, which you haven't done in quite some time.

pretty sure kf runs worse

I don't feel like I tilt. I'm numb to the beats when they actually happen, just paranoid when I click "cashier" afterward. Tbh, I semi-want to get banned but there are some players I'd lose touch with and some other stuff I don't want to miss out on.

I'm not really sure what else to post? I guess not post at all? I mean, if I have tons of trouble on a hand I'll post it to higher stakes guys on AIM and they'll say "std" most of the time. I mean this heavily affects me overall because having a real job right now would ruin a lot of things for me. I'm now shaking at the thought of having to withdraw a little soon.

As for the stake. Yeah you are right probably. But I have had successful stakes (2 for 2) when I was a lot worse of a player. I have made over $10k. Who knows, maybe I am getting worse somehow but very doubtful when I am investing in a lot of private coaching.

Last month did not go well. I had my first losing month in awhile (ever...I don't know). Definitely a confidence killer. I've been working a lot (mainly on my own) to get better emotionally and just with poker overall. I had a great talk with my girlfriend about this and she seemed to give very solid advice mimicking what other poker players usually tell me. I feel a lot more at ease when playing. As far as studying, I am really diving deep into my database. Looking at my stats and seeing if I can improve, checking out other players stats to an extent, talking to other players etc. I really feel like I have fixed a couple of leaks from calling a tad too lightly in the blinds, not cbetting enough, not 3betting enough and not isolating bad players/limpers enough.

So far this month things are going well. I've only played 1k hands for multiple reasons but I am winning at a solid 18.59bb/100. It's for sure still somewhat deflating to see my EVbb/100 at 40.72bb/100 but what can you do?

Damn nice jinx. Down 2.5 buyins today. Bye bye profits. I honestly struggle vs. donks who donk bet pot while I hold midpair-Wkicker on drawwy boards. I just nit up and fold because I have no idea what the board changes on any turn. I am very determined to have a good month though and I will not tilt. As of now I will not even mention EV this whole month.

Originally Posted by kmind

Damn nice jinx. Down 2.5 buyins today. Bye bye profits. I honestly struggle vs. donks who donk bet pot while I hold midpair-Wkicker on drawwy boards. I just nit up and fold because I have no idea what the board changes on any turn. I am very determined to have a good month though and I will not tilt. As of now I will not even mention EV this whole month.

good luck dude, you can do it!

Good attitude kmizzle. EV whines suck.

GL

Thank you guys! Down another .5 buyins while letting the girlfriend play. Def. improving though. I was telling "BOOM! I have this won if he doesn't show up with xx here" and they had it haha. Oh well. I may drop to...25NL...for a little. Sigh. Don't think I can really make a living there so should be weird/not worth it. I'm definitely seeing the top of people's ranges a lot so it's really just a matter of time. I'm going to play a lot tomorrow, Monday and Tuesday then go visit my gf for awhile. Much love FTR.

Originally Posted by kmind

I'm definitely seeing the top of people's ranges a lot .

you have been saying this a lot recently. Are you sure you aren't over-estimating the width/weakness of the ranges you are up against?

I suggest posting 4 biggest winning/losing hands from every session here for a while. This will inevitably include boring/standard spots, coolers, beats, etc - but post them anyway. Include your estimates of villain's range. It will also include hands you played less than optimally, unless you are better than any other poker player in existence.

Originally Posted by kmind

I'm definitely seeing the top of people's ranges a lot .

you have been saying this a lot recently. Are you sure you aren't over-estimating the width/weakness of the ranges you are up against?

I suggest posting 4 biggest winning/losing hands from every session here for a while. This will inevitably include boring/standard spots, coolers, beats, etc - but post them anyway. Include your estimates of villain's range. It will also include hands you played less than optimally, unless you are better than any other poker player in existence.

Thanks for the suggestion I think I am going to do that. From my experience, yes, I am seeing exactly the few hands I see in someone's range that beats me when I believe there are other hands I beat.

Doesnt even need to be the biggest ones, just a few where you think you ran into the top of ranges, and post them with the range you gave them and why you gave them that range.

Will post more hands later but played 2k hands of 25nl. Down 2.5 buyins. Thought I actually played ok but lost a good amount of AK < KK, QQ < KK etc. I don't really feel worried though I might should be. I'm trying to sink in the responses in my stats thread in the 6max forum. A ton of great advice from great players and I am so thankful for that.

I figure if I lose a few more buyins it's time to cashout and look for a stake somehow either at 2+2, some other random website, or maybe someone here. I am now down for the month with a slope casually going downwards.

This guy was crazy over the few hands I had on him. He insta bet turn/river.
Full Tilt Poker Game #15326149869: Table St Kitts (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:26:03 ET - 2009/10/14
Seat 1: Jok3rs_Full ($31.85)
Seat 2: BE76Pilot ($25)
Seat 3: kakarot88 ($26.10)
Seat 4: SuitsUs ($25)
Seat 5: serpent-mark ($5)
Seat 6: Tejanosol 678 ($28.12)
serpent-mark posts the small blind of $0.10
Tejanosol 678 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [9h Jh]
Jok3rs_Full folds
BE76Pilot folds
kakarot88 folds
SuitsUs raises to $0.75
serpent-mark folds
serpent-mark adds $0.10
Tejanosol 678 calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [4h 7c 9d]
Tejanosol 678 bets $1.60
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs calls $1.60
*** TURN *** [4h 7c 9d] [2c]
Tejanosol 678 bets $4.80
SuitsUs calls $4.80
*** RIVER *** [4h 7c 9d 2c] [9s]
Tejanosol 678 bets $20.97, and is all in
SuitsUs calls $17.85, and is all in


This guy was a donk playing 29/9 over 30 hands. Never really got any postflop reads.
Full Tilt Poker Game #15326506305: Table Edwards (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:47:46 ET - 2009/10/14
Seat 1: larzdogg ($21.66)
Seat 2: Danske_Cash ($23.96)
Seat 3: fotonek ($27.01)
Seat 4: Tyzk ($25)
Seat 5: toto2466 ($19.75)
Seat 6: SuitsUs ($25)
larzdogg posts the small blind of $0.10
Danske_Cash posts the big blind of $0.25
5 seconds left to act
toto2466 posts a dead small blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Qs Qc]
fotonek folds
Tyzk folds
toto2466 folds
SuitsUs raises to $0.75
larzdogg folds
Danske_Cash calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [Qh Td Ad]
Danske_Cash checks
SuitsUs bets $1.25
Danske_Cash raises to $2.50
SuitsUs raises to $6.50
Danske_Cash raises to $23.21, and is all in
SuitsUs calls $16.71

This guy seemed reggy over a few hands but less than 100 on him. I plan to double barrel basically any turn and thought a club was def. great.
Full Tilt Poker Game #15326855975: Table Piston (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:11:56 ET - 2009/10/14
Seat 1: billobob ($21.04)
Seat 2: chicagopoker79 ($35.04)
Seat 4: SuitsUs ($27.13)
Seat 5: artisan1999 ($22.02)
Seat 6: djcap1 ($34.15)
SuitsUs posts the small blind of $0.10
artisan1999 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Ah Th]
djcap1 folds
billobob folds
chicagopoker79 raises to $0.85
SuitsUs raises to $2.80
namano sits down
namano adds $15
artisan1999 folds
chicagopoker79 calls $1.95
*** FLOP *** [6s Qc 6c]
SuitsUs bets $2.75
chicagopoker79 calls $2.75
*** TURN *** [6s Qc 6c] [8c]
SuitsUs bets $8


Villain is a reg and me and him went at it with preflop wars a lot
Full Tilt Poker Game #15326384289: Table Grover (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:40:05 ET - 2009/10/14
Seat 1: Mirabella32 ($25.51)
Seat 2: Southridge88 ($25.45)
Seat 3: SuitsUs ($56.02)
Seat 4: Ch3ckMat3in3 ($25.57)
Seat 5: bacnamahn ($20.53)
Seat 6: Rand9216 ($31.63)
Southridge88 posts the small blind of $0.10
SuitsUs posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [As 7s]
Ch3ckMat3in3 folds
bacnamahn folds
Rand9216 folds
Mirabella32 raises to $0.75
Southridge88 calls $0.65
SuitsUs raises to $4
Mirabella32 folds
Mirabella32 adds $0.24
Southridge88 calls $3.25
*** FLOP *** [Jd Ad 8s]
Southridge88 checks
SuitsUs checks
*** TURN *** [Jd Ad 8s] [5d]
Southridge88 bets $5.25
SuitsUs calls $5.25
*** RIVER *** [Jd Ad 8s 5d] [Js]
Southridge88 bets $16.20, and is all in
SuitsUs folds


Villain was a donk over a few hands and wasn't too aggro. I get so confused in these situations because my hand is so vulnerable.
Full Tilt Poker Game #15326035483: Table St Kitts (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:19:31 ET - 2009/10/14
Seat 1: Jok3rs_Full ($29.12)
Seat 2: BE76Pilot ($25)
Seat 4: SuitsUs ($25)
Seat 5: RnR69 ($39.86)
Seat 6: Tejanosol 678 ($19.50)
SuitsUs posts the small blind of $0.10
RnR69 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Js Ah]
Tejanosol 678 calls $0.25
Jok3rs_Full folds
BE76Pilot folds
SuitsUs raises to $1.25
kakarot88 sits down
RnR69 folds
kakarot88 adds $25
Tejanosol 678 calls $1
*** FLOP *** [9d Ac 7d]
SuitsUs bets $2
Tejanosol 678 calls $2
*** TURN *** [9d Ac 7d] [8c]
SuitsUs bets $4.70
Tejanosol 678 raises to $16.25, and is all in
SuitsUs folds

9hJh hand
wow, this hand is crazy. I'm trying to find a better line. Based on read he has a 9 here a lot, meh. It's kinda gross but i think it's a call.

QQ hand
30 hands is too few to classify someone completely as a donk. Obviously he has KJ here sometimes, but this is never a fold.

AT hand
i dislike the plan to barrel any turn.

A7 4
If you're at war with a reg you probably don't need to be squeezing here, especially from out of position.

AJ hand
iso good. Flop cbet good. Turn you're not good much vs a "wasn't too aggro" read, but number of hands? enough to have a fold-to-cbet stat that means anything? I'm not sure that the turn is always a barrel, depends loads on reads/history/etc.

A7 hand is IP vs. the reg. I was at war with to clear things up. Why don't you like the AT hand? I feel like he has a mediocre hand (midPP - weak Q) that he'll have a tough time continuing with.

Originally Posted by kmind

I figure if I lose a few more buyins it's time to cashout and look for a stake somehow either at 2+2, some other random website, or maybe someone here. I am now down for the month with a slope casually going downwards.

I haven't looked at these hands yet but wanted to talk about this. You have mentioned this a few times but I wonder what the thinking is? Do you think your able to earn money being staked? Enough to pay the Stake and yourself? If that's the case, then stake yourself. Save the money a stake would need to pay out to the holder and just pay yourself. Dude, I feel ya, we know I have had problems like these as well and am currently fighting my way out of it but you need to think this through. You really think a staking will save your ass? How? You will have to pay out even more than you are losing now, your confidence won't change and your game will be pretty much the same.

Seriously, what will be the difference maker in a stake, I really want to know? It just doesn't make sense to me.

Originally Posted by daven

9hJh hand
wow, this hand is crazy. I'm trying to find a better line. Based on read he has a 9 here a lot, meh. It's kinda gross but i think it's a call.

QQ hand
30 hands is too few to classify someone completely as a donk. Obviously he has KJ here sometimes, but this is never a fold.

AT hand
i dislike the plan to barrel any turn.

A7 4
If you're at war with a reg you probably don't need to be squeezing here, especially from out of position.

AJ hand
iso good. Flop cbet good. Turn you're not good much vs a "wasn't too aggro" read, but number of hands? enough to have a fold-to-cbet stat that means anything? I'm not sure that the turn is always a barrel, depends loads on reads/history/etc.

J9hh is close. Flop is fine, turn could be a fold given sizing of flop+turn, unless you had a read that he was a spazz potting everything. River yah I'd call, he could view this as a good bluffing card to get you off TT+.

QQ meh cooler if you lose.

AT - yah I also like the dislike the plan to barrel any turn. Feel like QX (specifically KQ/AQ makes up a reasonably strong portion of ppl's 3bet callin range.) Also the club is irrelevant in a 3bet pot, ppl aren't gonna put you on many flushes.

A7 - squeeze sizing seems somewhat large, I'd prob just make it $3. Flop and turn seem fine, river is all 'feel' here. Tough to say really.

AJ - yah flop is fine, turn is close. I might check re-eval this sometimes. b/f is ok

Originally Posted by jyms

Originally Posted by kmind

I figure if I lose a few more buyins it's time to cashout and look for a stake somehow either at 2+2, some other random website, or maybe someone here. I am now down for the month with a slope casually going downwards.

I haven't looked at these hands yet but wanted to talk about this. You have mentioned this a few times but I wonder what the thinking is? Do you think your able to earn money being staked? Enough to pay the Stake and yourself? If that's the case, then stake yourself. Save the money a stake would need to pay out to the holder and just pay yourself. Dude, I feel ya, we know I have had problems like these as well and am currently fighting my way out of it but you need to think this through. You really think a staking will save your ass? How? You will have to pay out even more than you are losing now, your confidence won't change and your game will be pretty much the same.

Seriously, what will be the difference maker in a stake, I really want to know? It just doesn't make sense to me.

It's completely the fact that I have to withdraw a lot. I figure if I cashout everything at a certain BR stopping point, I will have enough to live off of for a few months (I'm a college student living with my parents so I don't have to pay too much). Getting a job while taking a mass number of classes as well as having a long distance relationship just seems way too incredibly hard for now.

No man, that dowsn't make sense. what would be yur current condition as far as BR and money needed to withdraw say for the next few months as you put it, and what would the stake do to circumvent this and make you better off? You can AIM me if you don't want to talk about it here, but the problem seems to be in your details of what you think will be better. I'd like to see some math of the two differing thoughts

Originally Posted by kmind

A7 hand is IP vs. the reg. I was at war with to clear things up.

i missed that. Reads on the pre-flop raiser would be good. I dunno, i don't like squeezing this type of hand too much - maybe cos i'm a full-nit most of the time.
If this is an atc squeeze then fine, depends on reads.

Originally Posted by kmind

This guy seemed reggy over a few hands

Originally Posted by kmind

Why don't you like the AT hand? I feel like he has a mediocre hand (midPP - weak Q) that he'll have a tough time continuing with.

I'm thinking about villain's pre-flop call 3-bet range. I realise that it's button vs blind, but the queens in his range aren't particularly weak, he is unlikely to perceive the club as a huge risk, he can easily have picked up a decent flush draw (note that you don't have blockers) that makes it even less likely that he's folding. Dunno, it looks as though he has a reasonably strong range after the flop call or thinks you're full of shit - maybe both.

re the money thing. I recommend (as per someone in your stats thread, can't remember who) withdrawing to leave yourself ok rolled at 25nl. Play some hands, move up when you are feeling good about it all. I don't know much about your play, but i get the impression that you play incredibly low volume 2-3-tabling. I'm pretty sure it's ok to 5-table 6-max 25nl, and the players are mostly going to be pretty crap there. Loads of people debate 25nl vs 50nl cos their return is the same until they get better at 50nl, so maybe you'll be able to make enough money? dunno, just seems like it's better to keep the money for yourself than kill your winrate by giving most of it away. Then again, i know next to nothing about you - if i'm out of line then I apologise.

Thanks for the help Daven. I understand the AT hand more after a talk with griffey and we just basically came up with the same conclusion as you did.

The money thing, yeah I'll continue to play without a stake. Not sure what limit yet (50 or 25) and I just need to play a ton more. I actually play more tables than most would think but just start losing and end sessions quickly (leak?)

AT is pretty bad, you're continuing a semi-bluff here on turn with all AcX KcX and a bunch of other stuff and he prolly knows that so its not a good card to barrel. I'd even c/f flop sometimes.

A7s is spewy, id call preflop more often than I squeeze. It's even more spewy when you guys are in preflop wars since he's even more likely to call with AT/AJ and have u dominated.

AJ id be tempted to get it in. Just stove 56,TJ,A8,78,89 and a lot of combo draws, see what you get. Prolly very close.

If he was deeper then we can discount all combo draws given his passiveness and make this an easy fold.

Full Tilt Poker Game #15335489075: Table Anthem (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:54:28 ET - 2009/10/14
Seat 1: SuitsUs ($26.85)
Seat 2: mon4h ($29.23)
Seat 3: TimOH2Time ($24.75)
Seat 4: minds99 ($14.75)
Seat 5: BaekeJ ($25.60)
Seat 6: ITSNOGOOD4U ($25.60)
TimOH2Time posts the small blind of $0.10
minds99 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Kh Kd]
BaekeJ folds
ITSNOGOOD4U folds
SuitsUs raises to $0.90
mon4h has 15 seconds left to act
mon4h has timed out
mon4h folds
mon4h is sitting out
TimOH2Time folds
TimOH2Time adds $0.35
minds99 raises to $1.55
mon4h has returned
SuitsUs raises to $5
minds99 raises to $14.75, and is all in
SuitsUs calls $9.75
minds99 shows [Ad Ah]
SuitsUs shows [Kh Kd]
*** FLOP *** [9d Jd Jh]
*** TURN *** [9d Jd Jh] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [9d Jd Jh Qd] [5d]
minds99 shows a flush, Ace high
SuitsUs shows a flush, King high
minds99 wins the pot ($28.12) with a flush, Ace high
SuitsUs adds $12.90
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $29.60 | Rake $1.48
Board: [9d Jd Jh Qd 5d]
Seat 1: SuitsUs showed [Kh Kd] and lost with a flush, King high
Seat 2: mon4h (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: TimOH2Time (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: minds99 (big blind) showed [Ad Ah] and won ($28.12) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: BaekeJ didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: ITSNOGOOD4U didn't bet (folded)


Again, against someone with history. He's reggish and I caught him bluffing before. I wanted to fold turn. Thoughts?
Full Tilt Poker Game #15335807485: Table Hidden (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:12:50 ET - 2009/10/14
Seat 1: Sponaa ($32.97)
Seat 2: schaggy66 ($10.61)
Seat 3: SuitsUs ($27.88)
Seat 4: Black Monday 87 ($25.10)
Seat 5: DrShrimp ($35.88)
Seat 6: 77moy77 ($5.15)
SuitsUs posts the small blind of $0.10
Black Monday 87 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [9s Ah]
DrShrimp folds
77moy77 folds
Sponaa folds
schaggy66 calls $0.25
SuitsUs raises to $1.25
Black Monday 87 calls $1
schaggy66 folds
*** FLOP *** [Ac Jd Ts]
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs has requested TIME
SuitsUs checks
Black Monday 87 bets $1
SuitsUs calls $1
*** TURN *** [Ac Jd Ts] [4d]
SuitsUs checks
Black Monday 87 bets $2
SuitsUs calls $2
*** RIVER *** [Ac Jd Ts 4d] [Qh]
SuitsUs bets $6


Full Tilt Poker Game #15335776662: Table Oil (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:11:14 ET - 2009/10/14
Seat 1: 2link ($30.18)
Seat 2: EnneirdA ($25)
Seat 3: Indianlil ($29.56)
Seat 4: Mr Socket ($18.42)
Seat 5: Eightfivee ($9.65)
Seat 6: SuitsUs ($33.43)
Indianlil posts the small blind of $0.10
Mr Socket posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Jd Js]
Eightfivee calls $0.25
SuitsUs raises to $1.25
2link folds
EnneirdA folds
Indianlil folds
Mr Socket calls $1
Eightfivee raises to $3
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs raises to $7.75
Mr Socket folds
Eightfivee raises to $9.65, and is all in
SuitsUs calls $1.90

A9- fold turn yes.
JJ- This is always AA, but its fun to find out if it really is THIS time

i want to see you get your game together kmind, what you are experiencing is undoubtedly painful. downswings are difficult to manage, but like the Chinese say with adversity there is always opportunity - or something like that!

Originally Posted by kmind

. I actually play more tables than most would think

For somebody who plays an overly nitty game and is looking to get through a bad patch this is really something worth thinking about...

I have been through something very similar and playing less tables has helped me enormously. At 6max I would think this is even more of an issue...

Thank you guys! I'm going to only play 4 tables max for awhile.

Down 6 buyins for the day at 25NL. KK < AA 100bb deep, TT < KT vs. shorty, some AK missing flops in 3bet pots. Obviously it has to be more than just coolers though. Not really sure what my future holds.

I'll be visiting my girlfriend until Sunday with no poker playing access and barely any FTR access. My roll is at 2750, if it gets to 2600 I am definitely contemplating withdrawing $2k at least. It is honestly beyond me how to fix this or what is going on. If anyone would be kind enough to sweat with me when I return I'd be so grateful. Thank you all for being so generous as it is.

Originally Posted by kmind

My roll is at 2750, if it gets to 2600 I am definitely contemplating withdrawing $2k at least. It is honestly beyond me how to fix this or what is going on. If anyone would be kind enough to sweat with me when I return I'd be so grateful. Thank you all for being so generous as it is.

Dude, I thought we talked about this. It's been fucking 3 hours since you agreed.

Just because I like you I am going to forgo my rule for not posting anything about my game in these forums anymore.



In case you missed it that's a 25BI downswing at $100NL

Things turn around for people that have drive. I don't think it's the turned completely for me and I am not out of a hole yet but, I have some game back enough to beat the stakes I play, so your not going to quit till you do it too.

Listen, go back and read the first page of this OP thread, seriously. Your 21 pages in and talking about teh same shit. It's no joke. You aren't doing what you say your going to do. As for 4 tabling, WTF, how are you playing so horrible and not 4 tabling. You play like no hands and require a winrate to survive so why are you trying to be a grinder. Play 6m, play 4 tables, start looking for places to exploit, not just fish and get your head in the game. End this OP. It's past its due date. Time to change the rules. Time for a change in you. Let's go,go, go.

Lastly, record a vid, with talking and do it now. Before you leave so we can work this out. Something is wrong. And it's not as simple as some Nitty ass stats. Take the fucking $700 you need this month out and let's get to work.

Nice to see you posting hands, but I really think you should be including the ranges you gave them at the time as well as reads. This way people can give feedback on your ranges, not just your lines.

wow man, it seems like you've just been downswinging/running bad forever, will def sweat when you get back if you're willing.

Down another 3 buyins today in 1300 hands at 25NL. Worked a lot on my cbetting game and got it to 69%. Played a 23/20 style with a 6.6% I was a loser in showdown as well as non-showdown hands. I'll post my biggest losers here but without stats, I am just so worn out mentally from poker. 1300 hands all 4 tabling like 15 minutes of 6 tabling and the rest of the day/yesterday working on my game from either sweats or reading articles.


He was just insta insta betting each street:
Full Tilt Poker Game #15435892556: Table Silver (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:05:32 ET - 2009/10/19
Seat 1: VolleyShoot ($25.35)
Seat 2: BE from P ($25.47)
Seat 3: SuitsUs ($30.75)
Seat 4: Shizzlemablizzl ($24.40)
Seat 5: TattooAnnie ($28.99)
Seat 6: DeivisJ ($42.83)
Shizzlemablizzl posts the small blind of $0.10
TattooAnnie posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Jh 9c]
DeivisJ folds
VolleyShoot folds
BE from P folds
SuitsUs raises to $0.75
Shizzlemablizzl folds
TattooAnnie calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [3d Jd 2c]
TattooAnnie checks
SuitsUs bets $1.25
TattooAnnie raises to $5.35
SuitsUs calls $4.10
*** TURN *** [3d Jd 2c] [6h]
TattooAnnie bets $22.89, and is all in
SuitsUs calls $22.89
TattooAnnie shows [Qs Js]
SuitsUs shows [Jh 9c]
*** RIVER *** [3d Jd 2c 6h] [Th]
TattooAnnie shows a pair of Jacks
SuitsUs shows a pair of Jacks
TattooAnnie wins the pot ($55.18) with a pair of Jacks
SuitsUs adds $23.24
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $58.08 | Rake $2.90
Board: [3d Jd 2c 6h Th]
Seat 1: VolleyShoot didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: BE from P didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: SuitsUs (button) showed [Jh 9c] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: Shizzlemablizzl (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: TattooAnnie (big blind) showed [Qs Js] and won ($55.18) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 6: DeivisJ didn't bet (folded)


Villains were reggy:
Full Tilt Poker Game #15435567796: Table Old Grove (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:37:43 ET - 2009/10/19
Seat 1: serpent-mark ($6.36)
Seat 2: toto2466 ($21.15)
Seat 3: HandiCAPEable ($26.74)
Seat 4: NuTs4cHEsS ($35.57)
Seat 5: TheSaint1800 ($28.67)
Seat 6: SuitsUs ($25)
TheSaint1800 posts the small blind of $0.10
SuitsUs posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Qh 3d]
serpent-mark has 15 seconds left to act
serpent-mark folds
toto2466 folds
HandiCAPEable raises to $0.75
NuTs4cHEsS calls $0.75
TheSaint1800 folds
SuitsUs raises to $3.75
HandiCAPEable has 15 seconds left to act
HandiCAPEable calls $3
NuTs4cHEsS folds
*** FLOP *** [As 4c Td]
SuitsUs bets $5
HandiCAPEable calls $5
*** TURN *** [As 4c Td] [7d]
SuitsUs checks
HandiCAPEable has 15 seconds left to act
HandiCAPEable bets $8
SuitsUs folds
SuitsUs adds $8.75
Uncalled bet of $8 returned to HandiCAPEable
HandiCAPEable mucks
HandiCAPEable wins the pot ($17.44)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $18.35 | Rake $0.91
Board: [As 4c Td 7d]
Seat 1: serpent-mark didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: toto2466 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: HandiCAPEable collected ($17.44), mucked
Seat 4: NuTs4cHEsS (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: TheSaint1800 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: SuitsUs (big blind) folded on the Turn


Har Har:
Full Tilt Poker Game #15450423397: Table Float (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:28:25 ET - 2009/10/19
Seat 1: rshofbldtothehd ($26.12)
Seat 2: DerPinsel ($25)
Seat 3: Unkle Woody ($8)
Seat 4: SuitsUs ($25.96)
Seat 5: DonZacko ($26.29)
Seat 6: kgreen06 ($25.27)
SuitsUs posts the small blind of $0.10
DonZacko posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Js Jh]
kgreen06 folds
rshofbldtothehd raises to $1
DerPinsel folds
Unkle Woody calls $1
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs has requested TIME
SuitsUs raises to $4
DonZacko folds
rshofbldtothehd folds
Unkle Woody raises to $7
SuitsUs raises to $10
Unkle Woody calls $1, and is all in
SuitsUs shows [Js Jh]
Unkle Woody shows [Qc 2c]
Uncalled bet of $2 returned to SuitsUs
*** FLOP *** [4c 7s Qs]
*** TURN *** [4c 7s Qs] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [4c 7s Qs 6d] [7c]
SuitsUs shows two pair, Jacks and Sevens
Unkle Woody shows two pair, Queens and Sevens
Unkle Woody wins the pot ($16.39) with two pair, Queens and Sevens
SuitsUs adds $7.04
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $17.25 | Rake $0.86
Board: [4c 7s Qs 6d 7c]
Seat 1: rshofbldtothehd folded before the Flop
Seat 2: DerPinsel didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Unkle Woody (button) showed [Qc 2c] and won ($16.39) with two pair, Queens and Sevens
Seat 4: SuitsUs (small blind) showed [Js Jh] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sevens
Seat 5: DonZacko (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: kgreen06 didn't bet (folded)


Villain was so bad:
Full Tilt Poker Game #15445479035: Table Effort (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:30:57 ET - 2009/10/19
Seat 1: Gedazas ($29.91)
Seat 2: SuitsUs ($26.68)
Seat 3: LuisLecas ($7.98)
Seat 4: gr8tilt ($25)
Seat 5: VIVE_LA_FETE ($41.66)
Seat 6: xXamnesicXx ($9.44)
LuisLecas posts the small blind of $0.10
gr8tilt posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Td Jd]
VIVE_LA_FETE folds
xXamnesicXx folds
Gedazas folds
SuitsUs raises to $0.75
LuisLecas calls $0.65
gr8tilt folds
gr8tilt adds $0.25
*** FLOP *** [4h 6h 4c]
LuisLecas checks
SuitsUs bets $1.25
LuisLecas calls $1.25
*** TURN *** [4h 6h 4c] [Js]
LuisLecas checks
SuitsUs bets $3
LuisLecas raises to $5.98, and is all in
SuitsUs calls $2.98
LuisLecas shows [4d 8d]
SuitsUs shows [Td Jd]
*** RIVER *** [4h 6h 4c Js] [3h]
LuisLecas shows three of a kind, Fours
SuitsUs shows two pair, Jacks and Fours
LuisLecas wins the pot ($15.40) with three of a kind, Fours
SuitsUs adds $6.30
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16.21 | Rake $0.81
Board: [4h 6h 4c Js 3h]
Seat 1: Gedazas didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: SuitsUs (button) showed [Td Jd] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Fours
Seat 3: LuisLecas (small blind) showed [4d 8d] and won ($15.40) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 4: gr8tilt (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: VIVE_LA_FETE didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: xXamnesicXx didn't bet (folded)


Blah:
Full Tilt Poker Game #15436092438: Table Silver (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:23:38 ET - 2009/10/19
Seat 1: VolleyShoot ($27.80)
Seat 2: BE from P ($26.77)
Seat 3: SuitsUs ($42.30)
Seat 4: Shizzlemablizzl ($40.64), is sitting out
Seat 5: TattooAnnie ($23.59)
Seat 6: DeivisJ ($35.49)
BE from P posts the small blind of $0.10
SuitsUs posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [7s 7h]
TattooAnnie folds
DeivisJ calls $0.25
VolleyShoot has 15 seconds left to act
VolleyShoot folds
BE from P raises to $1
SuitsUs calls $0.75
DeivisJ folds
*** FLOP *** [Tc 5d 7c]
BE from P bets $1.50
SuitsUs calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [Tc 5d 7c] [9s]
BE from P checks
SuitsUs bets $4
BE from P has 15 seconds left to act
BE from P calls $4
*** RIVER *** [Tc 5d 7c 9s] [6c]
BE from P checks
SuitsUs checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SuitsUs shows [7s 7h] three of a kind, Sevens
BE from P shows [8d 8h] a straight, Ten high
BE from P wins the pot ($12.59) with a straight, Ten high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $13.25 | Rake $0.66
Board: [Tc 5d 7c 9s 6c]
Seat 1: VolleyShoot (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: BE from P (small blind) showed [8d 8h] and won ($12.59) with a straight, Ten high
Seat 3: SuitsUs (big blind) showed [7s 7h] and lost with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 4: Shizzlemablizzl is sitting out
Seat 5: TattooAnnie didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: DeivisJ folded before the Flop


Horrible:
Full Tilt Poker Game #15447478527: Table Dew Drop (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:04:14 ET - 2009/10/19
Seat 1: Flash_Gordon10 ($7.62)
Seat 2: SuitsUs ($26.02)
Seat 3: TJayyy ($31.33)
Seat 5: WUGAGAGA ($22.09)
Seat 6: RhymesWithBuck ($25.95)
WUGAGAGA posts the small blind of $0.10
RhymesWithBuck posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [9h Td]
Flash_Gordon10 folds
SuitsUs raises to $0.75
TJayyy calls $0.75
WUGAGAGA folds
RhymesWithBuck folds
*** FLOP *** [3d 6s 5s]
SuitsUs bets $1.50
TJayyy calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [3d 6s 5s] [Qs]
SuitsUs bets $3.50
TJayyy calls $3.50
*** RIVER *** [3d 6s 5s Qs] [Ac]
SuitsUs checks
TJayyy bets $4
SuitsUs folds
SuitsUs adds $4.73
Uncalled bet of $4 returned to TJayyy
TJayyy mucks
TJayyy wins the pot ($11.26)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $11.85 | Rake $0.59
Board: [3d 6s 5s Qs Ac]
Seat 1: Flash_Gordon10 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: SuitsUs folded on the River
Seat 3: TJayyy (button) collected ($11.26), mucked
Seat 5: WUGAGAGA (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: RhymesWithBuck (big blind) folded before the Flop


Sweet:
Full Tilt Poker Game #15447311989: Table Dew Drop (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:55:36 ET - 2009/10/19
Seat 1: SmirnovEV ($36.64)
Seat 2: SuitsUs ($25.71)
Seat 3: TJayyy ($31.91)
Seat 4: Sculler59 ($35.42)
Seat 5: WUGAGAGA ($18.77)
Seat 6: RhymesWithBuck ($25.76)
SmirnovEV posts the small blind of $0.10
SuitsUs posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [2c Kh]
TJayyy folds
Sculler59 folds
WUGAGAGA calls $0.25
RhymesWithBuck folds
SmirnovEV folds
SuitsUs checks
*** FLOP *** [Ks 9s 2h]
SuitsUs bets $0.50
WUGAGAGA calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [Ks 9s 2h] [5s]
SuitsUs bets $1.25
WUGAGAGA raises to $2.50
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs calls $1.25
*** RIVER *** [Ks 9s 2h 5s] [Qs]
SuitsUs checks
WUGAGAGA bets $5
SuitsUs folds
SuitsUs adds $2.54
Uncalled bet of $5 returned to WUGAGAGA
WUGAGAGA mucks
WUGAGAGA wins the pot ($6.27)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.60 | Rake $0.33
Board: [Ks 9s 2h 5s Qs]
Seat 1: SmirnovEV (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: SuitsUs (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 3: TJayyy didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Sculler59 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: WUGAGAGA collected ($6.27), mucked
Seat 6: RhymesWithBuck (button) didn't bet (folded)


Kind of confused on flop play...c/c?
Full Tilt Poker Game #15446047258: Table Noontide (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:57:20 ET - 2009/10/19
Seat 1: Laughing Bones ($39.04)
Seat 2: vivir el sueno ($25)
Seat 3: uuupppsssshipit ($22.10)
Seat 4: IrwinFFletcher ($33.23)
Seat 5: SuitsUs ($25)
Seat 6: olliejam TDC ($25.90)
uuupppsssshipit posts the small blind of $0.10
IrwinFFletcher posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Qd Qh]
SuitsUs raises to $0.85
olliejam TDC calls $0.85
Laughing Bones calls $0.85
uuupppsssshipit folds
IrwinFFletcher calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [Jc Js 9c]
IrwinFFletcher checks
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs bets $2.25
olliejam TDC folds
Laughing Bones has 15 seconds left to act
Laughing Bones calls $2.25
IrwinFFletcher has 15 seconds left to act
IrwinFFletcher raises to $9.75
SuitsUs folds
SuitsUs adds $3.10
Laughing Bones has 15 seconds left to act
Laughing Bones folds
Uncalled bet of $7.50 returned to IrwinFFletcher
IrwinFFletcher mucks
IrwinFFletcher wins the pot ($9.74)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.25 | Rake $0.51
Board: [Jc Js 9c]
Seat 1: Laughing Bones (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: vivir el sueno is sitting out
Seat 3: uuupppsssshipit (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: IrwinFFletcher (big blind) collected ($9.74), mucked
Seat 5: SuitsUs folded on the Flop
Seat 6: olliejam TDC folded on the Flop


Without being results oriented I felt like I should raise flop or bomb turn/river
Full Tilt Poker Game #15450247727: Table Dobson (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:19:23 ET - 2009/10/19
Seat 1: dominos1666 ($11.82)
Seat 2: skrummen ($36.20)
Seat 3: treepro1 ($7.34)
Seat 4: rshofbldtothehd ($21.40)
Seat 5: dieback ($29.62)
Seat 6: SuitsUs ($25.55)
dominos1666 posts the small blind of $0.10
skrummen posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [5s 6s]
treepro1 calls $0.25
rshofbldtothehd folds
dieback has 15 seconds left to act
dieback raises to $1.10
SuitsUs calls $1.10
dominos1666 has 15 seconds left to act
dominos1666 folds
skrummen folds
treepro1 calls $0.85
*** FLOP *** [Ks 9s Qc]
treepro1 checks
dieback bets $2
SuitsUs calls $2
treepro1 folds
*** TURN *** [Ks 9s Qc] [3d]
dieback has 15 seconds left to act
dieback checks
SuitsUs checks
*** RIVER *** [Ks 9s Qc 3d] [6h]
dieback checks
SuitsUs checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dieback shows [Jh Qs] a pair of Queens
SuitsUs mucks
dieback wins the pot ($7.27) with a pair of Queens
SuitsUs adds $2.55
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.65 | Rake $0.38
Board: [Ks 9s Qc 3d 6h]
Seat 1: dominos1666 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: skrummen (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: treepro1 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: rshofbldtothehd didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: dieback showed [Jh Qs] and won ($7.27) with a pair of Queens
Seat 6: SuitsUs (button) mucked [5s 6s] - a pair of Sixes

useful link here
http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

It looks like you're only posting the hands where you feel you got unlucky. Even though you earlier agreed this was a waste of space vs posting the big hands (winning and/or losing - but without results!) with analysis.

Do you want sympathy, or do you want to fix your game?

hand 1 J9 fold to the flop cr, definitely fold to the turn shove

hand 2 Q3 you don't have to auto-iso with shit. fold pre.

hand 3 JJ dunno

hand 4 JT fine

hand 5 77 why the call pre-flop? Why not just raise flop? you're losing action with any club, losing action from JJ-KK if an A comes, etc.

hand 6 9To co steal depends a lot on bu and blind tendencies doesn't it? awful board to cbet on.

hand 7 K2 check flop.

hand 8 QQ read the WA/WB discussion posts from a year or so back. Also, reconsider the reasons for betting (worse calls/better folds/protection) in the context of this hand

hand 9 56s you should consider folding or 3-betting pre without reads. Post flop is fine, so is raising flop. Bombing turn would not be good.

J9 hand - meh, folding flop sometimes is even ok vs certain villains. Fold turn though, ppl are on the level where they know the draw missed here.

Q3 hands - no need to squeeze SUCH a trashy hand. Can wait for a non-callable hand that plays a bit better (J8hh or something like that).
As played, I think his flop calling range is moderately weak (insiders, Tx) that a double barrel could be alright here.

77 hand - raise flop or raise turn obviously. Def raise this turn if not flop, he will have lots of pairs+insiders and stuff.

5s6s hand - I like raising this flop, its a flop where a raise can rep a ton of different strong hands (KQ, JT, 999), so its a very credible raise. He will also have a lot of hands that will call one barrel but fold to turns, AK, QJ, 9T, KJ etc etc.

Daven - I was just posting my biggest losers. I don't want sympathy, it's literally my biggest losers. Also:

77 - what would you do with 77 here pre? I can't see any other option but to call

K2 - we don't get value with basically the nuts?

griff - 5s6s: yeah I guess I saw shorty and was like meh let's not get it in with him but that's pretty gay because he barely has a hand. I then meant to bet turn/bet river as played because of the one barrel argument. But raising flop/betting turn has more merit.

Thank you guys.

Come one man, take the time to post reads and ranges and get something out of it.

Originally Posted by kmind

Daven - I was just posting my biggest losers. I don't want sympathy, it's literally my biggest losers.

cool, sorry about the sympathy comment then. It just felt that way with the hands posted unconverted and with no reads or analysis. But then i remember that i read through my entire op history yesterday and most of the hands i posted were coolers or beats, and it was cathartic to post them - i wasn't searching for sympathy either. Understood!

A comment though. Given that players consider the lines in half the posted hands to be sub-optimal (and probably pay more attention to griffey than me here, cos he is undoubtedly a better 6-max player than I), then don't you think that the same may apply in your biggest winning hands? If you manage to miss a few bb in a value hand every, say, few hundred hands, then this will dramatically affect your win-rate. Posting without reads, even vpip/pfr is a good enough read, makes it harder to comment effectively on the hands as well.

Originally Posted by kmind

77 - what would you do with 77 here pre? I can't see any other option but to call

asking why the pre-flop call was actually a genuine question. I figured that answering it in detail would be useful for you cos writing stuff like this down always is (like my sb pre-flop post in my op - even if it's not so valuable to anyone else. It made me think about things that I didn't write about, but writing it has definitely made me better at poker) - plus it will be faster for you cos you have already thought about this standard spot in 6-max games. Thus saving me the time of working it out for myself - cos i'm lazy sometimes but i should do it anyway, will do. It's #10 on my study list for now, i'll get to it in singapore i guess.

Anyway, my gut response to this spot is to call or 3-bet. Which i choose is entirely dependent on sb and deivisJ, hard to say whether calling or raising is best with zero reads.
Definitely raise the flop regardless though.

Originally Posted by kmind

K2 - we don't get value with basically the nuts?

K2 is the nuts here. I don't think that donking the flop is the best value line. Again a little villain dependent, but you know that bluffing here with air is incredibly effective, right? cos villains never have a hand. i prefer to balance my air with draws more than monsters cos our fold equity is so high.

Originally Posted by kmind

griff - 5s6s: yeah I guess I saw shorty and was like meh let's not get it in with him but that's pretty gay because he barely has a hand. I then meant to bet turn/bet river as played because of the one barrel argument. But raising flop/betting turn has more merit..

the more i think about the 5s6s hand, the more it becomes clear that you just gotta raise the flop. If you aren't raising this flop then you should be folding pre. Calling the flop bet is spew cos villain's range is so weak that you don't even have implied odds to call the flush draw. Raise or fold flop, and don't fold = raise!!!
I also don't like betting the turn cos you don't have a strong hand cos you never flat his cbet on this flop texture if you have a strong hand.

Originally Posted by daven

hand 5 77 why the call pre-flop? Why not just raise flop? you're losing action with any club, losing action from JJ-KK if an A comes, etc.

Why 3bet pre? What's your response to a 4bet?

I don't hate 3betting pre, but I would mostly only 3bet if I knew that:
a) they called very light OOP and played predictably postflop or
b) they 4bet/folded often and I could profitably jam over their 4bet

this depends a lot on dynamic though. If villain fires a cbet and then shuts down often then I don't mind just call 77 pre.

As played, also raise flop cause its BvB and geez.. nobody believes raises BvB!

K2 hand I not only lead out, but I lead out for pot. He has something or he doesn't, go for the value. Only thing I dont like is the minbet lead (and its not a donk, noone raised).

77 is on the line a bit for 3b or call preflop. I probably call, but bet your ass the flop is getting raised. I cant think of a single good reason not to. Theres draws, its connected, people dont believe you. So many good reasons to c/r.

Ben -
K2 hand: It's 25NL ...I did lead out full pot

Thanks man.

I'm studying a bunch tonight (poker wise) with no playing. Have a test Thursday so studying most of the day tomorrow too and may not play. It feels great not playing.