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    Take a look at this and then consider your possible delusions:

    TYROMPER Poker Player Ranking and Stats at PokerStars

    [ ] 200nl on stars is too hard
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    I wanted to click that link, but I think it's against Stars and Tilt's TOS Well, in every game, SOMEONE is usually crushing it I just want to maximize my earn and have fun. I personally, so far, find the games @ Tilt MUCH easier @ 100NL than I do @ Stars 100NL. Before the change, I thought Stars had better games probably by an equal margin than Tilt is now better. Could I retool and win @ Stars 100bb? Probably. Could I go to the fish @ 50bb max games, learn those from scratch, and win like I was at 20bb to 100bb? Probably. I think long term the way things are NOW, Tilt is a better move for me because I can earn more money there playing 100bb against more fish. Admittedly, I haven't been @ Tilt long so I could always come to a different conclusion later, but I'm up 7 buy-ins plus another two buy-ins in rakeback for $900 in just 10 days. I'll know a lot more though next month.

    And I'm definitely not the only one who feels this way. TimStone, 13_Xerxes_13, NL__Fool (from DC), and many others are all solid winning players who play small to midstakes if not higher and have left completely or partially for Full Tilt. If you haven't already read the 2+2 threads related to this topic, there are a LOT of players who feel this way and frankly I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk here as well:


    P0kerStars Announcement of Changes to NL/PL Cash Game Buy-ins

    Opinions wanted: Impact of min/max buy-in changes on high stakes games at P0kerStars

    If YOU or anyone else still likes Stars, I tip my cap to you and wish you well. I personally like Tilt more but I do hope Stars will fix their games something along the lines of 30bb cap, 35bb to 100bb default NL games, and deep games, so I can come back.
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    That's funny cuz I'm moving to stars now cuz of the state of deep games.
    I've added a couple of 100bb tables whenever there weren't enough deep ones... I think the standard of play is different than on tilt, but still terribad. I bumhunted some guys who I later found out were some of the winningest regs at the stake and I wus liak



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    time stone and xerses are both massive bumhunters fwiw

    FTP has always been softer than Stars though, or so everyone says. I'd just grind it up on FTP if I were you because that's where you're comfortable with your game and have good confidence.
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    Deep games are another, third animal altogether. If fish played them, I think they would be great, but they rarely do and then you get to sit around with a bunch of other regs hoping you don't make a 300bb mistake pot controlling 3rd set on a rainbow board against them trying to get the fish's money.

    Yeah, I don't think there's one answer for everyone. I wouldn't try to convince anyone to play @ Tilt if they like Stars. I think bumhunting is a necessary skill to have. I call it "table selection", but if you want, I'll admit I'm a proud bumhunter. That doesn't mean I shy away from regs or tough opponents, but I'm not actively looking for them either. A good game revolves around fish imo, not other regs. But, we can agree to disagree on that.

    I thought Stars had better games before this change but now I think Tilt does. All things being equal, I love Stars - better software, customer support, more players. But, default 50bb max NL games really killed my boner for them.
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    I'm all for table selection, it's a great (and necessary) skill to have. Some just take it to the extreme though, and if you are grinding towards Supernova Elite you can't really be too picky (insert names of whining SNE chasers here)

    You should keep some money on Stars too though and then have the option of table selecting across both sites. Maybe even just 10 buyins would suffice, though how you manage your bankroll is of course your personal choice. Plus like you say, when those deep games run on Stars they are usually good since it takes marks to even get them going. That way you can slip into those good games while they come and go and not be restricted in where you are able to game select.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason View Post
    I figure out what cards can beat me, say them out-loud, and like magic, they appear.
    definitely sort this out, it's a sick type of tilt. Hell, I rarely even look at the table once i've clicked all-in until AFTER the hand is finished. What's the point, really? this was a recent evolution (mid-may) by the way, and it's gold.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason View Post
    According to HEM since I moved to 50bb max, I'm $2k or 10 buy-ins behind EV where I should be. And, don't get me started on the coolers.
    sounds like my month, 17bi behind etc. Re the coolers, i thought the same, but then i ran filters over set over/under set and two card flush over/under two card flush and realised i was suffering selective memory and net only down 5 or 6 buyins on these spots.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason View Post
    the point is that half stack play is not the same as full stack play and I'm having to learn and adjust and it feels like EVERY lesson is costing me in real money @ the tables.
    spend a few hours on lines and bet-sizing vs getting allin on the river etc and you'll be shocked and it will make a bunch of money for ya long term.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason View Post
    I also don't believe there is as much money to be made in the games @ Stars compared to the way things were before.

    I'm convinced that by and large a skilled player who was making money @ 20bb to 100bb can't make the same or better in the 50bb max and it's simple math to prove why. The fish and YOU don't start with as much money so you're already capping your upper gains. Then, when you add in all the pre-flop and flop shoving, which seems much more prevalent than before, your edge gets taken away even more-so. Top it all off with trying to adjust for half stack optimal strategy and money just isn't flowing in nearly as fast as before.
    if you move up a blind level then your buyin is the same = money making is the same, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason View Post
    So, to try to make a long story short (too late, I know), I decided that I am moving most of my play to Full Tilt.
    interesting, a few ftr regs have recently moved FTP -> stars and are singing in the streets about how much softer the games are on stars, i'm about to join them for a while
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    I think both parties are right. It all depends on how your game matches up to a certain range of opponents. I think I play exceptionally well against nitregs who take predictable lines, and stars is chock-full of those. The deep tables amplify that advantage exponentially because I can put them in much more difficult spots, and I probably have more experience playing deep than most just because I've always selected for deep games first.
    Wherever you have the highest winrate at the end of the day is where you should be playing... quite obviously
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    I update @ the end of each month or whenever I move up or down a level

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    YTD Total $10,587.48 ( $1,912.52 BEHIND pace)
    June Total $3,726.09 (+ $1,642.76 ahead of pace)
    May Total -$519.41 ( $2,602.33 BEHIND pace)
    April Total -$369.00 ( $2,452.33 BEHIND pace)
    March Total $2,254.70 (+ $171.37 ahead of pace)
    February Total $2,982.97 (+ $899.64 ahead of pace)
    January Total $2,512.13 (+ $428.30 ahead of pace)

    June Total ---> $3,726.09
    Venue ---> Profit ---> Profit%
    FullTilt ---> $2,196.3 ---> 58.94%
    Live Games ---> $1,069.25 ---> 28.70%
    FullTilt Rakeback ---> $460.54 ---> 12.36%


    After a couple months that were neither profitable nor particularly enjoyable, a different and much more pleasurable result came during the month of June. Whether this is an isolated incident or a foreshadowing of months to come is unclear, but I was able to bank my best month since I started playing poker. In fact, my total poker profit bankroll is higher than it's ever been as I was able to make-up the heavy losses I sustained the past two months. Although I'll be wary of the next storm whenever it hits, it definitely feels great to have at least temporarily weathered this last big storm.

    The games on Tilt at the moment feel every bit as good if not more-so than when I was in the thick of my 100NL playing time originally @ Stars. For the first time, the look and feel of the site @ Tilt isn't foreign to me and I can keep up with action, take notes, look back @ hands, and get reads. For so much time, I wasn't able to do that comfortably and my results there always felt less than optimal or what I felt was possible. This month I also set a new personal best record for number of buy-ins made for one day playing online when I made $774.25 playing 100NL on the Tilt felt one particular day. And, it's just been nice to get it in with the best hand and it hold up the majority of the time, as it should, even when the pot gets big

    One time during June I logged in to Stars to attempt to play to keep Platinum, but that particular afternoon ALL the games looked bad - both 100bb max and 50bb max. The VPIP #'s were bad, the number of regs was high, and the number of fish was low. This was at both 200NL and 100NL both 100bb max and 50bb max. Maybe it was an isolated incident, but I just didn't feel like getting off course and potentially smearing poop on what was shaping up to be a great month by messing around on the disaster that Stars has become in my eyes, so I passed and didn't play a hand. I didn't play a hand @ Stars this month in fact and I'm back to Bronze star and not really caring much about it. I do worry a little about getting on enough this year to earn ~28k VIP to get SuperNova and the $1k milestone bonus and then a little more to have enough to have the equivalent of $4k in FPP's, but I'm going to put off doing that for at least a little while.

    It's amazing to me how much I liked Stars and only played there pre-UIGEA and then almost exclusively there when I started back post-UIGEA and how quickly they have become so bad. The new cash game structure, as I've mentioned, has just ruined cash games. And, even if you don't play cash games or don't agree that they have had such a negative effect on the site, look at all the other areas Stars, to put it lightly, hasn't exactly given anyone warm fuzzies:

    Chinese DON Collusion Ring on Stars?
    Hold on Pokerstars, when did you start raking these pots?
    Investigation Into Softplaying Between Stoxtrader, Kinetica, and LittleZen (very very tl;dr)
    Has anyone received credits from these LHE cheaters on Stars?
    Pokerstars.fr just started cash games tables and made them unprofitable

    Maybe I'm just more in tune to what happens @ Stars and maybe Tilt has or will have similar issues, but with the cash game issue alone, Tilt will remain my home for the time being. Rumors are circulating that some sites have reported Stars has lost traffic and a select few other sites including Tilt have picked up traffic. PokerScout seems to show that the business is down across the board. I don't know what's true or not, but I don't see how Stars is doing as well now as they were before because I've seen many players like myself just get up and leave plus I've seen many of the players who have stayed drop stakes, thus not contribute as much rake as they did before. Then when you add all these cheating scandals, Stars just hasn't been the same fun place to play. But, I do hope they can turn it around because I think good quality sites and competition is ultimately good for everyone and all else being equal Stars DOES have better rakeback and customer support.

    This month I went to Vegas for the first time and it was better than I imagined it would be. I'll have a separate write-up about that soon, but the Cliff's notes version is that I made ~$1100 in ~12 hours @ the tables and had a great time taking in the city with my girlfriend and one of her friends.

    For July, I hope to be able to keep the ball moving in the right direction on Tilt. Spoiler alert: I'm ready to start playing $200NL. I'll have a separate write-up for that, too, but moving into July, I hope I'm able to have a successful first move up @ Tilt and win @ 200NL. I may or may not pop back into Stars to try to redeem enough VIP's to get bonus, milestone, and stockpile FPP cash. Part of me wants to get my milestone and $4k cash and part of me just doesn't want to worry with it. I'll sleep on it some more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason View Post
    Y I was able to bank my best month since I started playing poker. In fact, my total poker profit bankroll is higher than it's ever been as I was able to make-up the heavy losses I sustained the past two months
    nh dude!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason View Post
    I may or may not pop back into Stars to try to redeem enough VIP's to get bonus, milestone, and stockpile FPP cash. Part of me wants to get my milestone and $4k cash and part of me just doesn't want to worry with it. I'll sleep on it some more.
    i'm going through the same dilemma, like, i'm only 98k vpps short of nova and it seems a waste not to spend a few weeks earning those bonus $$
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    Here's a separate entry to reflect on my trip to Vegas last month, which was my FIRST trip to the city sin. I had a FABULOUS time. Because it was my first trip to Vegas and also because I had my girlfriend and one of her friends, I didn't just play poker. But, I put in several hours each day for 4 days and was fortunate to play decent and capitalize on a few opportunities and have some decent luck, too.

    My hotel was @ Bally's which was great BTW so I started there. It started on a bad note as I raised QQ in early position and a short-stacked lady re-raised all-in for ~$50 and an older Asian gentlemen 4bet all-in. He wasn't fully stacked, but it was still like $140 more or so. In hindsight, I should have folded since I know there's a stereotype that older men only push with the nuts, but I rationalized that there was a lot of money out there and he might do it with TT, JJ, or AK. The AK was probably optimistic and he DID have KK and it held up against my QQ and the lady's AK. But, I was afforded a gift later when a guy gave me his stack and I just had one card to make a straight. I guess he didn't see it. I was expecting at least a chop and was a little afraid that he might have the two cards to beat me. That QQ hand was the only one of the weekend I thought I played badly. This session started me up with $219 profit.

    The next day I went to MGM which I think was my favorite because it was just really nice, lots of tables, and the monorail took me straight from my hotel to there in one stop. I only won 3 pots that session but one of them was the biggest pot I've ever had in a live game @ ~$900. With pocket 9's I flop AA9 and slow played it in position with a calling station and an aggressive player who had played KK like the nuts in a JJ2 pot earlier and lost to a Jack. Long story short, I was able to get my stack in against both of them and it held up against trip aces from the aggressive player and against who knows what from the calling station who mucked but called the rest of his stack off because there was "just too much money out there". I suspect he was drawing dead for a flush or straight. This session gave me $536 profit total.

    I went to the Venetian the next day and I probably would have played there the entire time if it was as close to my hotel. I liked it because there were a LOT of games running so you have that feeling that you can find a better table if you need to. I still didn't win many pots this day either, but was fortunate to cooler someone when my JJ flopped J4x versus pocket 4's. The case 4 didn't come and I doubled up a $300 stack. After this session, I had $319 profit.

    The last day I played was @ the MGM and grinded out just $5 profit which I was happy with.

    In about 12 hours of play, I made ~$1100 total playing $1/$2 which is more than fine with me. I toyed with the idea of playing $2/$5 at the Rio where the WSOP was being played, but I've only logged 40 hours live in casinos and don't even have the bankroll to really be playing $1/$2 by my 30 buy-in rule. So, I'm going to just keep grinding $1/$2 live for a while until I have a lot more hours under my belt and I'd say at least $10k or so before I take a shot @ $2/$5. As expected, the play wasn't very good overall @ $1/$2, but even still, there's a learning curve to anything even with bad players and the variance with poker can get a little crazy, so I don't want to risk moving up to $2/$5 until I'm ready as you could easily and quickly lose a few grand if bad luck or a few bad plays go against you.

    I'm going back to Vegas in December to run the 1/2 marathon. I'm really looking forward to going back to play again.

    Other things I did in Vegas: ate @ the Stratosphere, saw Beatles Love, saw Showgirls Jubilee, went on a 5 mile run down the strip, viewed the Titanic exhibit, took in the Fremont Street experience, tasted Cokes from around the world, and lots of sight seeing.

    It's an amazing town and so much fun, but to be honest, just like NYC, I would have trouble imagining living there. It seems more like a place I'd want to visit at least once a year.

    The hotel cost $296.27, plane ticket $360.40, nice dinner with the girls $95.00, $120 for Jubilee tickets, and ~$100 for other incidentals. I made $1079 @ the tables, so that leaves me with $107.33 profit THIS trip at least ... but in all actuality, I keep those bankrolls separate. I knew I was spending about a grand for a vacation and the grand I made @ the tables goes into the banrkoll.

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    As I alluded to two posts back, it's been about a month and a half since I said good-bye to Stars and their rathole heaven for greener pastures @ Full Tilt. I didn't have the bankroll there to step right back into 200NL so I played 100NL looking to win at least 30 buy-ins and build up a bankroll of at least $6k before I could play 200NL again. During that time, I feel fortunate to have made a little over 30 buy-ins as planned plus almost $600 total rakeback, paid weekly, added to the bankroll I already had when I started puts me over the $6k mark. My win-rate was ~8bb/100 or 4ptBB/100 over ~36k hands which was better than when I first played @ Stars. I hope that is partly indicative of better play on my part, but with a small sample size, one can never know for sure. I definitely feel my game and especially my mental game has come a LONG way since I started 100NL on Stars.

    It's hard to quantify how the player pool @ Tilt compares to the player pool of Stars during that time. 100NL @ Stars under the old cash game structure was my definitive favorite level and there were some very fishy players. On Tilt, there are still a lot of fish and honestly, some of the BIGGEST fish I've ever seen have probably been at Tilt. I've seen some players do some of the craziest things I don't ever remember seeing @ Stars. I think by and large the ratio of fish to regs is better on Tilt, but because Stars has historically had better numbers of players, they may have more raw fish but also tougher regs, too.

    The bottom line though is that I am just LOVING playing without pro-shortstackers angle shooters and ratholers. Ironically one day there was a shortstack player in one of my games. I don't even remember him shoving that much but what caught my eye was a full stacked player berating him for not having more money. I remember thinking, 'Wow, dude, you wouldn't last one day @ Stars because this is basically a rathole free zone'.

    I actually prefer more than 30 buy-ins for playing upper small stakes or mid-stakes games. I'm allowing myself to pick up @ 200NL on Tilt with only 30 buy-ins because I was a winning player @ 200NL before Stars introduced their new structure. If I'm ever close to moving up again, I'll probably want to have a full 40 buy-ins for 400NL of which at least 30 were earned @ the 200NL tables.

    $200 times 40 equals $8,000 (profit)
    $2,000 DEFICIT needs to be earned via rakeback, 100NL, and 200NL
    $8,000 (profit) plus $6,000 (my current bankroll) + 2,000 DEFICIT equals $16,000 (amount I need)
    $400 (next level) times 40 (required buy-ins per my Bankroll Management rules) equals $16,000 (amount I need)

    As always, everything will take care of itself eventually IF I'm able to consistently win.

    Here's my $100NL Full Tilt graph from HEM:


    I plan to start playing $200NL until I drop down to $4,000 (20 $200NL buy-ins) at which point I'll drop back down to $100NL exclusively or until I rise up to $16,000 at which point I may move up to $400NL. I will continue to play a combination of $200NL and $100NL depending on table selection.


    How High Can You Get?
    Level 1 ($ 2 NL PS) - 12/13/2008 @ $100 -> Winrate for level: 24bb/100 or 12ptBB/100 over 11k hands (As of 01/22/2009)
    Level 2 ($ 5 NL PS) - 01/22/2009 @ $150 -> Winrate for level: 36bb/100 or 18ptBB/100 over 8k hands (As of 03/03/2009)
    Level 3 ($10 NL PS) - 03/03/2009 @ $300 -> Winrate for level: 24bb/100 or 12ptBB/100 over 20k hands (As of 06/18/2009)
    Level 4 ($25 NL PS) - 06/18/2009 @ $750 -> Winrate for level: 15bb/100 or 7.5ptBB/100 over 18k hands (As of 07/18/2009)
    Level 5 ($50 NL PS) - 07/18/2009 @ $1,500 -> Winrate for level: 5.62bb/100 or 2.81ptBB/100 over 71k hands (As of 11/24/2009)
    Level 6 ($100 NL PS) - 11/24/2009 @ $4,000 -> Winrate for level: 6.86bb/100 or 3.43ptBB/100 over 57k hands (As of 02/04/2010)
    _____REVISITED @ TILT - 05/19/2010 @ $3,000 -> Winrate for level: 8.27bb/100 or 4.14ptBB/100 over 36k hands (As of 06/29/2010)
    Level 7 ($200 NL PS) - 02/04/2010 @ $8,000 - ABORTED 05/19/2010 DUE TO POKERSTARS NEW CASH GAME STRUCTURE
    _____REVISITED @ TILT - 06/30/2010 @ $6,000
    Level 8 ($400 NL) - ??? @ $16,000
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    Thanks.

    Btw, I don't usually pay attention to my red line, but decided to take a peek for giggles:

    Total Red Line Graph


    Red Line Graph with NO small blind or big blind


    Red Line Graph with ONLY small blind or big blind



    Not sure how I can improve my game with that information, but there it is.
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    yeah u pretty much just proved stressing over red line is retarded.
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    Bump for July recap.
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    YTD Total $10,718.38 ( $3,864.95 BEHIND pace)
    July Total $130.90 ( $1,952.43 BEHIND pace)
    June Total $3,726.09 (+ $1,642.76 ahead of pace)
    May Total -$519.41 ( $2,602.33 BEHIND pace)
    April Total -$369.00 ( $2,452.33 BEHIND pace)
    March Total $2,254.70 (+ $171.37 ahead of pace)
    February Total $2,982.97 (+ $899.64 ahead of pace)
    January Total $2,512.13 (+ $428.30 ahead of pace)

    July Total ---> $130.90
    Venue ---> Profit ---> Profit%
    FullTilt Rakeback ---> $649.09 ---> 495.87%
    FullTilt Bonus ---> $100.00 ---> 76.39%
    PokerStars Bonus ---> $6.00 ---> 4.58%
    FullTilt ---> $-624.19 ---> -476.84%

    The first third of the month, I hit my monthly nut. The second third of the month, I didn't put in much volume. The last third of the month, I lost most of what I had made to have basically a breakeven month. August is off to a craptacular start. Between the end of last month and the start of this month, it feels as bad or worse than the worst run in my short poker career. The gist of it is that I can't get paid off for hardly anything. AA and KK pre-flop everyone instafolds. The few times they call, KK spikes Aces automatically on the flop and AA gets 4 cards to a flush or str8 or villains instafold flop. When I hit a set, instafolds. When I raise with the bottom of my range ala TT and AQ, I'm constantly getting repopped or put in really tough spots. When I spike a set, villains instafold. The few times I get action on my good hands, villains have better hands with better sets or sets when I have two pair in three bet pots or full houses when I have trips in 3 bet pots or whatever you can dream. The majority of these spots aren't against sophisticated players that are outplaying me, but instead are long term losing fish. I mean, don't get me wrong, I definitely don't always play well and I'm constantly looking leaks and trying to plug leaks, but I've lost a lot of money in pots I just feel like it would be a huge leak to lay down hands and try to put villains on better hands simply because most of those guys and gals can show up with so many worse hands ... or so I figured

    The silver lining is that the games still look and feel good. As bad as last month felt, I technically made money and as bad as this month is starting off, there's still plenty of time to make money. Hopefully I can turn it around and get back on track, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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    Hope things got back on track. Update pleeze.
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    Hope things got back on track. Update pleeze.
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    August and September updates please
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    I hope he didn't get hit by a bus.
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    are we pretending/assuming he's dead?

    afterlife update plz
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    Meh...might as well take shots in the dark and make a blind assumption:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post
    man craziest thing ever I was talking to someone in IRC about how wack it would be if someone who posts regularly on an internet forum just died. cuz like, we'd have no way of knowing without knowing them irl and thus it would be very strange if one day that person just stopped posting. we'd have no idea why and no reason not to just assume death.

    :/
    i always think this is what happened to rondavu
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    anyone know his SN's to ptr and see if he's still playin.
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    RIP
    LOL.

    He last visited less than a month ago. And before that he had a three month hiatus.

    I think he's OK guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyPoker View Post
    He last visited less than a month ago. And before that he had a three month hiatus.
    Can you find that post? I did a search for all posts "3 mos. ago and newer" and the result said the last one was on 08-09-2010, 10:22 AM. That's the date of the his last post in his Op. Of course, the search results could be wrong.

    He usually does monthly updates. He did an update at the end of every month through the end of July. He missed August and September. So no, there was no previous 3-mos. hiatus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PlayToWin View Post
    Can you find that post? I did a search for all posts "3 mos. ago and newer" and the result said the last one was on 08-09-2010, 10:22 AM. That's the date of the his last post in his Op. Of course, the search results could be wrong.

    He usually does monthly updates. He did an update at the end of every month through the end of July. He missed August and September. So no, there was no previous 3-mos. hiatus.
    What? Look at his status and look at the last time he logged activity. It says "09-13-10 at 4:41pm" or something. I'm posting from my phone so I'm not sure whether he
    actually posted then. I think his last post was the update on p2. Before that he last posted in June.

    EDIT no he didn't post when he last showed site activity, so he must have just logged on the site. The point I'm making really is that he never seemed a prolific user of the site so I think we're reading into his disappearance too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post
    pretty sure hes dead
    I'm with M on this one...there's really no other explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyPoker View Post
    I think his last post was the update on p2. Before that he last posted in June.
    Actually, his last post was 8-9-2010. Before that, his last few Op posts were:
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    I think we're reading into his disappearance too much.
    I don't know EasyPoker, so I can't vouch for his integrity, but I'm beginning to suspect that he may be involved in Jason's disappearance? Just sayin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post
    pretty sure it'd be more interesting around here if hes dead
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    He probably just quit playing for awhile / got sick of it, or doesn't have much time.
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    pretty sure he's dead
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    He probably just quit playing for awhile / got sick of it, or doesn't have much time.
    Meh not really looking like that in this case. I had hope earlier today but there's a good chance he's dead now.
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    To my recollection, the only time he was late with a monthly recap was when he had a bad month (only happened once). And that's just human nature to not want to post if poker is not fun.

    For him to be this late with posting, he either lost his roll (no way in hell) or ....

    I'm just waiting for him to pop in and just say LOL, u f'in morans.
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    couldn't handle a downswing, killed himself, it all makes sense now

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    M2M wants blood.
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    He probably just quit playing for awhile / got sick of it, or doesn't have much time.
    logical explanations are not welcome in this thread.
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    Wow, this thread just got interesting

    As much as I tried to avoid it, I got pretty burnt out with poker. The end of my July and start to August was bad as far as raw results go as I alluded to before, but I remember stringing together a few small wins in a row and then suddenly just didn't feel like playing anymore. It didn't have anything to do with winning or losing, though ... just burnout. So, I intentionally took the rest of August off and all of September. My plan was to try to ease back into it for October. This weekend I may try to do that.

    I won't post any formal results or updates until I'm back into the swing of things, but unofficially as I recollect for last month was nothing except for a $7.50 cashout in a home game my gf wanted to go to. My results for August were definitely negative but I don't remember how much so ... like I said, I had a few heavy losses early and then maybe a string of some much smaller wins.

    Sorry I didn't post sooner, but I was burnt out and didn't really think anyone would notice if I stopped posting for a month or two
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    Sorry I didn't post sooner, but I was burnt out and didn't really think anyone would notice if I stopped posting for a month or two
    Wouldn't notice? fo realz?

    Damn Jason, ur ma hero. Sooo glad ur not dead, lol. Don't eva do that to me again!
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    Wow, just heard. Can't believe Jason died.

    RIP, Jason. I'll never forget how you were part of the masses who preached bankroll management enough that the fish started to live it. Your legacy will live on in them.
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    RIP, Jason. I'll never forget how you were part of the masses who preached bankroll management enough that the fish started to live it. Your legacy will live on in them.
    Too bad Slevin never met Jason.
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    Too bad Slevin never met Jason.
    No way. Slevin is a bright shining beacon in the middle of in tightwadland.
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    this thread is fucking awesome.

    jason, play and update more, i demand it!

    glad you're not dead!
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    how far behind the times is Gmml? Its obvious that he's died again . last time he blew his roll ....got his rakeback which let him pay for his internet and now has blown what was left. in shame that he has finally blown his roll fully and can no longer play, has blown his house and is living in his car ......wait this sounds like jared huggins.
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    i wonder if he made supernova? he's had great results this year too.. I'd have never guessed he'd take such a long hiatus from online poker
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    Heh, you guys are so crazy. I've played about 3 times live since my last update and none online. It was pretty fun. I've thought about getting back into it, but it's hard to explain, when I'm grinding, I put in so many hours, I think about poker all the time, I study poker, and it consumes me. It's like I'm in a trance and now that I'm out of it, I'm scared about the possibility of going back into it ... even though I would like to play to an extent. It's hard to explain.

    I never got SuperNova, which sucks because I have so many FPP's and can't figure out how I'll ever be able to use them in an EV way. I hate Stars VIP requirement. I wish you could just straight exchange them for cash at any time, but of course, they build a structure that helps their bottom line. When Stars changed their structure back in April making 50bb max the defacto game for fish, it REALLY screwed me bad. The games for me just started sucking on that site similar to how it did after UIGEA ... obviously not as bad as that, but still bad. It took me from on the verge of playing 400NL and likely making double nova to having trouble at 100NL basically overnight. This left me unable to play as profitably there as I could at Full Tilt and I chose long term profitability over going for SuperNova and short term VIP prizes.

    If I start playing again, I'll have to drop way down unfortunately I think both because I'm so out of practice and also because the games keep getting tougher - probably somewhere in the $25NL region if I had to guess. I guess my hope would be that I could first start liking poker again and then get good enough to where I can get Platinum and just take a hit on the FPP conversion versus what it would be as SuperNova. I heard they introduced instant cash for FPP's as a regular store item.

    If they would get rid of 50bb max OR make 100bb the default on Stars, I think I could have a much better chance of playing myself back in on that site and maybe get SuperNova. I also heard they redid rakeback on Tilt in a bad way, so that's even LESS profitability on that site, too. That's another thing I think that killed a lot of my enthusiasm for poker in that there's ALWAYS something around the corner making it tougher and tougher to play and be profitable and the minute you think you have something figured out, a monkey wrench gets thrown into it and you have to start all over. If poker was my only income or livelihood, maybe I'd just knuckle down every time, but when I do have other, better, more reliable sources of income plus other uncultivated hobbies, it's easy for me to want to take a break if I've been hard at it for 2 years or so.

    Anyway, we'll see ... I'll definitely keep you updated if I get back into it.
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    If you sit around blaming changes in the poker economy for your lack of profit/motivation etc. you will continue to regress and eventually be stuck playing .10/.25. If you look beyond the things you can't control and aim to get better and stay ahead of the curve, you will survive and prosper.

    There are people beating 25/50 NLHE in this poker climate. There's no reason someone who's as smart as you can't put in the effort to continuously improve and move up. Just don't expect to 3ptbb MSNL because it ain't happening.
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    yea jason it's one thing if poker isn't fun anymore, but if you wanna play don't let the toughness of the games discourage you.. they are still very beatable. 100nl (40bb min) has plenty of mediocre tags and more fish than you might expect.
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    I think the real Jason is dead. This is an imposter. The real Jason wouldn't be whining like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith_MM View Post
    pretty sure stars have made the bonuses instant bonus now so no clearance requirement.
    Right, but if you have 185k FPP points, your value on those points changes drastically if you are Bronze versus SuperNova. I hope one month next year I might be able to get Platinum again and just take a hit for what I would get if I was SuperNova because unless Stars changes their structure AND I can shake the burnout, I don't see me getting that anytime soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquach991 View Post
    I think the real Jason is dead. This is an imposter. The real Jason wouldn't be whining like this.
    Maybe I'm not explaining it right, but I didn't stop playing because I wasn't winning or the games were getting tougher. I stopped playing because I was/am burnt out. It's hard for me to combat burnout based on my personality as I throw myself into everything I do and have a somewhat addictive personality and drive to succeed PLUS a wide variety of other interests and responsibilities outside of poker just like most other people. One of the SEVERAL factors I think contributed to the burnout was the seemingly never ending changes of poker and the frequency with which those changes occurred ... not even just on the poker table, but the legal aspects, the way online rooms are always changing their structures for VIP/rakeback, worrying about withdraws/deposits, and so on ...

    So, if explaining some of the reasons that led to burnout is whining, then, yes, I'm whining, BUT when I wasn't burnt out and playing, I responded to all those changes and found ways to be successful every time and I'm sure I could do it again IF I could summon the muse to play again.

    I stopped playing in 2006 for similar reasons when UIGEA came out, partly because I had been playing too much too long, but also because it gets tiresome and not fun having to deal with the UIGEA and stuff like that ... but I eventually got the itch to play again. Hopefully I'll get the itch again sooner rather than later this time. I start a long Xmas break Friday, so maybe I'll fire up some tables and just try to have fun again. If and when I can get the fun factor under control, I'll reevaluate where my skill level is compared to the field and try to rebuild.
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    I understand the burnout thing. I think I'm approaching it myself. I don't play nearly as much as I used to. It use to be 6 days a week for at least 1k hands a day. Now it's 4 days a week for sometimes a little as 500 hands a day. Don't know why I'm losing interest.
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    Happy New Year ... 2010 went quite differently than I imagined. I don't even know exactly how much money I made, but I think it was around $10k and I stopped playing somewhere around mid-year due to burnout, so I was on pace for $20k, which IF I maintained the same pace in the 2nd half of the year would have been $5k short of my original goal and that deficit was probably due to the unforeseeable change Stars made in April to their structure which both reduced MY profitability AND rewards plus the always increasingly difficult games in general. But, I have no problems with the outcome or choices I made on the felt. It was a fun year when I was playing and I was glad to take an extended break, too.

    I did some inner soul searching to figure out exactly why I got burnt out or if it is preventable and all I can figure is that I just threw myself too much for too long into poker and combined with some negative outcomes such as Stars new structure, constant legislative battles, and games always getting tougher. After almost 2 years, it just wears me down.

    Although I don't want to jump the gun TOO quickly, I fortunately DID start to get the bug to start playing again on New Year's day and have put in 2 days at the virtual felt and have also felt the urge to get back involved with other poker related activities such as forum surfing, listening to poker podcasts, watching poker strategy videos, and the like. While I'm always trying to see 'How High Can I Get?', I'm going to scale back my goals for 2011 to be more modest and just aim to:

    (1) Start playing poker regularly again and having fun - put LESS emphasis on dollar amount won/loss per year/month
    (2) Start playing @ $25NL at Stars with the INTENTION of achieving Platinum Star sometime and cashing in ~200K FPP's
    (3) Determine which site and stakes I want to play at long term

    It's hard to say how often I'll update here. I just want to get back in the flow of playing and having fun. If I can do that, I'll have a better idea of how to proceed going forward.
    - Jason

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    you are unnecessarily hurting yourself by starting at 25nl if #BI's isn't an issue. you'll dominate 50nl even if you start out the first 10k hands semi rusty

    good luck keeping the poker bug in 2011!
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