Mission: Pro = Porsche

Shit, why not start one. I play poker all the damn time and soon I'll be going pro so this seems appropriate. I lurk around here a bunch, reading about you guys, finding some inspiration to keep playing when variance is being an asshole to me. I should offer my experiences too.

recently, I had been reading about those guys who turn in their FPPs on Pokerstars for Porsches. How in the hell do you play enough poker to earn a Porsche?! Sure, I'm a platinum star and by the end of the year, I should be supernova with ease, but damn! I did a little math... If I play 12 tables of $1/2 30 hours a week (with the occasional play at 2/4, it'll take a little over a year to earn 3,000,000 FPPs....Maybe its just me, but that seems feasible somehow.

Maybe I'll go for it....

In the meantime, I'm just gonna start logging some of my experiences as a young player trying to go pro.

peace

Here are a few EV charts. (I don't know what they mean, but I will post them anyway.)

Good luck. I think 3 million FPP's is very doable over time. I also think the Porsche is priced point very well as far as FPP's per dollar. The main reason I personally wouldn't want to do this is because I think new cars are a bad investment because they go down in value quickly and even if it was used, to justify spending that much money on a car, I think you'd need to have a million or so in the bank already.

If you took just the cash @ 3 million FPP's where each dollar costs 62.5 FPP', which is the $4,000 SuperNova purchasable bonus, you're looking @ $48,000. That IS $12,200 less than the $60,200 Porsche, BUT the moment you drive it off the lot or have it delivered to your house, it'll probably be worth $48,000 or so anyway and I just wouldn't want that much money tied into single vehicle UNLESS I had a million or in the bank. I mean $48,000 is a small house or half-way to a reasonable house depending on where you live.

But, regardless of how you choose to spend your FPP's, good luck getting to 3 million.

man, I seriously want that Porsche too.

race?

I need some serious motivation to grind enough..and having someone else with a similar goal would be pretty sick.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

man, I seriously want that Porsche too.

race?

I need some serious motivation to grind enough..and having someone else with a similar goal would be pretty sick.

If I do actually go pro in a couple months, let the race begin!

(Note: I lose at everything but poker quite frequently.)

What is your current bankroll...stakes?

Originally Posted by Jason

Good luck. I think 3 million FPP's is very doable over time. I also think the Porsche is priced point very well as far as FPP's per dollar. The main reason I personally wouldn't want to do this is because I think new cars are a bad investment because they go down in value quickly and even if it was used, to justify spending that much money on a car, I think you'd need to have a million or so in the bank already.

If you took just the cash @ 3 million FPP's where each dollar costs 62.5 FPP', which is the $4,000 SuperNova purchasable bonus, you're looking @ $48,000. That IS $12,200 less than the $60,200 Porsche, BUT the moment you drive it off the lot or have it delivered to your house, it'll probably be worth $48,000 or so anyway and I just wouldn't want that much money tied into single vehicle UNLESS I had a million or in the bank. I mean $48,000 is a small house or half-way to a reasonable house depending on where you live.

But, regardless of how you choose to spend your FPP's, good luck getting to 3 million.

You've made some darn good points there. To be honest, I don't really even like the Cayman S all that much. lol. Now, if they offered me a Cayenne S... I'd have to reconsider.

BUT, if someone is earning that many FPPs in such a short period of time, they could always rally up another 3 million again and again and again. lol... every two years, a CAYMAN or 48,000.

Another note, a Supernova Elite can easily earn 3,000,000 FPPs in less than 10 months. A-MA-ZING. That would be phenomenal. Wonder how man Boku earns...hmmm...

Don't Porsche ur luck ...

Oh yeah, my graphs... what are they trying to tell me. I'm so unsure.

Any ideas? I believe they're EV graphs.

btw just thought it was a pretty cool pun ... seriously, you can do anything you put your mind to. Winning poker + volume = porsche for you imo... gluck!

Originally Posted by Im_new

If I do actually go pro in a couple months, let the race begin!

(Note: I lose at everything but poker quite frequently.)

What is your current bankroll...stakes?

100nl-200nl FR, br is 5 digits

Damn it, you've got one hell of a headstart! lol. I think I can catch up though. Are you a Full-Time player or no?

Originally Posted by Im_new

Damn it, you've got one hell of a headstart! lol. I think I can catch up though. Are you a Full-Time player or no?

yeah I don't have any other commitments other than some sick traveling this year and next so I'll be doing this poker thing for awhile..

hit me up on aim/msn or whatever if you want (ship me a pm)

Im_new - you focus on tourneys or cash mainly? I had thought you were mainly an mtt grinder till I read this thread..?

Originally Posted by Penneywize

Im_new - you focus on tourneys or cash mainly? I had thought you were mainly an mtt grinder till I read this thread..?

Oh god no, no cash for me. lol. I did a brief run at 25-50nl for $2.2K two years ago, (damn, two years ago!) for a summer, but I grew tired of the monotony.

Right now I'm playing 180s and 45s. I want to move on to larger fields eventually, but I don't think I'd like the variance.

You must be confused because I mentioned that getting a Porsche is feasible by playing at $1/$2 for a year. I'm not doing that, but I was bored and worked out the numbers via the VIP calc on Pstars's website lol.

I'm a 99.5% MTT grinder, my friend.

Oh SNIZZZZLLLEEEEs....

POST #1,000!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not among the rest of the 4-digit ppl addicted to this site. I'm honored.

Good luck on your mission OP. I will be following this one closely, as this will also mark the first year that I can grind enough to reach nova. Fuck it, it marks the first time ever I can get Platinum lol.

Be sure to forgo the PDK option, just get a manual gearbox imo.

Update,
WTF?!

I had to stop my session early because I was about to loose my fucking mind. 29 tournaments and another 18 BIs DOWN... this is ON TOP OF my LAST 87 BIs gone!!!!!!!!!

MY GOD, WHAT THE FUCK HAVE I DONE TO YOU!?!?!?!
You guys are probably tired of me bitching and moaning already. My apologies, but my boyfriend is tired of my nagging already, too, so I've gotta let it out somewhere. This is ridiculous.

How any of you guys have experienced this type of down"swing" (105 BIs) in these 180s/45s? This downswing just doubled my previously "largest" one. I've been running my tournies though SNG wiz and its telling me that a vast majority of my shoves as good as usual, a few mess-ups speckled around here and there. I downloaded Tourneyluck and took a look at some graphs to see if I was losing my mind. Turns out, I AM running bad after all. VERY bad!

Whatever I've done to piss off someone at Pstars or in the sky off, I will never do it again.

Promise.


ps. damn and sorry, in a past life i was a sailor.

I think you guys are undervalueing the coolness of getting a brand new Porsche delivered to your driveway free and clear by poker pts. It's gotta be worth an extra $5k for every time during the life of the car that someone asks you about why you picked that one that you can just smirk and say, "Well that's the only one Pokerstars offered me."
So I was looking at your graphs, and it sure does look like you've taken a nice long drawn out kick in the face. Here's the question that I wonder. It shows that you go allin with roughly 8% of your total hands. I know that when short-stacked and when down to the FT you can be going allin every time you play a hand, but I'm surprised that it could come out to 8% of your total. I would wonder if this was typical for a winning MTTer? I'm not giving an opinion, just wondering, never heard anyone keep track of it before. BUT, the higher that stat, the more open the door would be for variance swings right? Both good and bad. Certainly you've been taking the bad end for a while. I'm just wondering if your playing style puts you in a position to be more swingy potentially. Ofcourse if you're getting your $ in good, eventually it's gotta swing your way as well. It's just a matter of riding out the storm.
Hopefully you can appease the wrath of the poker-gods before your next session. Good luck!

That is definitely true Kijjo. My style of play does make me susceptible to larger swings. However, I've catered my style to fit the tournaments that I play. Turbos are going to definitely be swingy, but this swing is seemingly unidirectional.

Originally Posted by Kijjo

I think you guys are undervalueing the coolness of getting a brand new Porsche delivered to your driveway free and clear by poker pts. It's gotta be worth an extra $5k for every time during the life of the car that someone asks you about why you picked that one that you can just smirk and say, "Well that's the only one Pokerstars offered me."
So I was looking at your graphs, and it sure does look like you've taken a nice long drawn out kick in the face. Here's the question that I wonder. It shows that you go allin with roughly 8% of your total hands. I know that when short-stacked and when down to the FT you can be going allin every time you play a hand, but I'm surprised that it could come out to 8% of your total. I would wonder if this was typical for a winning MTTer? I'm not giving an opinion, just wondering, never heard anyone keep track of it before. BUT, the higher that stat, the more open the door would be for variance swings right? Both good and bad. Certainly you've been taking the bad end for a while. I'm just wondering if your playing style puts you in a position to be more swingy potentially. Ofcourse if you're getting your $ in good, eventually it's gotta swing your way as well. It's just a matter of riding out the storm.
Hopefully you can appease the wrath of the poker-gods before your next session. Good luck!

THIS. So many life nits around here..

Update!

I'm still running like shit overall, but there is a tiny tiny tiny light at the end of the tunnel. By that, I mean, I actually took 2nd in a 45man...great feeling.

And in other news, my copy of Kill Everyone (the first poker book I own) arrived from amazon today. Can't wsit to dive into it. Any favorite chapters?

Good for you. At least you know from your ev line you're playing winning poker - results will swing back your way in no time. Btw.. when you get your Porsche what colour do you think it'll likely be? :=)

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

Good for you. At least you know from your ev line you're playing winning poker - results will swing back your way in no time. Btw.. when you get your Porsche what colour do you think it'll likely be? :=)

Haven't thought about it. All i know is that if my roll falls below 2k, I'm done with poker for a while.

Dude, Kill Everyone is a nice read thus far. I'm reading the early chapter about Hansen and Negreanu and there ridiculous aggression and reading abilities. This sections is a refreshers that I so need.

I'm gonna hit the tables shortly, try to keep my cool no matter what and hopefully have a winning session.

TTYguys later.

Two things:

Thing one:

I went out and bought this, Belkin N52te, because I thinking it'll help me out with my multi-tabling. So far, so good.



Only thing is that I've gotta remember all these damn things I'm programming into it. I would waste a bunch of time giving a diagram of my setup, but I'm too lazy.

Thing # 2:

I wanna grown my hair out like this:



Imagine sitting at the table over from this guy at the WSOP. I guarantee I'd lose and blame his hair for distracting me the entire tournament. "Redo! And I demand a recount."

And think how deceiving of a player image could you create? Everyone would think you're stressed and tilting from hand one on. That's gotta be +EV. One day, you could straighten it out and toss on some shades when you're feeling "on top of your game"...oh yeah, I'm doing it.

hahhahaahaha

Originally Posted by Im_new

Update!

And in other news, my copy of Kill Everyone (the first poker book I own) arrived from amazon today. Can't wsit to dive into it. Any favorite chapters?

Well, that depends. If you got the one with the commentary by "Elky" Grospellier... I'd recommend:

Any part of it not by Elky Grospellier. The guy's a great player, but jesus christ, not one useful comment in the entire fucking text. He basically rehashes what the other authors say in a far less eloquent / interesting / insightful manner. He even gets concepts somewhat wrong, actually confusing the reader on several occassions. I mean, fuck. At one point I felt like if he was going to refer to one more fucking thing as a 'key concept' I was gonna pay the 2k roundtrip to France just to push him down a flight of stairs.

Seriously. 50 fucking pages of that shit. Skip.

Originally Posted by Penneywize

Well, that depends. If you got the one with the commentary by "Elky" Grospellier... I'd recommend:

Any part of it not by Elky Grospellier. The guy's a great player, but jesus christ, not one useful comment in the entire fucking text. He basically rehashes what the other authors say in a far less eloquent / interesting / insightful manner. He even gets concepts somewhat wrong, actually confusing the reader on several occassions. I mean, fuck. At one point I felt like if he was going to refer to one more fucking thing as a 'key concept' I was gonna pay the 2k roundtrip to France just to push him down a flight of stairs.

Seriously. 50 fucking pages of that shit. Skip.

Yup, I've got the edition with Elky. He's silly. Very silly.

Things I should not be doing right now:

10-tabling 25/.50 to let off steam and spew $100 all over the place.

Originally Posted by Im_new

Two things:


I wanna grown my hair out like this:



Imagine sitting at the table over from this guy at the WSOP. I guarantee I'd lose and blame his hair for distracting me the entire tournament. "Redo! And I demand a recount."

Not hard to imagine, i've seen his brother at the WSOP before... Jesus Ferguson

Update:

Apparently, you can't hide from variance.

I'm so caught up in this funk that I'm not even playing well. I used to be FR player, so I tried to grind 50nl for a little while, mostly to earn some VPPs, but I also needed a change of pace. I thought it would be a good idea because I somewhat missed FR.

HORRIBLE IDEA.

I got pwned for $400 over 3 days... FML. Of course, a lot of that was me being dumb, but a lot of it was the same bullshit I've been facing in tournies = no luck in my AI situations. if I'm the fav going in, I will not be after the river. If I'm the underdog, I stay put.

Those 50nl guys are complete NITS (well, when compared to 180s they are). I mean, it was absolutely gross playing against them. Hated it. I could not figure out how to get around them/how to get value. Being a laggy fool clearly didn't work.

In short, my roll is sitting at 2100 and I'm not liking this one bit. Just two weeks ago I was sitting on 4K and playing well.

New mini mission:

Win back the now 480 I donked at 50nl by beating 50nl.

I need to learn post flop play all over again anyway. I will def need it for when I move to larger field tournies.

Thoughts about this minor transition?

Are you a tournament player or cash player? I personally find it difficult to try to do both and highly recommend anyone wanting to succeed to pick an area of expertise and stick with it.

Originally Posted by Jason

Are you a tournament player or cash player? I personally find it difficult to try to do both and highly recommend anyone wanting to succeed to pick an area of expertise and stick with it.

I've been back and forth. When I was younger I grinded 25nl and 50nl successfully (mostly 25nl), but I got tired of it and went to small mtts. I've made more money in tournaments because I'm overall a better player than I was 2-3 years ago.

Learning both ways of thinking and playing is healthy, I think. It isn't exactly the most profitable thing to do, but it is definitely challenging. At the end of it, I should be a better player.

Poker is supposed to be fun, so do whatever is fun or you feel is best, but it's just worth considering and knowing that if you choose to play both, you simply won't be as good of a cash game player as you would be if you JUST focused on cash games nor will you be as good of a tournament player if you would JUST focus on tournaments. Doing both splits your overall efforts.

To help maximize your chance of success, I think at least 90% or so of your play should be focused on ONE game @ ONE stake if not 95% to 100%.

It's not bad though considering the variance slump she's been in, to try to mix it up and do a switch for a while. I do think I'd have a stop loss for the cash games though and just go back if it were me.

Update:

I sat down and tried to remember how to play FR again today. I avoided all that fancy (wrong) nonsense that I had been doing unnecessarily. (I had to step outside of my super aggro tournament mindset.) I made 3.5 BIs in 2903 hands.

In the process, I hit platinum star for the first time in my life!

Things are looking up for the first time in a long time.

side notes:

This Belkin gamepad is the shit! Seriously, if you're a bot tackling a bunch of tables, get one of these. They're super comfortable. Def +EV.

Originally Posted by Im_new

In the process, I hit platinum star for the first time in my life!

Things are looking up for the first time in a long time.

It seems like we are in the same boat then, at least volumewise.

Race you to the Porsche?

Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer

It seems like we are in the same boat then, at least volumewise.

Race you to the Porsche?

...AND THEY'RE OFF!
I'm only at 21,000 right now, so I have a long long longgggg way to go.

Originally Posted by Jason

Poker is supposed to be fun, so do whatever is fun or you feel is best, but it's just worth considering and knowing that if you choose to play both, you simply won't be as good of a cash game player as you would be if you JUST focused on cash games nor will you be as good of a tournament player if you would JUST focus on tournaments. Doing both splits your overall efforts.

To help maximize your chance of success, I think at least 90% or so of your play should be focused on ONE game @ ONE stake if not 95% to 100%.

this is the one comment that has helped me the most. I was doing a complete mix of SnG's and FR. while i was doing ok at SnG's I was completely sucking at FR. I decided to focus completely on FR and put the MTT's and SnG's aside for the time being. I have read as well that good FR players will do better at MTT's then vise versa.

Good luck with your play and I hope you start going back up. I know how aggrivating it can be to continually get sucked out on. But don't forget in the words of Daniel Negreanu, the top poker players need "discipline, talent, and fundamental knowledge" as well as "a disregard for money. You must be willing to go broke"

So, I've been breaking even since I stared "winning back" my losses at 50nl FR. I'm not even going to bother with it anymore...its far farrrr too slow and conservative for my tastes. The only thing I'll miss is how quickly VPPs can be accumulated...that's it.

I'm finally getting into the good parts of Kill Everyone, chapters 4-5-6. Next time I sit down, I'm gonna win a million. Lol

Update:

Took the weekend off and traveled down to Fort Wayne, IN with a good friend of mine. Lots of bbq and booze is all I really remember. Today, I sat down to play some tournies for the first time in a long long loooong time (like a week and i half or so, I think.) It was sort of disorienting. Of course, this feeling will fade quickly. Right now, I'm playing in some satellite to the Super Tuesday and the 5.50 2R1A. Wish me luck.

Update,

Sweet, a +$350 day.

Glad to hear. Nothing like some bbq to kickstart a new groove at the tables.

That +350 was just a tease. Fuck my life.

And this shit persists:

This has been my day. Fuck this, dude.

Poker Stars $8.00+$0.80 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t100 - 9 players - View hand 628778
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BB: t97618 M = 46.48
UTG: t8071 M = 3.84
UTG+1: t10750 M = 5.12
UTG+2: t12534 M = 5.97
MP1: t31866 M = 15.17
Hero (MP2): t13905 M = 6.62
CO: t59277 M = 28.23
BTN: t7426 M = 3.54
SB: t24565 M = 11.70

Pre Flop: (t2100) Hero is MP2 with A K
4 folds, Hero raises to t2000, 3 folds, BB calls t1200

Flop: (t5300) 8 8 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t4000, BB calls t4000

Turn: (t13300) 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t7805 all in, BB calls t7805

River: (t28910) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t28910
BB shows 4 A (a full house, Eights full of Fours)
Hero shows A K (three of a kind, Eights)
BB wins t28910