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    Default Headsupadoodles starring Bigredaments

    So I'm going to start an operation solely on heads up play. The majority of the play will be cash game heads up but I do play some SNG HU as well.

    I have 40 buyins for 50nl and will roughly operate on a 30-50 buyin scheme for BR management. My goal for this operation is to learn how to be a better heads up player and obviously make some money in the process.

    I've been playing heads up for about a week and so far have been rather successful. So far what I've learned is:

    a) Tight is very hard to play against
    b) You don't call allins with top pair unless you have a great read
    c) Player selection
    d) Player selection +1
    e)Dogisheadsup is a great source of information
    f) Patience. Yeah you want to get in a 3bet/4bet donk war with that maniac but you'll make a lot more if you wait and trap him.
    g) If you're not making money (even if the guy is awful) find someone else to play

    I have a few weaknesses:

    a) 3bet donks, 3bet > 30%. I don't know how to counter it besides waiting for a good hand and I usually get frustrated and tilt far before that. Good 3bettors can avoid my monster hands too. Dogisheads suggested either minraise/limping more or calculating a +EV 4betting range.
    b) Minraisers. I can't make money off them. I can't build pots up to pay off my good hands.
    c) Postflop play. I'm far too passive postflop. My continuation bet is way too low, I need to checkraise more for balance, and I need to two barrel more. I just don't know when to do so.

    So yeah, any and all advice is appreciated. I'm going to load up some tables; I'm looking forward to seeing where this operation leads.
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    1. minraise/limp the button a lot, and ya 4bet a good amount if they're 3betting so wide, not hard to run the breakeven math on the profitability of 4bet bluffing

    2. minraisers are pot control monkeys, get them out of their element one way or another

    3. a lot of that is player dependent, you probably don't have to worry about being balanced b/c the 50nl hu player pool is huge and it doesn't sound like you want to be playing regulars anytime soon. So I would not worry about balance unless it's specifically exploitable, which only a few things are.
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    Op is 66/23 with a 3bet of 16% over 44 hands. Op is relatively passive postflop. Likes to bet a dollar on multiple streets if he's not strong. Will call raises instead of re raising 90% of time. This is the first 3bet I called so I don't know how he plays in 3bet pots. How do I play river?

    $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
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    Stacks:
    BTN Hero ($53.60)
    BB ($42.10)

    Pre-flop: ($0.75, 2 players) Hero is BTN
    Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4, Hero calls $2.50

    Flop: ($8, 2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5

    Turn: ($18, 2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $10.50, BB calls $10.50

    River: ($39, 2 players)
    BB checks, Hero ?
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    check it. TT+ arent playing so passive post so they likely arent in his range, but overs dont pay off river, draws dont pay off river either (except for ones that hit) and the rest of his range is littered with 22-88 and sc' type hands that hit hard. His range seems very polarized here to being either fold/raise with raise being everything that beats us.

    edit: actually, he likely has some Ax type hands here thatll call a bet, but i think its still a check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    1. minraise/limp the button a lot, and ya 4bet a good amount if they're 3betting so wide, not hard to run the breakeven math on the profitability of 4bet bluffing

    2. minraisers are pot control monkeys, get them out of their element one way or another

    3. a lot of that is player dependent, you probably don't have to worry about being balanced b/c the 50nl hu player pool is huge and it doesn't sound like you want to be playing regulars anytime soon. So I would not worry about balance unless it's specifically exploitable, which only a few things are.
    Can you expand on 2?
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    typically ppl who minraise aren't doing it for the right reason, the correct reasons to minraise would be playing against a 3bet monkey or playing against a nit who folds too much PF but plays really poorly postflop when he calls.

    most are minraising just to raise but play small ballish type poker, if you can constantly apply pressure on them with big bets and building bit pots you'll get them to make mistakes b/c they'll be in situations they're not used to being in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    typically ppl who minraise aren't doing it for the right reason, the correct reasons to minraise would be playing against a 3bet monkey or playing against a nit who folds too much PF but plays really poorly postflop when he calls.

    most are minraising just to raise but play small ballish type poker, if you can constantly apply pressure on them with big bets and building bit pots you'll get them to make mistakes b/c they'll be in situations they're not used to being in.
    Sounds good to me. Can you give me a few examples off the top of your head of "controlled" applying pressures in a heads up game? I tend to spew and it doesn't help when the games are generally loose passive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS
    check it. TT+ arent playing so passive post so they likely arent in his range, but overs dont pay off river, draws dont pay off river either (except for ones that hit) and the rest of his range is littered with 22-88 and sc' type hands that hit hard. His range seems very polarized here to being either fold/raise with raise being everything that beats us.

    edit: actually, he likely has some Ax type hands here thatll call a bet, but i think its still a check.
    Yeah, Hero checked and op mucked AQo.
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    you could probably make a really small bet expecting to be basically freerolling against his range
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    if there was more behind I can see jamming as a bluff in that hand, but I really don't see a huge reason to bet the river with like ~$20 behind.
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    OP is 49/12. Loved to limp from btn and most of vpip is from calling my btn raises. To exploit this I started raising every time he limped. This hand occurred as he started to catch on to me raising a lot. I realized I donked river like an idiot but that's not what I'm that worried about. What I need to learn is a better HU line in spots like this.

    $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
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    Stacks:
    BTN ($52.35)
    Hero (BB) ($63.85)

    Pre-flop: ($0.75, 2 players) Hero is BB
    BTN calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, BTN calls $1.50

    Flop: ($4, 2 players)
    Hero bets $3, BTN calls $3

    Turn: ($10, 2 players)
    Hero bets $5.50, BTN calls $5.50

    River: ($21, 2 players)
    Hero bets $10.25, BTN raises to $24.50, Hero calls $14.25

    Final Pot: $70
    Hero shows:
    BTN shows:

    BTN wins $69.50 ( won +$34.50 )
    Hero lost -$35
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    Ugh, start an operation and run bad/play bad. Standard.

    Some LOL bad situations:

    Op had 3bet me 4/5 hands when sitting down

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    Stacks:
    BTN ($51.25)
    Hero (BB) ($53.70)

    Pre-flop: ($0.75, 2 players) Hero is BB
    BTN raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, BTN raises to $19, Hero goes all-in $53.70, BTN goes all-in $32.25

    Flop: ($104.95, 2 players)

    Turn: ($104.95, 2 players)

    River: ($104.95, 2 players)

    Final Pot: $102.50
    Hero shows:
    BTN shows:

    Hero wins $2.45 ( lost -$51.25 )
    BTN wins $102 ( won +$50.75 )


    Literally two hands later....

    $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
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    Stacks:
    BTN ($101.00)
    Hero (BB) ($51.25)

    Pre-flop: ($0.75, 2 players) Hero is BB
    BTN raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, BTN raises to $13, Hero goes all-in $51.25, BTN calls $38.25

    Flop: ($102.50, 2 players)

    Turn: ($102.50, 2 players)

    River: ($102.50, 2 players)

    Final Pot: $102.50
    Hero shows:
    BTN shows:

    BTN wins $102 ( won +$50.75 )
    Hero lost -$51.25



    OH MANAMENTS

    $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
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    Stacks:
    Hero (BTN) ($50.45)
    BB ($110.95)

    Pre-flop: ($0.75, 2 players) Hero is BTN
    Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

    Flop: ($3, 2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB raises to $4, Hero raises to $13, BB raises to $22, Hero goes all-in $48.95, BB calls $26.95

    Turn: ($100.90, 2 players)

    River: ($100.90, 2 players)

    Final Pot: $100.90
    Hero shows:
    BB shows:

    BB wins $100.40 ( won +$49.95 )
    Hero lost -$50.45






    And the finale!!!!

    $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
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    Stacks:
    Hero (BTN) ($64.70)
    BB ($41.75)

    Pre-flop: ($0.75, 2 players) Hero is BTN
    Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

    Flop: ($3, 2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB calls $2

    Turn: ($7, 2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    River: ($7, 2 players)
    BB goes all-in $38.25, Hero calls $38.25

    Final Pot: $83.50
    Hero shows:
    BB shows:

    BB wins $83 ( won +$41.25 )
    Hero lost -$41.75
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    QT and J3s are clear river folds, in case you missed it, that's the button on the left that looks all shiny and unused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    QT and J3s are clear river folds, in case you missed it, that's the button on the left that looks all shiny and unused.
    But I has a flush
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    Also, what's a better line to use on the TQ hand? C/F river? C/C?
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    I wouldn't open the QT... unless he limp/folds a lot. Just try to stay out of oop spots as much as possible. Once I just started folding A4o from the bb, and 3-betting most of the hands that I wanted to play, I did much better HU.

    I agree that QT is a fold on the river. I don't agree with most of the forum that you can't make bet/folds getting 4:1... because you're not good close to 1 out of 4 times, and not betting looses value from all worse hands.

    J3s... I think it would be a good spot to make a disciplined fold. If it's a good call, it's only a marginally good call.

    HU is extremely swingy. I would say 50NL HU plays as big as 100NL 6m. So keep that in mind in terms of BR management.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar
    I wouldn't open the QT... unless he limp/folds a lot. Just try to stay out of oop spots as much as possible. Once I just started folding A4o from the bb, and 3-betting most of the hands that I wanted to play, I did much better HU.

    I agree that QT is a fold on the river. I don't agree with most of the forum that you can't make bet/folds getting 4:1... because you're not good close to 1 out of 4 times, and not betting looses value from all worse hands.

    J3s... I think it would be a good spot to make a disciplined fold. If it's a good call, it's only a marginally good call.
    He was limp folding > 75% of the time so I was exploiting him on this and trying to get a decent hand where he'd play back at me. This ended up being that hand and granted he tilt called and lucked out. I agree the river fold. Maybe a check on turn, c/c on river or possible c/f on river?
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    I'm going on a road trip with my sister up to UNH to visit my brother until Sunday so this newly started operation is going to be on pause. In the meantime, I'd like to discuss postflop aggression.

    What should my general approach to CBetting be? How does it adjust based on my opponent? What are good boards to Cbet? What are bad ones? What are good turns to double barrel?

    Check raising the flop. What should I infer from how my opponent CBets for check raising? What kind of boards am I looking to CR? What kind of holding do I want to CR?

    Very vague questions but I love thinking about general concepts and fine tuning them later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred
    Also, what's a better line to use on the TQ hand? C/F river? C/C?
    ya c/f and c/c only the smallest of bets, he has a lot of made hands he'll love to check down and very rarely any multi-street floats so it's safe to c/f.
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    I'm back from a great time at Fenway and Boston. I'll log a session later tonight when I have time.
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    Bump

    I've been playing some HU and I want attention
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    Updates?
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    scam imo. someone call the mods
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    10 buyins at 25n HU...ima be rich in like....2 billion years
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    Up about 12 buyins since I started. I run hawt.

    I don't expect this to continue as well since I'm luckboxing my way through a lot of hands. Two particular hands I remember is getting it all in on a TT2 flop with TK. Op flips over AT. Since I'm a good poker player the K comes on the turn. In hand two, flop is 9JJ with two clubs and I have the AK clubs. I shove and op instacalls with QJ. Now, you're probably thinking since I'm a good player I caught the club and won the hand. WRONG. Bigred is an effin great player so I made the turn bring an A and then guess what? My Hellmuth like trapping abilities brought the final A on the river. I should write a book on how to win at poker.
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    Made 1.5 buyins playing a quick hourish session. Moving up to 50NL if I make 3-4 more buyins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred View Post
    Two particular hands I remember is getting it all in on a TT2 flop with TK. Op flips over AT. Since I'm a good poker player the K comes on the turn. In hand two, flop is 9JJ with two clubs and I have the AK clubs. I shove and op instacalls with QJ. Now, you're probably thinking since I'm a good player I caught the club and won the hand. WRONG. Bigred is an effin great player so I made the turn bring an A and then guess what? My Hellmuth like trapping abilities brought the final A on the river. I should write a book on how to win at poker.
    Hahaha, <3 bigred.
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    Yeah man, my awesomeness is not getting the attention it deserves

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    dude try updating first
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