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  1. #1

    Default Operation dont get greedy Bovada

    Title refers to me running up $2k from $50 very quickly (1-1.5 months). twice..lol both times I busted my roll at 10/20 plo. back then 10/20 didn't run that often maybe once a week, so to see a table open there must be fish, lol then greed sweeps in and my $2600 BR hits the felt. pretty sick hand the first time, I will never forget had $3450 HU vs $4600 and get dealt AcAdKcJd in BB. villain pots I 3bet, he flats and the board came As Qc Tc, I lead 2/3 pot, he raise pot we GII and im about to have a serious BR!!! then...dun dun duhhhhh.. Q on river, he had KsQsQdJc. I typed nh in chatbox and didn't play for about a month. since then ive been depositing about $25 every two weeks and trying to run it up again with mild success. ive done it once again to +2k but 3/6 got me that time. basically no BRM, no real plan just GAMB0000L , lol which is a vicious cycle. I haven't cashed out in over a year and decided last week that it has to stop. not for the money, for my self esteem and well for the money. lol I was a winning player on stars, then transferred to FT I played as high as $50 NLH FR and was winning 10 tabling. I sucked at 6max..lol terribly but since bovada basically runs 6max only ( notreally but its hard to find a FR game) ive learned a lot in the past couple years. my game has improved tremendously and will update tonight more and minimum once a week.
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  2. #2
    Nov. 21 deposit $25 with intention of reloading twice if necessary.
    I keep track of daily games,hands etc but only keep my weekly totals recorded. mostly due to the fact that sometimes you just have a bad day and even though I might be down 2 or 3 days my weekly stats wont be that bad. good for self, bad for GAMB00L.
    plan was play $1 sngs, superturbos,turbos,and HU until I have enough BI to play $5 NLH. (20 BI)
    heres my first week stats: ( I record stats every sunday)

    Nov. 23rd-
    1.10 supers
    45 games played
    4-1st place, 7-2nd place, 3- 3rd place, 14-4th place (WTF, need to brush up on my ICM)
    $49.50 invested, $42.30 returned (-$7.20)

    1.10 HU turbos
    8 games played
    6 won , 2 lost
    $8.80 invested, $12 returned (+$3.30)

    (read an article on bovada zone, basically readless poker..hmmm...nit the eff up and Vbet all day lets try it)

    $5 zone
    6.38 hours, 2,180 hands, 16.64BBs/100 (big blinds not big bets) (+$18.14)

    BR= $39.14
    "The harder you work, the luckier you get." ~ courtesy of my fortune cookie from china king

    "One of the best pieces of advice I've ever read in this forum was three words long...

    bet fucking fold." Ong
  3. #3
    Nov 30

    $5 zone

    13.25 hrs, 5844 hands, 13.84BBs/100 (+$40.45)

    (now my BR is high enough I think I can play a table or 2 of $5 PLO)

    $5 PLO 6max

    9.55 hours, 1170 hands, -43.47BBs/100 (omg keep up the good play its only variance) (-$25.43)

    $2.20 4 man HU

    5 games, 3-1st, 2-2nd
    $11 invested, $24 returned (+$13.00)

    1.10 HU turbo
    1 game , loss (-$1.10)

    5.25 PLO HU SNG
    1 game, win (+4.75) this was a weird one, guy beat me in the 1.10 and asked me to play PLO HU..lol of course)

    $11 10k GTD ( I was ) (-$11.00)

    BR=$59.81
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  4. #4
    now the reason why theres such a variety of games, I only have a specific amount of time on certain days.
    if I login and the zone poker is running 25% to the flop with avg pot of 12-15BBs, its not really profitable for me to play.
    or SNGs, the problem I ran into with the superturbos is theyre not running everyday all day so I might login and see nothing going.
    basically I game select based on what day it is, what time etc. for sngs I don't table select if theyre running I play. simple.
    PLO is different, I don't start tables, I wait for seats to open, the avg pot has to be 25BBs+ and my seat MUST have 200+ BBs between the two seats to my immediate right. example. seat opens and table meets requirements BUT theres only 150 BBs to my right and a 250BB stack on my immediate left. I wont sit. reason being is I didn't see how he got the stack,if hes a fish who got lucky, a strong opp who stacked a fish, a maniac, etc. once a table meets req. then I will sit and not leave until I feel I cant extract any more money from table. or obligations besides poker. if I sit, and the player to my immediate left all of a sudden gets a 300BB pot im not going to leave because I got to watch the hand. I know how he got it and can adjust my play accordingly. make sense? alright im out for now family time.

    *edit*

    remember bovada has no usernames, notes, or stats. so no bumhunting unfortunately.
    "The harder you work, the luckier you get." ~ courtesy of my fortune cookie from china king

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    i might be reading it wrong, but it looks like you're playing some pretty high games ($11 tourney) on a very shallow roll.
    also, plo is pretty swingy and 10buyins is a pretty light roll for anyone in any game so...

    then again, if it's a fun project with a run-it-up-fast-or-bust-lol view on it then all power to ya - $25 isn't life-changing so enjoy the ride.
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    i might be reading it wrong, but it looks like you're playing some pretty high games ($11 tourney) on a very shallow roll.
    also, plo is pretty swingy and 10buyins is a pretty light roll for anyone in any game so...

    then again, if it's a fun project with a run-it-up-fast-or-bust-lol view on it then all power to ya - $25 isn't life-changing so enjoy the ride.
    yeah, the $11 tourney was a mistake, I was drunk and thought it was a good idea. happens. its not a regular thing I don't play many MTTs, I have a good enough understanding to play them but BR needs to be bigger.

    the $5 plo games on bovada are crazy soft. As long as you don't autopilot and/or tilt, you should be fine. I mean even though the notes don't stick once you leave the table, I still take them. for EVERY showdown. PLO at lower limits has less variance than NLH IMO, maybe its my style of play or how I mostly attack the two players to my right. who knows. lol I have BRM rules and a ladder but for cash I can always play a game I have 10BIs for until im at the next level. Example: with $50 I can play $5 PLO but $100 doesn't mean I can play $10 PLO. I have to have min. $250 for $10 PLO and that's only a 5 BI shot. I think I should post my BR ladder. I will post later tonight when I do my weekly BR update.
    "The harder you work, the luckier you get." ~ courtesy of my fortune cookie from china king

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    bet fucking fold." Ong
  7. #7
    this weeks update 12-7-2014

    Cash Games:

    $5 Zone 6-max

    2.58 hrs , 1107 hands , 37BBs/100 (+$20.57)

    $10 Zone 6-max

    1.28hrs , 541 hands , 29BBs/100 (+$16.08)

    $5 PLO 6-max
    7.45hrs , 1224 hands , 49BBs/100 (+$30.58)

    $5 NLH 6-max (non-zone, single table)

    1.68 hrs , 149 hands , -23BBs/100 (-$1.75)


    SNGs

    $1.10 Superturbos (9-man)

    23 games played, 6 - 1st , 3 - 2nd , 1 - 3rd , and 6 bubbles.
    $25.30 invested , $36.90 returned (+$11.60)


    $3.30 Tripleups
    4 games played , 2 - 1st , 1 bubble
    $14.20 invested, $18.00 returned (+$3.80)


    $5.25 HU Turbo

    8 games , 4 wins
    $42 invested , $40 returned (-$2.00)
    (im not one to make excuses but 3 of these games i was 80%+ OTF allin, so sick and they were back to back losses vs diff. op)


    $5.25 DON 6-max

    34 games , 18 wins , 6 bubbles
    $178.50 invested , $180 returned (+$1.50)
    wow, im going to start a discussion about these, they play sooooo different than any other SNG ive played. simply put for now, if you take off my first 7 games, im up $38.25 for the 27 games after. when i played my first set it was really tough, i played like a normal SNG but that doesnt work at all. lol took me 7 games to figure out but i devised a new strategy that is working well right now, im not going to say what or how until i have a larger sample but the way villians play in these is opposite of what you would think. sooo easy once you know.


    BR=$140.19

    i missed a session somewhere because my actual BR onsite is $163.87. i have no bonuses or anything so idk. theres too many table transactions for me to track it down with it taking hours. so ill just add it in next week as a "bonus" carryover i guess. lol
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  8. #8
    Looks like you're off to a good start, good luck!
  9. #9
    keep going forward, looking like you are on the right track your last update. Do not let greed undo all your work.
    Maybe withdraw $50,( I believe Bovada has minimum $20 withdraw) so you have already bankrolled your next two $25 deposits. Then you will be playing with a bankroll of $113 instead of $163. So you may play more safely.
    Last edited by eberetta1; 12-08-2014 at 05:23 PM.
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  10. #10
    @MTCashman

    Ty sir.

    @beretta1

    excellent idea, I think im going to wait a little longer. I want to stay at the $5 sngs so ill probably cashout $100 @ $300, that way I get some money out and reward myself for not monkey tilting my roll at 2 PLO tables. ty for the idea
    "The harder you work, the luckier you get." ~ courtesy of my fortune cookie from china king

    "One of the best pieces of advice I've ever read in this forum was three words long...

    bet fucking fold." Ong
  11. #11
    almost to one of my first milestones. 10k hands at 6-max $5NL. Just closed out my session with 9,946 hands. so close, I want to keep playing but I have to work so screw it. ill play it out tomorrow, get a decent idea of my winrate and my overall strategy at the moment. I don't think I mentioned before that I record all my sessions, no mic but I have everything recorded I want to do a edit and makes some videos but takes away from my table time..too focused for that right now but soon though.
    "The harder you work, the luckier you get." ~ courtesy of my fortune cookie from china king

    "One of the best pieces of advice I've ever read in this forum was three words long...

    bet fucking fold." Ong
  12. #12
    12/14/14

    $5 Zone

    2805 hands, -12.44bbs/100 (-$17.46)

    $10 Zone

    1871 hands, 27.94bbs/100 (+52.28)

    $5 PLO 6max

    80 hands, -56.5bbs/100 (-2.26)

    $10 PLO 6max

    211 hands, -0.8bbs/100 (-1.68)

    $10 NLH 6max

    319 hands, -21.09bbs/100 (-6.73)

    1.10 superturbos 9man

    1 game - loss (-1.10)

    3.30 turbo 9man

    1 game, 3rd place (+1.90)

    5.25 DON 6max

    11 games, 6 wins, 2 bubbles (+2.25)

    $5.25 HU turbo

    8 games, 4 wins (-2.00)

    2.20 1k GTD MTT (had 100 BIs at time of registration)

    loss. (-2.20)

    BR=$165.39


    had a super tilty week..i actually took thurs-Saturday off because I could feel the greed coming on. lol $5 zone was soooo frustrating this week, I was up 8 BIs on Tuesday and down 3 on Wednesday. that's and 11 BI downswing, so vicious. AK 16 times all in I lost to 22,33,44,66,A6,A9,JJ,87s all kinds of shit. not once did a villain have AA or KK, they had AA when I had KK though, and KK when I had QQ. lol FML. Anyone have any articles on tilt control during a session? lol
    "The harder you work, the luckier you get." ~ courtesy of my fortune cookie from china king

    "One of the best pieces of advice I've ever read in this forum was three words long...

    bet fucking fold." Ong
  13. #13
    Milestone #1 10k hands @ $5 Zone

    Hands : 11,936

    $$ won: : +$61.71

    Winrate : 10.34BBs/100

    after a rough week, and talking to mojo and daven on ranges, I decided to read a few of spoons articles on 3betting for value. wow did that help a lot, forced myself to make ranges for 3bet value, 3bet bluff and calling. which I balanced out as well so I don't have too many combos of one or the other. really helped. one article I didn't understand one bit is the [0,1] article. wtf is spoon talking about? lol I guess I don't get it. maybe someone can chime in and give a little insight.
    "The harder you work, the luckier you get." ~ courtesy of my fortune cookie from china king

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  14. #14
    Also for the next 3 weeks bovada is running a deal where if you average 30+pts per day for 5 days they give you $25 for free without restrictions as far as normal bonus. If you average that for 7 days they give you $40. So this will be my focus, by my calculations thats 2.2 hours per day at $5 zone. Which is what i will be focusing on. Free monies..lol wish me luck
  15. #15
    Since i cant find the edit button on my mobile, my calculations were wrong, its 5 hours a night 2 tabling $5 zone. Since my BR is high enough to allow some $10 zone play, im going to play 4 tables. (2@$5 and 2@$10 zone) which will allow me to make my daily points in about 90 mins of play. (About 1500 hands) so far so good, made it everyday so far. A 4 buyin bonus will be supersweet and get me one step closer to $25 zone which i will need 30 buyins before i start taking shots. Based on my current avg winrate of 10BBs/100 at $5 and 9.6 BBs/100 @ $10 plus the $160 ill get for a bonus.( another mistake its 4 weeks not 3) then by mid january i should be taking shots at $25 zone. Wish me rungood!
  16. #16
    So sick, after i wrote that last message i watched a movie with my son and fell asleep. Which was good times until i awoke to find i had 55 mins to make 30points for the bonus. I knew it couldnt be done at the stakes im playing in the time frame so i immediately opened 4 tables of $50 PLO. Which left me $46 in my BR, about 45 mins into the session i realized the pots werent going to get me there, i was pretty much even on 3, and one i had doubled up on. I closed the 3 and sat 1/2 PLO with my entire BR. Wtf was i doing? Its like the logical part of my brain was shutdown or something i was so focused on the bonus that i didnt even acknowledge the fact that i was risking 4 weeks of hard work and grinding the correct way for an extra $15!!!!. I already made the cut for $25 friday night. Back to the epic fail, its 11:58 i need 5 pts and UTG on the 1/2 opens $9 and the entire table calls. Im in BB with ..now my instant reaction is to pot, which i did with no thought whatsoever just mash buttons. It was enough to put UTG opener all in which he called, BTN called and SB called. Flop comes sb shoves, i call, btn folds. I lost to JJ97r on turn and river. The hand doesnt really matter but i misplayed the hand and dumped my BR. Wtfbhappened? I didnt have a downswing or cold deck tilty spots before that, nothing but that stupid promotion. Which btw i missed by literally 02seconds. For some reason that hand took like 15 seconds to showdown after the board was out and the points got put in my account at 0:00:00:02 . Dumped my roll and missed my $40. A saaaaad day. I deposited sunday and managed to tilt off 5 BIs @ $5 zone reallll quick. I deposited again and something clicked, its my last buyin so now it matters. Now my brain has all of a sudden turned on and i dont play. I bought the book "mental game" by jared something. Excellent book.. and i learned that you can tilt from folding too much. I was like whatt.. and that was the sentence that made it all click, (i think) i play a strategy and when i get into spots where i know i should fold a strong hand : when i play correctly i build up "folding" emotions that accumulate over time. When i play incorrectly and i tend to call when i shouldnt. The result of those emotions that have built up. "Folding tilt". Im not exactly sure thats the exact reason but as i get deeper into the book and start working on my mental game i think i will be able to deal with this phenomena much easier. I call it that because thats what it feels like to me i guess. The upside is i played a short session after, and played extremely well. Not run well, but just played correctly is more spots that were causing me troubles. I recieved my bonus today of $25 so my current BR is $58. I will update my stats,br ladder, and goals for my "card" game as well as my "mental" game. I could of not said anything but i felt like i need some well deserved critisicm for this. Most of my friends dont play poker, or if they do they just play for recreation and have no intention of elevating thier game. Which is even more of a reason to post it here.
  17. #17
    Mostly read the first post and Daven's.

    Bankroll management is probably one of the key poker concepts that many ppl on FTR probably take for granted (ie: they just assume ppl will implement it), but many ppl don't.

    It looks like you're prone to playing waaaaaay over your roll. 10/20 when you break the $2k mark! That is crazy talk!

    I think really being disciplined in this regard will help you a lot. It takes skill, hardwork and time to run up your roll to $2k, but it only takes a few brief moments and a lapse of judgement to lose it all. Stay focused. BR management!
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  18. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post

    It takes skill, hardwork and time to run up your roll to $2k, but it only takes a few brief moments and a lapse of judgement to lose it all. Stay focused. BR management!
    errrrrrrr...so frustrating..i am beating my game but still bust because I don't play within my BR. I think reading and implementing strategies discussed in the mental game by jared will help tremendously with that. thanks for stopping by griffey
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  19. #19
    12/21/2014

    $5 zone

    +$88.35
    3,638 hands
    48BBs/100

    $10 zone

    -$11.81
    3,272
    -3.6 BBs/100

    then on Saturday the 20th I busted my roll.

    overall stats so far.

    $5 zone

    +150.05
    15,574 hands
    19.26BBs/100


    $10 zone
    +$56.55
    5,684 hands
    9.94BBs/100


    maybe I should just write 6 pages that say "I will play within my bankroll at all times" then I might get it into my head.
    "The harder you work, the luckier you get." ~ courtesy of my fortune cookie from china king

    "One of the best pieces of advice I've ever read in this forum was three words long...

    bet fucking fold." Ong
  20. #20
    just found a HH converter for bovada, and looked up my old code for holdem manager and viola! I have girrafffeeessss..lol no but seriously though this is excellent news as I can now track my play and construct ranges muchhhhhh better. I will now be updating on Monday to allow myself time to download sundays HHs and get them imported. Suck bovada wont allow you to go back further than 7 days, I recently discovered the app and for $15, its a little steep but w/e HM1 is free and works great for what I need it to. anyway so I only have HHs from the day after my blowup, 12/21/14. which is ok because it shows how bad I was tilting on the 21st after dumping my roll and gives me a little insight into how and why I tilt. "the mental game" is a excellent book, has definitely helped a lot. also I have a notepad I keep with a couple phrases to keep me in line throughout my session.

    It takes skill, hardwork and time to run up your roll , but it only takes a few brief moments and a lapse of judgement to lose it all. Stay focused. BR management! (ty grif)

    Today i have to weather variance and try to lose the least amount.

    Preflop:
    whats our range?
    whats villians range?

    Flop:
    How does the texture affect villains range?
    strengthen or weaken?
    How does it affect our perceived range?
    will we/villain fire multiple barrels?

    Turn:
    How does previous betting change villains range?
    how did it change ours?

    River:
    value bet or bluff?
    what is our perceived range based on previous actions?
    are we underrepped?
    did villain cap his range on a earlier street?
    How much of his range can we manipulate?
    (get worse to call, better to fold, etc.)
    "The harder you work, the luckier you get." ~ courtesy of my fortune cookie from china king

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  21. #21


    this is from dec. 21-27th. dec. 21st was the day after my blowup so I was super tilted (obviously, I just busted my roll) I also decided to steal more from CO and BTN. which since I was tilting turned into "oh it folds to me? raise with ATC" ive since got this under control and my steal stats look much better and stronger. next week will show an improvement for sure. also heres my stats, and steal stats. (steal stats has a filter loaded for "Attempt to steal" which is why the CO and BTN show 100%.





    this is also $5 zone. I didn't know there was a converter so I didn't get to track my first 15k hands but they will be included in my overall.
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  22. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by acg123 View Post
    then on Saturday the 20th I busted my roll.
    shortstacking 1knl?
  23. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    shortstacking 1knl?
    nah. stupid promotion. the post with AAT8 hand tells the story. 4 tables of $50 PLO, realized the points weren't going to get there, close 3 tables open 1 $200 PLO. bust my roll, AND miss the points by 2 seconds. *lesson learned*
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  24. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by acg123 View Post
    Title refers to me running up $2k from $50 very quickly (1-1.5 months). twice..lol both times I busted my roll at 10/20 plo. back then 10/20 didn't run that often maybe once a week, so to see a table open there must be fish, lol then greed sweeps in and my $2600 BR hits the felt.
    It's very rare for someone to run up that much money and keep it because to run it up that quickly, one must effectively gamble and ignore proper bankroll management. Once a player does that, it's very unlikely IMO that he or she will suddenly start following bankroll management ESPECIALLY when the gamble pays off as it reinforces their decision and confidence and allows bigger expectations to creep in.

    Although we all dream about a big score, the truth is that good poker playing is a slow grind. The downswings should be just as slow as the upswings.
    - Jason

  25. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Jason View Post
    It's very rare for someone to run up that much money and keep it because to run it up that quickly, one must effectively gamble and ignore proper bankroll management. Once a player does that, it's very unlikely IMO that he or she will suddenly start following bankroll management ESPECIALLY when the gamble pays off as it reinforces their decision and confidence and allows bigger expectations to creep in.

    Although we all dream about a big score, the truth is that good poker playing is a slow grind. The downswings should be just as slow as the upswings.

    exactly. do it a few times and it becomes habit, then second nature. very tough to break but ive def. broken through. i had a rough patch when i first started this Op, playing a bunch of different games trying to figure out where the money is. Zone poker is where ive found the best bang for the buck at the micro level. As i climb up i can assume i will begin trying standard cash again. i don't expect the transition to be hard but who knows. ill find out when i get there.
    "The harder you work, the luckier you get." ~ courtesy of my fortune cookie from china king

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    bet fucking fold." Ong
  26. #26
    heres my steal graph from 12/21-12/27.
    i knew i was leaving money on the table not stealing so i decided to open a wider range in CO and BTN but still be quite tight.


    well fuck that didn't go well. i reviewed some hands, sorted by flop textures, some range work, etc. came up with ATC from from CO, or BTN IF, i say IF with authority because it makes all the difference. if BTN is 100BBs+ i open ATC from CO. if BTN is 80BBs or less i open a standard range. OTB i will open ATC with 150BBs+ between 2 players. Example, if SB has 40BBs and BB has 120BBs i open ATC, if SB has 60BBs and BB has 90BBs i open ATC, if SB is 40 and BB is 80BBs i will open a standard range. so far so good with this strategy. what i need to work on now is my postflop allins. im losing a lot of money there.

    heres this weeks steal graph:



    this weeks postflop allins:


    i did the filter for when i make it to the river with a spr of less than 2.8. that's where my largest loss is, 2.0 shows -22 and 3.5 shows same as 2.8. for some reason all in by the river isn't part of the "more filters" they have one for preflop, flop and turn but not river.
    Last edited by acg123; 01-05-2015 at 07:06 PM.
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  27. #27
    12/27/14 - 01/03/15
    moniess

    steals
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    bet fucking fold." Ong
  28. #28
    01/04/15 - 01/10/15
    monies


    steals
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    "One of the best pieces of advice I've ever read in this forum was three words long...

    bet fucking fold." Ong
  29. #29
    well I never thought I would say it, but variance has been fucking killing me. it seems like no matter what I do they call when I bluff and fold when I valuebet. for 2 solid weeks I know the sample is small but still, villains cant have player specific reads on me due to anon. zone. even though my steals are looking ok I have decided to cut my range back a ton as stealing requires some knowledge of opponents that I cant get in zone. my first 15k hands I played a basic uber tight range that slowly opened up to the button. I tried to make some changes after seeing my steal stats for the first time and that seemed to be where it all went down hill. I think it was a little adjusting, variance, and outright bad decisions on my part. the money in microstakes comes from our villains making mistakes with a weaker range than us. if I open up my stealing in CO and BTN then im effectively shooting myself in the foot while playing zone. the new plan is nit it up in zone and start printing that monies again. ive been playing normal tables too and that's been much better for stealing as I can gather information at showdown vs these villains and adjust properly.
    "The harder you work, the luckier you get." ~ courtesy of my fortune cookie from china king

    "One of the best pieces of advice I've ever read in this forum was three words long...

    bet fucking fold." Ong
  30. #30
    overall stats with my recent 11k hands and 11 buyin downswing.

    +$93.21

    26,613 Hands

    7 BBs/100
    "The harder you work, the luckier you get." ~ courtesy of my fortune cookie from china king

    "One of the best pieces of advice I've ever read in this forum was three words long...

    bet fucking fold." Ong
  31. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by acg123 View Post
    well I never thought I would say it, but variance has been fucking killing me. .
    I think the key question is, why did you think you would never say it?

    Variance is a killer and it comes around to anyone and everyone that puts in any decent volume. I suppose someone can be immune to variance if they play limited hands in their lifetime, and run hot over that limited sample!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  32. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    I think the key question is, why did you think you would never say it?

    Variance is a killer and it comes around to anyone and everyone that puts in any decent volume. I suppose someone can be immune to variance if they play limited hands in their lifetime, and run hot over that limited sample!
    it was the toughest 11k hands ive ever played. every bet was challenged, every bluff past a preflop steal was challenged, my tilt level was challenged too.
    example:
    bovada zone only allows 2 tables per stake, so im in for 6 BIs, and I pickup AA 300BBs deep. villain opens 4x UTG I 3bet 12.5x from BTN he 4bets to 26BBs I 5bet to 80BBs he flats. flop come A24r villain shoves I snap. he shows 35o. 30% of his stack with 35o?

    its really and "lol nh" but when im 6BIs deep and lose another 3, now im in for 10BIs (9+1rebuy after I got felted). plus on top of that I was trying to open my stealing, adjust my calling ranges because I have HHs in HEM now. just all around bad. felt like it would never end!! I don't know if it has but ive definitely improved my game since, also my AK vs AQ allin pre loses, AK vs AK loses to 4 flush board, KK run into AA 3 times, QQ into AQ,AJ,TT,99 and lost. just like F-M-L. lol
    "The harder you work, the luckier you get." ~ courtesy of my fortune cookie from china king

    "One of the best pieces of advice I've ever read in this forum was three words long...

    bet fucking fold." Ong
  33. #33
    doing my update early, definitely playing better this week, running a little better too. heres the graphs.

    monies..


    steals..



    overall Stats:

    $5 Zone Bovada 6max


    +$122.08
    30,908 hands

    WR = 7.89BBs/100
    "The harder you work, the luckier you get." ~ courtesy of my fortune cookie from china king

    "One of the best pieces of advice I've ever read in this forum was three words long...

    bet fucking fold." Ong
  34. #34
    That AA vs 35 hand is pretty brutal! Just gotta remind yourself that even 35o has equity vs AA, so he's expected to win sometimes. But in the long run you'll fleece him for a ton in that spot.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  35. #35
    well I don't have a graph yet but I moved my BR over to Americas cardroom. the zone has officially tilted me, lol ill be back to bovada due to traffic but for building my roll I think having specific reads on villains can help me climb up that much faster. ill have some graphs and HHs coming this week!

    @Griffey - I know, but as you know ive been having such a cold run and on top its kind of tilted me a little so it was just like W..T...F.. *slams mouse* laughs out loud * says NICE HAND out loud for no reason..lol
    "The harder you work, the luckier you get." ~ courtesy of my fortune cookie from china king

    "One of the best pieces of advice I've ever read in this forum was three words long...

    bet fucking fold." Ong
  36. #36
    alright I know its been awhile but just kicked myself in the ass recently. moved to ACR. bankrolled $500.
    200% bonus lured me in. plus the Beast

    mostly 9-12 tabling $25NL 6max. I started with 6 tables for first few days to get warmed up to villains and using real stats again!! its about time lol

    anyway
    heres money with AI EV
    had a pretty shitty run at the end there, about 6 BIs under EV but whatever. fish will be fish take it in stride






    Showdown winnings



    and with rakeback




    +55 tourney bucks from beast last week
    +75 in bonus money released already


    feel great, playing great and crushing. doing lots of homework on the regs, range construction blah blah you guys know the drill.

    and this is since Monday Feb. 9th. had some days off work last week so I realllly got in some good volume. next week wont be so good but hey im ahead of schedule across the board. only have 100 days to clear 1k bonus. 6 down, 94 more to go. lol
    "The harder you work, the luckier you get." ~ courtesy of my fortune cookie from china king

    "One of the best pieces of advice I've ever read in this forum was three words long...

    bet fucking fold." Ong

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