Op 6 max on 888

In an earlier op I demonstrated my total inability to understand Omaha and stopped after a post I made was shown to be nonsense and the free time that I was using to play whilst at work became unavailable.


This op comes with a set of rules which may annoy bankroll purists but which will enable me to play at a higher level quicker.

1. Begin with a nominal $10 on 888. This is 5 buy-ins at $2
2. Play at the lowest level until I have 5 buy-ins at the next level. Repeat through the levels.
3. At any level above the lowest, drop down if my nominal roll falls below 3 buy-ins.
4. If I drop down I need to gain one extra buy-in at the next level before going up again. eg if I fall below $12 at the $4 tables I must have a roll of $24 not $20 to go back up again.
5. When going back up add half a buy in to the drop back, so in the $4 table example, when I hit $24, I would only drop back once more to $2 if the roll fell below $12.

888 have more levels than other sites. They spread $2, $4, $6, $10, $20, $30, $50 tables and higher. A maximum of 6 tables only can be played at any time so they don't attract the serious multitablers grinding other sites. The level of play is below Stars up to some serious money levels. I was watching a $1,000 table the other day. Someone shoved pocket aces on the river on a co-ordinated board and then complained that their “correct” play always lost.


I began the op on 17th January and so far have been ridiculously lucky.


$2 tables, 1,860 hands, + $10.67 @ 28.68 bb/100, roll $20.67
$4 tables, 1,368 hands, + $9.62 @ 17.58 bb/100, roll $30.29
$6 tables, 2,096 hands, + $22.30 @ 17.73 bb/100, roll $52.59
$10 tables, 917 hands, + $52.98 @ 57.78 bb/100, roll $108.57
$20 tables, 572 hands, + $44.78 @ 39.14 bb/100, roll $153.35


in progress


$30 tables, 131 hands, + $44.42 @ 113.03 bb/100, roll $197.77


I have not yet had to drop back. Just one serious suckout to report. This was at the $30 tables. I raised and was called with AA. The villain 2 bet shoved QQx and I called after some careful lack of thought. He showed trips and typed “NH” when I rivered him.


There does not seem to be a great skill gap between the levels. There are plenty of loose passives at the $30 tables and I've picked off some stunningly silly bluffs at the $10 and $20 levels. The only real marker that I have picked up is the increasing number of 3 bets preflop as the levels rise. The bluff 3 betters make themselves obvious.


At some level, probably quite close to where I am now I will bump into better players. I may change my rules when I get there or realise that I'm there already.


More to come.

6BIs is suicide.

Yeah, less than 10 bi's above 10nl is crazy.

$30 tables, 562 hands, + $109.00 @ 64.65 bb/100, roll $259.50

The next hand will be at $50 tables.

I have had a big slice of luck at the $30 tables. The all in adjusted figure is $41.92. However I intend to carry on until I pass peak oil and then review the op. One limiting factor is that I am using the small stakes version of PT4 and may not be able to save hands above the $50 level without an annoying reversion to PT3.

I am happy that by using a strict drop down criterion as detailed in the first post I won't go busto. If the roll goes below $150 I drop back to $30, at $90 I go down again to $20 and so on. When I go down a level, the target to get back again goes up a buy in.

My roll for this op started at a nominal $10. My real roll is higher than this.

The reason your BRM doesn't work is because dropping down doesn't automatically result in you winning again.

You can run so badly that your BR can get eaten up. I think you're at the point now where you aren't going to go bust, but have fun when you drop down 3 or 4 levels.

I applaud OP's aggressive BRM. So what if it increases the odds of bustoing considerably? GAMBOOOOOOOOL.

It is making me wanna do the same. I remember one Christmas I gambled my whole br and won enough to pay for everything required for a happy Christmas. Was a huge rush playing 100nl hu with no real strategy and kicking ass.

Originally Posted by ImSavy

The reason your BRM doesn't work is because dropping down doesn't automatically result in you winning again.

Granted. The initial run of luck I have enjoyed has produced a graph that looks like a hyperbola when I was expecting more of a roller coaster curve. I had expected to face a much higher target to get to the $50 level.

The ideal level is that which turns the greatest profit and may not be my highest winning level. So if I lose marginally at $50, win marginally at $30 and win well at $20 then $20 is where I should be playing. Probably I should not go beyond $10 at my current skill level. 888 is softer than any other site I play on. On Stars the nearest in toughness is $5.

I am a recreational player. The idea behind this op is to inject a bit of fun and tension. If I lost every penny from this a/c I still have a few hundred dollars elsewhere. Currently I'm down to $225 so perhaps the roller coaster starts here.

Redux.

I haven't had a lot of time for poker recently.

What I discovered when I did this before was that $50 tables were beyond my comfort zone. In a strange way this made me reckless. I found that I was betting where I would have checked at a lower level and calling where I would have folded. I think I was doing this because I was countering the "fear" that I was feeling. Without the time to analyse my play I abandoned the op.

Since mid May I have more time again. Rather than revive from where I was, I decided to start again. This time I am only going to take this up to $30 buy ins and increase the number of buy ins needed by 1 per level, So I need 5 at $4, 6 at $6, 7 at $10 etc.

As I did not lose what I had first time round I have the additional cushion of the winnings I made previously.

I began again with my nominal roll of $10. With a bad start this went down to -$1.57 (I can have negative numbers with a nominal roll.) A similar bad run mid-op would cause me to drop 2 levels. Since then things have looked up. I just passed my target to play $4 tables at 4.5 bb/100.

This op will end when I have 30 buy ins at the $30 level.

Good luck norman!

So what's your starting roll at this point? How many buyins do you need to move up to $20 and then $30?

I have similar recklessness when I move up. Though it's not generally betting when I could check, but more calling too much and assuming everyone is bluffing me.

Originally Posted by griffey24

So what's your starting roll at this point? How many buyins do you need to move up to $20 and then $30?

I began again with $10. Assuming no drop backs I would need:-

$4 x5 $20
$6 x6 $36
$10 x7 $70
$20 x8 $160
$30 x9 $270

If I lose 2 buy ins at any level I drop back and raise the target as per the first post.

Thanks for the support. I'm currently working nights with plenty of time during the night to play. With a bit of luck this will make the nightshift worthwhile though there is a dearth of $4 tables around during the small hours.

It has been down and up. I had a day off work and put in a couple of hours at $4. The result of this was a modest gain. I took a break for an hour and messed up for the next 5 minutes. I threw away 2 buy ins by calling where I was obviously behind. I then tilted away another buy in the following morning so I was down $12 in less than 10 minutes playing time. This did not quite trigger a drop down but I went back down to $2 anyway.


At $2 I continued to drop till I was just $1.40 over my initial $10. One buy in loss was silly but the rest was runbad.


Cue heater. I now needed to get back to $24 under my rules to play $4 again. I picked up the 7 buy ins needed. This did include a massive suckout. The villain was clueless but that does not justify the way I played the hand. My only excuses are that I felt he would have called me down Ace High as he had played for stacks with A9o earlier and I would have called the inevitable all in from him if I had checked.


888 Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 96.5 BB
UTG: 297.5 BB (VPIP: 81.40, PFR: 65.12, 3Bet Preflop: 66.67, Hands: 44)
CO: 100 BB
BTN: 40 BB
Hero (SB): 252 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

UTG raises to 11 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 34 BB, fold, UTG calls 23 BB

Flop: (69 BB, 2 players) 6 T 6
Hero bets 51.5 BB, UTG calls 51.5 BB

Turn: (172 BB, 2 players) T
Hero bets 166.5 BB, UTG calls 166.5 BB

River: (505 BB, 2 players) K


I'm currently up 2 buy ins at $4. The roll is $33.66 and I need $40 to hit the $6 tables.