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    Default Drive to $100NL (still the same thread)

    OK, bare with me. This may get a little long. It's basically going to be a blog by some guy who has sucked at poker up until Oct.1st/2006. This will be monotonous and slow for the action junkies and people looking for advice, but I could use a few regulars to pop in and give me shit or tell me i'm right once in a while when things go bad.

    Basically, This is going to be my poker concience. Every poster on FTR that has a blog is doing good things at the tables and with thier bankroll. I have had some problems in the past with distractions and feeling rushed leading to bad bankroll management. Not to the effect of having my whole roll on the table, but as an example, I have played at party in the past on the $25NL tables with $300 and had a bad run. Alot of the times I play at too high a stake just to clear a bonus that I should not have even attempted because of not having the full deposit and wasting $$$. (i.e: Ultimatebets super slow bonus) I have wasted time and money chasing a bankroll. All my attempts have been successful for a short period but the variance is too much. I read about guys like Biondino hanging around too long at a limit and killing it. I wish that is was what I did at the beginning to just keep grinding the roll but that's in the past.

    Here's what I hope to accomplish with this thread and poker in general.

    >Stop playing out of my roll.
    I know this is wrong, no matter how good you think you are, because the swings and short term variance is a killer.

    >Get my bankroll up to $500 to play $25NL properly rolled.
    This may take a while, but in order to feel that I'm actually winning this will be my first magic number.

    >Play 20+ hours a week.
    This is not a major problem with winter coming and and agreement I have with the wife.

    >Start posting some hands and get some input into my play.
    instead of having to rely on myself all the time. I also want to start spending more time in the stategy forum than the commune.

    >move the computer desk out of the living room
    If I'm going to do this, I'm going to get serious and give myself the right enviroment.

    I will add to this post as my goals change or if I come up with anymore.

    History:
    Started at party poker with $50. (wasted the first deposit bonus and busted) I did alright but should have been on the $2NL tables not the $25NL but I thought you played higher and dropped if needed. Bankroll management????? What's that.

    Wanted to try again so I thought, what the hell pokerstars has a $20 min. deposit and $5 S&G's plus $1 tournies. I attempted that and had no Idea how these guys were killing me at the lowest limits and could not beat anybody in a tournement. You guys know the drill, I don't need to explain how I played, you've all seen it.

    Last chance. I decided to learn a little about the game. I new that there had to be advantages to certain plays and styles. Hell I'm not that stupid. I knew how a casino loaded the games for an advantage by manipulating odds, but poker is against other players, the casino doesn't have cards to play so they can't effect the winning, somebody has to win. I hate gambling but this was different, it's like a sport, a game or any other competition, I'm playing morons. So like everything I do, " I become obsessed with learning". I google "poker strategy" and find several sites to read, (you know what they all are) and FTR sticks out because it's the same look as my Bodybuilding and Nutrition site. (still can't read 2+2 unless someone links an article)

    So I read and read and then "I got it", bankroll management, pot odds, preflop hand selection and what the hell c-bets are. I deposited another $100 into party poker in March and get to $350 and start moving up to fast. Long story short.( Ya, Ya, I know) I've been to ultimatebet, pacific, paradise, party, pokerstars and now Prima trying to get my bankroll up. I've been too quick to get into another bonus. I deposit with less than maximum wasting a good bonus, just to try and get my roll up. It's been a rollercoaster of not clearing bonuses, playing a little above my roll and riding a coaster. I've managed to buy Poker Tracker, PAhud, Handgrabber and still have just under $200 again in my bankroll. So yea, that's it in a nut shell, one big fucking nutshell.

    So if your still with me, you won't have to read that again, I need your help, I promised the wife that:
    >I'd finish the bathroom that I demolished down to the 2x4's and floor joists in april and have just the tiling and paint left to do.
    > I'd have a thousand dollars to withdraw at Xmas time for gifts instead of our own money or quit because I obviously suck.
    >Get her, her own computer so I don't need to get off mine.

    And in return she will not bother me about the time I spend playing as long as things are taken care of at home.
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    if u stay as focused as u sound, then those goals will be met!! unfortunately with those kinda withdrawals (purchases) u will never go beyond NL25!! i would hold off until ur atleast to NL50 w/ a bankroll of atleast $1200 before u consider any withdrawals!!


    P.S- for a quick extra $300+ why dont u Casino Whore the top 3 - minimum risk casinos for their 100% matching bonus??
    1) Starluck
    2) Planetluck
    3) C.O.N
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    So here is where I started.

    $50 initial deposit at Party Poker.
    $20 first deposit at pokerstars.
    $100 second deposit at Partypoker.
    $50 on Poker Tracker
    $25 on PAHud
    $15 on handgrabber

    $260 total spent on poker.

    $175 bankroll on Prima(Riverbelle)
    leaves me $85 in the red as we speak.

    As of right now I just busted out doing the deposit bonus on Gaming club casino, in my first attempt at whoring casinos. that's one reason my roll is so small. I withdrew $50 a couple of days ago to try this. Not a great first attempt. I tried to autoplay thru the 90X $200 bonus for $50 deposit and busted with 1k hands to go, playing Las vegas BJ, after reaching over $300 before bed last night. These are the things that have killed my roll before and what has prompted me to start this responsibility thread. Give me shit or tell me to try again. There are two more I want to try badly. Planetluck and Starluck. I need black jack games with auto play, incase you didn't read my long, original thread where i mention I hate gambling. I'd rather play bingo than black jack or any other gambling game.

    I will post some stats from PT when I get home tonight and maybe a hand or two. I plan on playing 600+ hands tonight 4 tabling prima and maybe a tourney. This has been a problem for me in the past though. I can 6 table full ring or 4 table 6 max, but when i get into tourneys I don't pay attention enough. Without checking stats I can guestimate I finish ITM 50% of the time in big tourneys and 30% of the time in 1 and 2 table S&G's and haven't figured out where I should play. I love the tournements and S&G's but don't always have the time for them, that's why I play ring, I think I'm better at ring at the moment and I think thats where the money is but I think to much. That's why I need to get this thread started. The problem will be If I win a big score in a tourney i will probably end up playing higher stakes without working up to it and the winnings may be short lived.
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    You guys are quick. Thanks. I just typed my second post and already have 3 replies. My last post should answer a few questions but to reply, I have only withdrew to buy poker programs that I thought I needed. As for the casino seoul_child I've already addressed it in my second post. What do you suggest now, continue or wait for a little cushion.
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    WOW, I dont know what casino that was to charge u 90x the bonus, that's insane man! I would cushion ur roll once again in whateva means that has been working for you, and then when u have an investment of $100 again do Starluck, Planetluck, and CON in that order. Very minimal risk involved with those casino whorings and Star/Planet have very low wagering requirement (9x-->($100= $200) u need to wager $1800 to withdraw. Use the wizardofodds.com BJ chart and get yourself some moneys!!! Best Of Luck
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    It was because it's only allowing 33% of the wager on black jack to count towards the bonus (It's actually a 30x casino bonus.) They had autoplay so without getting to deep into it it's $200 bonus for $50 deposit and I was told with the HA of 0.4% it's ev is around $128. even with these T&C's.
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    BAD casino!!! do the ones i stated or rather follow along with my Post --- seoul_child1's Casino Whoring Journey, i will give all pertinent info. needed and u can see my results. First 3 casinos i do should be +EV of $300+ ;]
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    T_J, PM/AIM me any time if you want to discuss the concepts that work at 25NL, even if I'm not quite "killing it" as you kindly stated!

    (I can say with absolute certainty that WITH DISCIPLINE you will become a winning $50NL player by Xmas and you should be able to make $2k, allowing you to withdraw $1k for Xmas, without any problem. In fact. I'd happily make a wager to this effect - you are one of the sharpest beginners I've read on FTR)
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    Good luck T_J, I'm sure you'll soon get back to $25NL and then will be kicking its butt.

    Hope things go well for you on Prima, there's a few bonuses out there to grab, but they do take a while at $10NL (pfft... take a while at $20NL). But Prima hates me, so I'm biased.

    As soon as you're rolled for $25NL I'd seriously suggest going to the Cryptologic network (which is where Biondino did/does his killing... and yes mate, we've seen your stats, it's called "killing").
    It's amazing what a difference bonus+rakeback makes to the old roll. If you can play 15k hands a month there you'll probably be getting an extra $350 (do that in November/Decmber and you're a ways towards your grand without touching your roll).

    Either take Sun Poker (FTR's link) or Poker Plex (PM me for details there).

    I play $1/2 limit these days (and I admit it's not going so well at the tables) but I've whored over $600 off crypto this month with another $150 coming in rakeback off 11k hands (would be about 16k hands @ $25NL).
    Blah blah Op Blah blah

    Faith in Jesus Christ is +EV. That is all.
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    Thanks Anosmic. I have a bonus I'm clearing here but I will grind my roll up a bit here first before attempting anymore tricks. I think it's time for grinding out hands and stopping leaks.
    Here's my first day of my new disciplined poker playing. I had a few good hands and played well. Got unlucky and got stacked a couple of times. It's tuff at $10NL, they can actually have anything. Guys will push with TPNK or have a nut flush, you never seem to know. Here's an example.

    ** Game ID 963482656 starting - 2006-09-29 19:54:42
    ** Beckenham [Hold 'em] (0.05|0.10 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money
    - clarky666 sitting in seat 1 with $42.04 [Sitting out]
    - ryby184 sitting in seat 2 with $3.05 [Dealer]
    - trainerJyms sitting in seat 3 with $9.75
    - P-Funk27 sitting in seat 4 with $3.24
    - iamtehnoob sitting in seat 5 with $11.20
    - Stamang sitting in seat 6 with $26.29

    trainerJyms posted the small blind - $0.05
    P-Funk27 posted the big blind - $0.10
    ** Dealing card to trainerJyms:
    iamtehnoob raised - $0.30
    Stamang called - $0.30
    ryby184 called - $0.30
    trainerJyms raised - $0.50
    P-Funk27 called - $0.50
    iamtehnoob went all-in - $10.90
    Stamang folded
    ryby184 folded
    trainerJyms went all-in - $9.30
    P-Funk27 went all-in - $2.84

    ** Dealing the flop: , , :Th:

    ** Dealing the turn:

    ** Dealing the river:
    trainerJyms shows: :Qh:, :Qs:
    iamtehnoob mucks:
    P-Funk27 mucks:
    trainerJyms wins $10.32 from the main pot
    trainerJyms wins $23.24 from side pot 1

    So I succesfully stayed at $10NL for 1K hands tonight, and it was a little tough. Everytime your down you want to chase it back up. And the raises scare the b-gesus out of these guys. I need to settle down on the moves, play the board, play position and bet my hands. I let a couple of guys chase for cheap and it cost me. Nevermind the times I made them pay and they still chase. I know it's not supposed to bother me but damn.
    ** Game ID 963709984 starting - 2006-09-29 23:13:30
    ** Beckenham [Hold 'em] (0.05|0.10 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

    - SuperDavey87 sitting in seat 1 with $9.90
    - Birqis sitting in seat 2 with $13.22 [Dealer]
    - jules2420 sitting in seat 3 with $16.33
    - konakidgb sitting in seat 4 with $16.17
    - Parsifal sitting in seat 5 with $3.55
    - trainerJyms sitting in seat 6 with $24.95

    jules2420 posted the small blind - $0.05
    konakidgb posted the big blind - $0.10
    SuperDavey87 posted to play - $0.10
    ** Dealing card to trainerJyms: ,
    Parsifal folded
    trainerJyms called - $0.10
    SuperDavey87 checked
    Birqis folded
    jules2420 folded
    konakidgb checked

    ** Dealing the flop: , ,
    konakidgb checked
    trainerJyms checked ( I checked because it was a rainbow flop an dI wanted some one to have something to chase with, Is this a bad play?)
    SuperDavey87 checked

    ** Dealing the turn:
    konakidgb bet - $0.10
    trainerJyms raised - $1.60 ( $0.30 pot so I overbet thinking that I need to get the money in before they all mis the river and I waste this set.)
    SuperDavey87 called - $1.60
    konakidgb called - $1.60

    ** Dealing the river:
    konakidgb checked
    trainerJyms bet - $4.85
    SuperDavey87 went all-in - $8.30
    konakidgb folded
    trainerJyms called - $8.30 ( I call because I have a set, I can't lay this down, can i?? Why would he call that turn bet with a draw?? Oh ya $10NL. )
    SuperDavey87 shows: ,
    trainerJyms mucks: ,
    SuperDavey87 wins $21.45 from the main pot

    End of game 963709984

    Also here's my rollercoaster from last night. Anybody know why imageshack is not letting me get a full sized image anymore??



    Anyway it's 2 am I'm going to bed, I'll continue this in the morning.
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    Slowplaying is almost always wrong, you should have made a psb on the flop here I think. Get the money in the pot when you're ahead
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    Good luck Trainer, I'm on the same road so I'll be keeping track of this thread. I'm also beginning to get serious about my workout routine too, I just picked up Arnold Schwarzenegger's Encyclopedia to bodybuilding and started on its beginner schedule.
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    So here we go. The weekend was a disaster. I withdrew $100 to start casino whoring. Had $82 left after Fridays debacle. I stayed at the $10NL tables 4 tabling and was riding a rollercoaster, divided up amongst stacking and getting stacked on some bad beats all weekend.

    Here's one, Villiand has C-bet every flop he gets to.

    ** Game ID 967117911 starting - 2006-10-01 22:13:34
    ** Epimachus [Hold 'em] (0.05|0.10 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

    - ColdFeats sitting in seat 1 with $15.12
    - Pickeljoe sitting in seat 2 with $35.71
    - trainerJyms sitting in seat 3 with $10.61 [Dealer]
    - rollande65 sitting in seat 4 with $8.17
    - zoquete sitting in seat 5 with $9.75
    - budfather sitting in seat 6 with $11.57
    - BigluckAA sitting in seat 7 with $0.60
    - dezzaw sitting in seat 8 with $1.00 [Sitting out]
    - Greiner sitting in seat 9 with $5.82
    - Piotr6660 sitting in seat 10 with $9.40

    rollande65 posted the small blind - $0.05
    zoquete posted the big blind - $0.10
    Pickeljoe posted to play - $0.10
    ** Dealing card to trainerJyms: Queen of Hearts, Ace of Hearts
    budfather called - $0.10
    BigluckAA folded
    Greiner folded
    Piotr6660 folded
    ColdFeats raised - $0.40
    Pickeljoe called - $0.40
    trainerJyms raised - $0.70
    rollande65 called - $0.70
    zoquete folded
    budfather folded
    ColdFeats called - $0.70
    Pickeljoe called - $0.70

    ** Dealing the flop: 4 of Spades, 2 of Spades, Queen of Diamonds
    rollande65 checked
    ColdFeats bet - $3.00
    Pickeljoe folded
    trainerJyms raised - $6.00
    rollande65 folded
    ColdFeats went all-in - $11.42
    trainerJyms went all-in - $3.91

    ** Dealing the turn: 6 of Diamonds

    ** Dealing the river: 6 of Hearts
    trainerJyms shows: Queen of Hearts, Ace of Hearts
    ColdFeats shows: Queen of Clubs, 6 of Clubs
    ColdFeats wins $22.52 from the main pot

    And another for your funny bone. Was this a bad call by me to get this all -in at these stakes

    ** Game ID 945873396 starting - 2006-09-18 23:38:39
    ** Bellingham [Hold 'em] (0.05|0.10 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

    - trainerJyms sitting in seat 1 with $18.55
    - derekNUTSm sitting in seat 2 with $12.19
    - deadmoney_18 sitting in seat 3 with $10.00 [Sitting out]
    - rocket2A sitting in seat 4 with $2.50 [Dealer]
    - I_Cash_Out sitting in seat 6 with $7.60

    I_Cash_Out posted the small blind - $0.05
    trainerJyms posted the big blind - $0.10
    ** Dealing card to trainerJyms: King of Diamonds, King of Hearts
    derekNUTSm raised - $0.80
    rocket2A folded
    I_Cash_Out folded
    trainerJyms raised - $1.50
    derekNUTSm called - $1.50

    ** Dealing the flop: 8 of Hearts, 10 of Spades, Jack of Spades
    trainerJyms bet - $3.70
    derekNUTSm went all-in - $10.69
    trainerJyms called - $10.69

    ** Dealing the turn: Jack of Diamonds

    ** Dealing the river: 7 of Clubs
    derekNUTSm shows: King of Spades, Jack of Hearts
    trainerJyms mucks: King of Diamonds, King of Hearts
    derekNUTSm wins $24.13 from the main pot

    My weekend was a disaster and I had $65 left in Riverbelle. $100 in Neteller and I have a casino bonus going great. I'll let ya know how it goes.
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    I do win some money too. I hit up the free 200 at platinum casino and got real lucky on the slots. They give you a free $200 to start and you have to wager the full amount once on the slots before putting it into a bonus. If you have over $200 after you get the full $200 as a bonus on a $20 deposit. I actually hit a rolling jackpot and got to $485 but they only give you $200. Then its a 30x clearing bonus like all the others but you just deposit $20. If you don't get the full $200 they have a match bonus for you instead, up to $100. Anyway after getting the full $200 and my deposit of $20 I had to clear it. I let Blackjack Auto play for me all night but it only cleared $30 bucks because it clears at 2%. bastards. but my roll was at about $250 so I just cleared it at roulette. I bet $10 on black and red and hit the green a couple of times after a couple hundred auto spins. I cashed $218. Hope I get away with that. I no one could tell me if they would bitch about the roulette trick to clear a bonus.
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    So my total bankroll is at about $320. Not a great start. I busted another casino bonus. It's time to try the big three. I took more roll from riverbelle so now I have $65 left to play. I started playing $2.50 S&G's at riverbelle and have done ok. They are pretty easy. If you play like a nit, and play maybe two hands and get about half a stack from someone, your in the final three. I may do these for a while. I'm having a hard time Isolating guys in ring. It seems that every hand someone is drawing to the flush. I got my aces cracked last night on a three way all-in pre flop with two guys flipping over 3s,6s and 7d, td and doesn't the Diamond hit the flush for one but the 3, 6 spades gets the boat. Just getting stomped. I think part of the problem is playing for the big win. I was doing some calculations last night after taking some bad beats. And If I make 30bb/100 (pretty good rate) over 1000 hands that would be 300 bb or 30 dollars. ( I think I may not be playing for that pace. I need to stop trying to win stacks at every table every hand I VP$P. At 6max I would need to make 1.8bb in an orbit (net). THAT"S THE FUCKING BLINDS. Am I wrong? Am I working too hard? 1.8 BB every 2 orbits at $10NL is $0.36, at $20NL its $0.72!! I know I'd have to make up for the times I miss and the times I bet preflop, and the times I lose at showdown, but my pace is off. I've been aiming much higher. I'm going to shoot for "slow and steady and not stack off without the near nuts. Tell everyone at Prima $10NL I'm a folding machine. This explains to me why my poker trends never looks like all the others I see (one side of the mountain going up with a few bumps. Look at mine above, they all look like that. I will post some of my stats when i get home so I can start getting some input. I think for now, while trying to build the roll I won't worry about missing out on some edges and just stick to the basics. I know, I know
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    TJ, send me some HHs. However, one thing I immediately notice is your min-re-raise in the AQ hand - that's a leak right there. Not only will everyone call that raise (if they don't re-raise you - in which case you're folding, or calling when probably behind), but AQ isn't all that strong a hand especially against more than one opponent. If you re-raise here you have to slam it up to $1.50 or so - but I might be tempted to just call here and dump it on an unhelpful flop.
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    Thanks, I will send some. I wanted to post more hands but the poker tracker hands from prima are hard to convert. As for the re-raise, I think I get caught alot playing the wrong game. If my raises start getting folded back around to, I tend to lower my raises for my better hands to get callers. I do the same with open raises. I may have betting tells then, after frustration sets in I only raise large with marginal hands because a fold around would be ok for a steal. After figuring out some of the things I wrote about above, I'm just gonna keep pumping them. I don't really need to get callers and try to bust them with every premium hand. Sometimes 10 or 12 BB is goot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms
    Thanks, I will send some. I wanted to post more hands but the poker tracker hands from prima are hard to convert.
    Use the pokerhand.org convertor for prima HH and just post links. It makes pretty efficient work of them since th ftr convertor won't handle them.
    -jay

    "i think the biggest leak in my game is using 2nd level thinking against players who can't think on the first level." -Renton
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    Thanks Gutshot, it works perfectly. That will keep my posts down in size and make the hands easier to analize. Biondino, I looked for some hands to send you from my last few sessions and I find lots wrong with them. I wonder why I did the things I know are wrong, instead of what the hell I'm doing on alot of costly hands. I may have to slow down a little and either;

    A) play less tables
    B) Play full ring again (Jackvance called me a nit on one of my tables the other day)
    C) Stop trying to win on every hand I play. I need to fold more that is for sure.



    This is all my 10NL at prima



    This is my 20NL at prima. This was right in the middle of my 10NL venture. I started with $200 when I signed up and have cleared exactly $20 dollars.

    Here's the whole primachalada




    Tell me, Is this the way to win at micro stakes?? I think I have too many big pots and the variance is killing me.

    Here's the last one tonight, It's my stats.



    So I'm not gonna play till this casino bonus is put into Neteller. I may pull out of Riverbelle and find another site to whore. Problem is the limts I play. SunPoker is looking good to me right now. I know that Rakeback is not going to be huge, but at $25NL which I will be back at by the end of the month will be helpful and better than some of the bonuses at this level. In 16 days and with no effort I paid $100 in rake and I only played 7000 hands. I can double that with little effort in a month. This doesn't include tourneys and S&G's rake because tracker doesn't work on prima for them.

    Lastly, can anyone tell me why imageshack is only giving clickable thumbnails now. Is it just because ot the free account Is there another site to use to make these full size
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    Post more hands, man. Those graphs are gonna do nothing to improve your game and just generally piss you off looking at them.

    I've put in 10k at prima 20nl 6max and it can be frustrating at times, but it's very beatable. You may want to tighten up for a bit and then add some hands back in once you get more comfortable. I'm running at 19.5/11 since starting 20nl and it seems to be a comfortable range for me.

    Post more hands. I will look at them and try to help out since I'm playing those games right now.

    PS - You aren't using imageshack to host, it's linking to theimagehosting.com. You can use the FTR Gallery and then link those pics in your posts too, but save the graphs til they turn around.
    -jay

    "i think the biggest leak in my game is using 2nd level thinking against players who can't think on the first level." -Renton
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    [quote="Trainer_jyms"]
    C) Stop trying to win on every hand I play. I need to fold more that is for sure. /quote]


    This looks to me like the key point. It's something we all do from time to time, but not only is it bad in itself, but it devalues the bluffs you make, you make more of them to try and win the cash back, and you end up losing several stacks. Even at 6max it's okay to sit back and tighten up if you find this happening; it's okay to check/fold AK if you mis the flop; it's okay to believe a donk bet on a dry flop. Remeber, the less you bet, the more you'll be believed when you do (NB this may not be the case at $10NL).

    Smallball is fine but it's the big hands and the big wins that will give you 80% of your profit - don't risk large proportions of your stack on small pots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biondino
    Smallball is fine but it's the big hands and the big wins that will give you 80% of your profit - don't risk large proportions of your stack on small pots.
    If you look at my poker trends graphs I think it points out some glaring problems as you stated. It's not the large bets on small pots as much as large pots on mediocre hands on a drawing board. Both my W$SD% is way below 50%. That shows me I'm going to far with losing hands. I tend not to recognise when I'm betting agressive with TPMK or two pair, that they may have still called my large bets without the odds. I'm paying off guys with mostly flushes and some full houses (on paired boards) just because they called a 125% pot sized bet on the flop and pot sized bets on the turn and couldn't have the flush. I think this is my biggest leak. I need to raise that stat considerably, AMIRITE?? What of the other stats?
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    So here's a few from last night. These are my biggest and winners and losers. Depending on the feedback I'm getting I will post hands that approach those problems I need to work on.

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?544395 On the first hand, I only min raised after twice raising bigger and having it folded around to me. I was hoping for a reraise. As for slowplaying I had trip Aces and was hoping to let someone catch up a bit. The river bet is just if he had the J I'm gonna pay him, I'm not folding a boat.

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?544396 On this hand, What can ya say, Maybe a higher reraise preflop, but I wasn't getting this guy off his hand he was 85/20 at 100 hands and was luckboxing the table

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?544397 Just a typical, on the button, call cheap, and hit the hand. AMIWrong?

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?544398 I have no idea what I was to do with this hand. KJo scares me, It's one of my biggest losers on PT. I had a history of going to far with TPMK and getting either rivered or not seeing the set, because i'd try to get too much money in with a pair. This hand is a tough one for me to play.

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?544399 On this hand with a player like that at the table, I just didn't want to start waiving my arms or making any sudden moves and scaring them away. I had the hand and just let them come along for a ride, but can you play wrong against someone "Calling" all in on a turn card, with A high.

    Sorry about the links, I can't get a hand history to convert from prima, off of poker tracker. If anybody has any other Ideas, let me know.

    Lastly, am I the only one who is an overall loser on 1 pair hands in poker tracker? If I was to never play a one pair hand, I'd be a winning player by a long shot. I'm at work right now and can't post the summary numbers. Since it includes folded hands, not just hands taken to showdown, what's other players stats. Is this supposed to be a losing number or should I stop playing 1 pair hands? I know this can't happen but can this stat be in the green? I definitely feel this is a big leak of mine, losing alot of money on single pairs.
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    The KJ hand shouldn't be tough. Fold preflop. If you play it, raise it as it's a terrible multi-way hand. As you played it, you hit TP, nice job, so bet properly to push out drawing hands. You want to win this hand on the flop. If you then get called, slow down unless you improve.

    The last hand amply demonstrates why you should be able to own $10NL.
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    Do you suggest playing as tight as folding KJo in the cutoff at 10NL 6max?? I would have no problem with this since , like I said, this hand is a big loser for me. I actually started playing this hand as only a drawing hand. This was one of the rare times I didn't.
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    Folding it to a raise? Yes. Unless you have a read that this guy raises with crap (or is very tight/weak on the flop, or his minrasies mean especially weak hands) then yes, fold KJ. It beats no other premium hands and isn't a great drawing hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms
    So here's a few from last night. These are my biggest and winners and losers. Depending on the feedback I'm getting I will post hands that approach those problems I need to work on.

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?544395 On the first hand, I only min raised after twice raising bigger and having it folded around to me. I was hoping for a reraise. As for slowplaying I had trip Aces and was hoping to let someone catch up a bit. The river bet is just if he had the J I'm gonna pay him, I'm not folding a boat.
    Just keep making standard raises. If they are folding, raise more hands and keep stealing blinds until they figure it out. They will start calling your raises with bad hands. Rest of the hand seems fine.

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?544396 On this hand, What can ya say, Maybe a higher reraise preflop, but I wasn't getting this guy off his hand he was 85/20 at 100 hands and was luckboxing the table
    Raise to at least .80 maybe even $1 preflop to isolate. Maybe you won't push him off his hand, but you don't want 3 people calling cold behind you. ISOLATE!

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?544397 Just a typical, on the button, call cheap, and hit the hand. AMIWrong?
    I realize villain is crazy loose preflop, but I might still fold this. If I'm playing it, raise to clear out the blinds. Rest is fine.

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?544398 I have no idea what I was to do with this hand. KJo scares me, It's one of my biggest losers on PT. I had a history of going to far with TPMK and getting either rivered or not seeing the set, because i'd try to get too much money in with a pair. This hand is a tough one for me to play.
    Fold preflop.

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?544399 On this hand with a player like that at the table, I just didn't want to start waiving my arms or making any sudden moves and scaring them away. I had the hand and just let them come along for a ride, but can you play wrong against someone "Calling" all in on a turn card, with A high.
    Fine.

    Lastly, am I the only one who is an overall loser on 1 pair hands in poker tracker? If I was to never play a one pair hand, I'd be a winning player by a long shot. I'm at work right now and can't post the summary numbers. Since it includes folded hands, not just hands taken to showdown, what's other players stats. Is this supposed to be a losing number or should I stop playing 1 pair hands? I know this can't happen but can this stat be in the green? I definitely feel this is a big leak of mine, losing alot of money on single pairs.
    Dunno, I'll check when I get home.
    -jay

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    So, using what has been said here about my raising and isolating. It's working well. Friday night I had a bad run of cards and by bad run I mean I lost about 2.5 buy-ins inspite of hitting both my first royal flush and first two str8 flushes in the same session.

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?550934

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?550932

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?550928

    With these hands all you can do is hope someone has a monster and bets back at you. I was hoping someone would have a flush at least and think they have the pot. I had a hard time on friday night extracting any cash off guys and when you see the chart you can tell that I got ansy and started to bet at pots without the goods. I got used to the higher raising requirements after about a thousand hands and climbed out of the hole. I played close to 4k hands this weekend and that's with going out to two turkey dinners. (It was canadian thanksgiving)

    Here's my weekend rollercoaster. ther first 500 hands are actually the slide from thursday night. (to the bottom of the first slide)Other than a couple of stackings on some questionable calls. I think I got it figured out. I still give guys too much credit for not chasing flushes after large preflop raises, overbetting the pot after the flop and still betting 2/3 the pot after the turn that when that third suited card comes on the river, they can't possibly have chased the flush after all that. But my str8 or two pair never holds up. they always have the flush. It's an interesting thing at 10 and 25NL. they fold up like cheap tents when the board flushes no matter what has happened before that or how much money they have invested, but they will chase a flush with any two suited if they have 4 to the flush post flop. I think I need to get into that mentality. On the flip side, my set's never get paid. Any scare card on the river and off they run. I want to post some other stats when I gethome and have someone tell me, do I seem to get less sets than the odds suggest, or is it just in my head.



    Even though this chart shows I'm down. I won a $5 15man S&G to pay $45 I think and a couple ITM's from $2.50 10 man S&G's as well. I cleared another $40 from the "slow" bonus so my roll is over $200 again on riverbelle.
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    i think you played the JTs hand bad. raise the flop, bet the turn.

    you want to make the pots bigger on earlier streets so that way you dont have to overbet on the river to get all of their chips
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    Raise QTs in the cutoff. Limping sucks.
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    Pretty amazing what can happen when they can't catch those suckout flushes on the river.


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    Good read so far T-J. My lone recommendation would be to raise more when you reraise preflop. Well, that and rarely,if ever slow playing. If they don't have a hand, they may bluff or catch a second best hand. I've noticed that the key to low stakes is patience to get your money in with great hands.
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    So, thanks so far guys. Halfway thru october and I'm at $220 on prima. After a dismal start. I've been really aggresive with my preflop and postflop betting. I have discovered that If I play tight(18/9 @ 6max) and never open with less than 4x, or raise 3x the limp, I either take down the blinds and limpers, or get one caller almost everytime. I stopped C-betting into more than 2 players and I've slowed down on the turn and river without at least a set. Guys aren't hiding behind my agressive turn and river bets anymore, and when a calling station has a monster he rarely gets a large portion of my stack. I won $40 last night on a 15 man S&G last night after getting stacked first hand in ring (rivered str8 over set of K's). Last night I tried to experiment with 2 FR tables on top of my 4 x 6max near the end of the night and just played full ring on autopilot. I was up 3 or 4 bucks on each after only and hour and maybe spent 30 seconds total looking at them. After multitableing shorthanded, full ring is slow and easy in comparison. I'm shooting for 4k hands from tonight till sunday night. PT doesn't work on the tourneys and S&G's there so I may not be able to track all the hands but I will post my weekend stats when I'm done. I can't post all my stats because they are scewed to stupid on the first 5000 hands at prima. I do have over 15000 since signup there on sept.19. so I'm having no problems getting in the hands.

    Two questions. First, did anybody get to check their summaries on PT and see if they are a winning player in the pair or two pair categories, and if yes, is that with or without checking the box for folded hands.
    And secondly. How can you find out your % of sets flopped. I may be just screwed in the head but I really feel that I do not get my fair share of sets. It may be just because I'm having a hard time getting them payed off, but I swear, I've had some dry spells and cannot remember a rush of them in my short career to make up for that.
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    Hmm. I never got around to replying on your pair & two-pair category question.

    It's absolutely normal for them to be "losers". It would be a really weird sign if they weren't.

    A good proportion of hands finish as pairs. Remember this includes that J2o hand you junked pre-flop from the BB and a 2 turns up on the river. It includes the time you junk 72o in the SB and the board comes up AAK93.

    If you take the maxim "set it or forget it" as a strategy then you'll be folding a PP 7 times and playing a set once (so major loss to the 'pair' category, profit goes in the "three of a kind" category). Of course there'll be times that your PP holds up, there'll be times your PP will set after you fold, there'll be times when the board pairs (making your loss show up in two pair).

    Add to that all the times you middle/bottom pair and you begin to see why your losses ought to end up in that category.

    Not sure how clear I made that. But there you go.

    What would be a much more helpful tab in PT would be categories of hand at the point I folded it.
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    Don't sweat the statistical improbabilities like how many sets you flopped compared to what the odds say. It will all even out in the long run.

    I don't have exact stats, but I remember seeing on the Summary tab that one pair hands are net loser (no surprise) but I was in the green with two pair hands. I guess I run good.
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    So It's been Half a month and my progress has not climbed to where I'd hoped. But, I'm playing better, I'm in control of most of my game. I just got to stop being stacked with marginal hands. When I lose a buy in or two, usually only after about a 100 hands in the session, I get smart and focused, and get my buy-ins back. Can't post my weekend stats yet, I'm at work. The short version is that I went down almost $85 on friday, getting smoked by drunk, stupid calls (not mine), catching gutshots when I know they are chasing. Set over sets after getting it all in on the flop, and they catch the miracle 2 outer. This isn't a bad beat tread, I swear. I'll say this, I never got stacked once this weekend from what I could tell, by getting the money in while behind, so I know i will come out on top in the long run. I Played a total of 3997 hands this weekend in my ring games, I also played 8 $2.50 S&G's (5 x 10 man, 5 x 30 man) and a couple of tourneys.

    I was up about $30 on the S&G's and I never monied on the tourneys. They are more like MT S&G's because there are only 60 or 80 in most tourneys on this site and ITM starts at final table. I got to between 20 and 11 on every tourney, but I always start with blind stealing and watching my M too late because of the ring games occupying my time, and when it gets too late I can't get back into it.

    So I'm basically at $225 after losing the original $85 on friday night. That's awfully swingy still I know, but I will post these charts and hands when I get home in a couple of hours. I'm basically down over the weekend $20 in ring but with bonus and tournies, i'm close to where I started. I had a 1k hand downswing and 3k hand upswing so it makes me feel ok that I was able to focus and keep it climbing all weekend after having only 15 or 16 buy-ins. I did break one of my rules and played some $20NL FR when I was feeling on my game, along with my 4 x 6max 10NL. They are no better at the game and the tables are weak as hell with 40+VP$P and PFR% at on 6 or 8. But without the roll, I know it can be disasterous. i did end up a buy-in+ at those tables, which can be a problem for me. I've been down that road before and will try not to repeat history and get into chasing the BR again.

    I really need to find some time for analizing and posting hands. It seems that when I have time at home, it's right to the tables. I have a week off in november to get a few things done, but want to get in a shit load of hands as well. I'd really like to see what I can do with no distractions at home before I get some time off for surgery (my arm, nothing major) and may get 6 weeks of much needed vacation after that. Haven't had more than 8 or 9 weeks off in the last 6 years. I even stopped doing the personal training 3 years ago to get more time and I'm not getting any.
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    So here's my stats for the weekend.


    Yes I see the glaring leak. Here's the hands that cost me big.

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?561192
    I didn't give credit for a set here. I figured he had reraised all in before with AA and KK so maybe a smaller pair. I slowed down the turn and basically had decent odds to stick around and the river call was 6 bucks to a $47 pot with an overpair. Ouch.

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?561206

    Put him on a missed draw, what the hell do I know?

    Ya I know, two hands in bad position facing resistance. This is supposed to be something I get away from now. TP or overpair against resistance is a bad place to lose a stack.
    So I was reading on the other site about BR management and moving up. They have actually claimed that at the SSNL it's not wrong to move up on a trial basis before getting the full 20 buyins. But understanding that there is no room for 5 buy in downswings. It's to ease into the stakes when your confident of success and possibly making the jump quicker. So that's why my attempts without getting carried away. Basically, your not supposed to think of yourself as a 10NL or 20NL player but have ranges depending on BR and experience, which is also supposed to make it easier to move down or stay at a stake when things aren't working at another level. Kind of a Dwarfman Challenge for one stake at one or two tables and see how it goes. But never risking even 1/4 bankroll. It basically letting me play with $40 out of my $200 if I'm not afraid that I can get it back at the previous stakes.It may also allow the lower stakes to become easier to play after tightening up and playing smarter and more concentrated at a higher level.
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    TJ, you don't have an overpair in the first hand - you have 2nd pair! As soon as he calls you need to seriously consider check/folding, I think. When he raises you on the river you have to wonder what the hell he could be raising you with that you beat. The answer is nothing. This is a BIG leak that you don't even recognise this.

    The second hand - draws don't min-raise multiple streets! I would have to re-raise at some point, or check/fold. He is SCREAMING strength, not minor strength (like JJ, say) but multiple minraise strength - you have a good hand but only 2 outs to improve and there is a very obvious hand that has you beat. I just can't see any excuses for how you played it.
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    Sorry your right about hand one. I meant that I didn't figure him for the K but a smaller pair, so I put my hand to an overpair to what he had. Your right on everything, there are no excuses. This is why I picked these hands. I don't know what it is, whether I am not afraid of the cost at the time, or just missing these clues because of multi tables. Both would be a problem that needs fixing. They look very bad when you see them after, but in the middle of the game I just didn't pick up on it the same as when I replay them in PT. I did pick up on one small problem I have is not estimating the value of some of my turn and river bets, making stupid calls sometimes, just in the name of implied odds. (if I hit this I'll stack em) But I'm not looking well enough at the Preflop betting, effective stacks, or position sometimes. For example, In cutoff with Axs and I raise to take out the button after 2 limpers with 100+ stacks. If I catch a flush draw I can bet for value. Not the problem I think. Problem is, prima is hard to reload your chips and sometimes you forget. It won't let you reload during a hand you are in play on, only after a folded hand and the hand is still in play. So I made this call at least twice i remember with 60 or less BB, Not good. Still possibly a good play but not my original intention. Thanks, And I will work on these.
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    If you are multitabling and it's making you play worse, then you need to consider dropping a table. Having said that, you do need to be able to pick up the texture of the board quickly and tbh the simplest thing to do is look at what beats your holding. A king when you have queens is an obvious one, as is 88x when you have kings. That's not to say you are necessarily behind in these hand - mostly you won't be - but it does mean you need to be immediately, instinctively on your guard and are prepared to fold if played back at.
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    Thanks Biondino,
    Quote Originally Posted by trainer_jyms
    I'm going to shoot for "slow and steady and not stack off without the near nuts. Tell everyone at Prima $10NL I'm a folding machine.
    I forgot about writing this. I'm working on it as we speak. Played 2 x $20NL. Last night, to keep focused on the money and play my game. Ended up 1.5 BI's after an hour and a half. Then went and worked on the bathroom for a while. $255 now. Also when I checked the box to not include folded hands in PT, I was a net winner on all, including Non paired hands, over the last 2400 hands. So not playing 1 and 2 pair hands as hard, I may reraise with them once but then I'm folding to aggression on the later streets.

    I added C-bet and folded to C-bet stats on PAHud last night and they really help with the timing of check raises/re-raises on the flop or when to fold after the flop. Right now I have displayed
    VP$P/PFR%/AGG./hands
    WTS%/W$SD%/total$
    CBet%/FoldCBet%
    player Icon, so I can see the table set up quickly, know when it not a good table, and who is on my left for blind steals. The Icons help alot when multitableing 10NL and 20NL because people jump in and out so often, the tables texture can change every orbit.

    Am I missing an important stat? I can click on the player and get alot more info, like aggression per street, check raise on flop/turn/river, fold to bet on flop/turn/river
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    I'M AN IDIOT. I start out flying. getting small pots, decent cards and taking a couple smaller stacks. $26 in 275 hands. Then all hell breaks loose, I can't keep the lead in betting. I'm getting reraised, off TPTK, drawing hands aren't hitting, can't get a set for the life of me. Maybe it was tilt, I don't feel tilt as anger if it was, I was upset and disappointed, a little pissed maybe but not . Maybe just bad play. These hands show my most costly plays during the slide. Here's my take, tell me what's wrong with my thinking and whats the right thinking.


    http://www.pokerhand.org/?564523
    Small blind, great hand. Didn't narrow the field with the preflop betting. I don't know why I didn't raise more, Should have raised to at least a $1, maybe a $1.20. The post flop bet was horrendous. the rest of the hand doesn't matter. Should have taken it down there or at least gotten it all in. Right??

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?564525
    Better preflop raise. Absolutely no idea why I bet so little after the flop when I caught the flop and there was 2 clubs on the board. Should have been happy to take it down there or make him pay huge to chase. No?

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?564526
    In the BB with garbage. Get to see the flop for free. Get the flush draw for $0.40. A on the turn he bets $0.80, I put him on a high pair or slowplay a set, if I catch I own him. I call, hit and the rest is just rediculous. Should this have happened, was I just beat? When do you let this hand go? Do you let this hand go?

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?564532
    Villian had pushed garbage on previous hands. Was playing WPT style. All in with SC, Axs, two broadways. I waited for a hand and thought it was a decent play, Shorty VS AK. Wrong??

    I was playing well, up on monday 30+ and yesterday I was up $25 twice and then it just started bleeding. Never won a hand. Had a $90 downswing. Here's the graph and my position stats, because I think the SB was a huge problem. I know not to complete from the SB with garbage, so what the hell. I'm going to try some more hands tonight and work on those stats alot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms
    http://www.pokerhand.org/?564523
    Small blind, great hand. Didn't narrow the field with the preflop betting. I don't know why I didn't raise more, Should have raised to at least a $1, maybe a $1.20. The post flop bet was horrendous. the rest of the hand doesn't matter. Should have taken it down there or at least gotten it all in. Right??
    This is so fucking bad. You need to raise huge here. Stop playing AA with 4 people in the pot. Make it like $1.40 minimum to go. Bet more on the flop to charge draws. Turn is good. You put out a block on the river and then got raised but still called? Look how many draws came in on the river. Pretty clear fold even though you are calling another $4 into a huge pot.

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?564525
    Better preflop raise. Absolutely no idea why I bet so little after the flop when I caught the flop and there was 2 clubs on the board. Should have been happy to take it down there or make him pay huge to chase. No?
    With a limper out front, you gotta make it $1 to go. You flopped top pair into a sorta coordinated board... bet 3/4 pot at least. Turn is good. On the river you overbet the pot with two pair and 4 to a straight on board. Bet like 3.75-4 and fold to a raise. Yuk.

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?564526
    In the BB with garbage. Get to see the flop for free. Get the flush draw for $0.40. A on the turn he bets $0.80, I put him on a high pair or slowplay a set, if I catch I own him. I call, hit and the rest is just rediculous. Should this have happened, was I just beat? When do you let this hand go? Do you let this hand go?
    When he puts in the 3rd bet on the river, your flush shrinks up a lot. There are no high spades on the board so you gotta figure he has a better flush. I might even find a fold on the turn. It's a pretty small pot and you can't be guaranteed to win unless you catch an 8.

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?564532
    Villian had pushed garbage on previous hands. Was playing WPT style. All in with SC, Axs, two broadways. I waited for a hand and thought it was a decent play, Shorty VS AK. Wrong??
    If you're gonna reraise preflop make it at least $3 to go. Meh.. i don't usually like flipping with idiots like that. I'd rather catch them making mistakes postflop.

    Some pretty easy things to fix here. Pay attention to the board and feel good when you fold AA with 4 to a straight on board and facing resistance. These clowns aren't bluffing as much as you think they are.
    -jay

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    I got one thing to say

    ** Game ID 994921509 starting - 2006-10-19 17:37:29
    ** Dumb Struck [Hold 'em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

    - jsdfires sitting in seat 1 with $18.75
    - ing0lf sitting in seat 2 with $29.59
    - plojj sitting in seat 4 with $21.50
    - biffen111 sitting in seat 5 with $28.62
    - trainerJyms sitting in seat 6 with $19.90 [Dealer]

    jsdfires posted the small blind - $0.10
    ing0lf posted the big blind - $0.20
    biffen111 posted to play - $0.20
    ** Dealing card to trainerJyms: 10 , 10
    plojj folded
    biffen111 checked
    trainerJyms raised - $0.80
    jsdfires folded
    ing0lf folded
    biffen111 called - $0.80

    ** Dealing the flop: 3 , 10 , Queen
    biffen111 bet - $0.90
    trainerJyms raised - $1.80
    biffen111 called - $1.80

    ** Dealing the turn: 7
    biffen111 bet - $2.60
    trainerJyms raised - $5.20
    biffen111 called - $5.20

    ** Dealing the river: Ace
    biffen111 checked
    trainerJyms went all-in - $12.10
    biffen111 called - $12.10
    trainerJyms shows: 10 , 10 (3 of a kind, tens)
    biffen111 shows: Jack , King (a straight, A high)
    biffen111 wins $39.80 from the main pot

    End of game 994921509
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    What's with all the wimpy raising? What are you trying to acheive?

    If you're going to slowplay this then call the flop and raise the turn, but you've got to put in a decent raise. Certainly on the turn as he obviously likes what he's got enough to lead into you.

    It's a line that leads that gets it all-in on the river, but the raises are weak so either your raises are normally too low or you're giving away information here.
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    You voluntarily and willingly put your stack in here while giving him odds to call to the nuts. Why do you need us to tellyou why this was bad?

    Personally - I raise 3 times his flop bet then push the turn.
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    I have been told off on this before.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anosmic
    What's with all the wimpy raising? What are you trying to acheive?
    I know I'm an idiot for this. It's pure and simple lazieness. I don't use any time to do the maths on the raises. If you look at the raise amounts, they are just double his bet. I'm just re raising with the raise button and not hitting the right amounts when raising. I just plain and simple am an idiot at times. I will slow down and start raising 3x or more by actually looking at the board and his bet sizes. I felt so sure that they are chasing that I don't worry about the amounts, when I know I'm giving them odds to chase Nut monsters. I guess you guys are seeing now, why I haven't made it so far, to the level you are at. And yes, so am I.
    Quote Originally Posted by biondino
    You voluntarily and willingly put your stack in here while giving him odds to call to the nuts. Why do you need us to tellyou why this was bad?

    Personally - I raise 3 times his flop bet then push the turn.
    Funny thing is, this is exactly how I played after dropping back to 10nl right after this hand and got it all back. after an hour.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gutshot
    Some pretty easy things to fix here. Pay attention to the board and feel good when you fold AA with 4 to a straight on board and facing resistance. These clowns aren't bluffing as much as you think they are.
    Thanks for your help. Obviously you three guys are helping alot. Thanks again.

    Weekend plans. $180 back up to $300 or more by Sunday night. Guaranteed.
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    Don't set BR goals.... especially for such a short term span such as over the weekend. Just set a hand goal and play to it.
    -jay

    "i think the biggest leak in my game is using 2nd level thinking against players who can't think on the first level." -Renton
  51. #51
    I'm not really, Just trying to set myself in the right mindset. I want to play 4000 hands like last weekend, plus some tourneys. We'll see how it goes. I'm in the middle of re reading a couple of articles I have saved and/or printed. I need to get some obvious lines burned in as habits. I seem to do things that I know are wrong, only to realise it later. When you guys tell me these things, I hear in my head" I know that". So my only explanation is bad habits. I need to make alot of what you said are "Some pretty easy things to fix here" and make them habits. Alot of these mistakes are at the 20NL level, but not at the 10NL level. So I know what to do, I just think it's how I'm doing the numbers. I need to get into the groove of doing the math before I bet. Not just assume I'm betting a large enough amount to not give odds. I also plan on not using the 1/4, 1/2, and full bet buttons. I need to look at the table and see the information available. In that hand last night and many others, I never even looked at my PT stats on some players. I c-bet twice last night into a pre flop raiser who was 15/2 after missing the flop when out of position. I caught it both times on the re-raise before commiting too many chips. I need to get info, use info and only do things after I know why I'm doing them. You know how many times I called from MP preflop with Axs, SC or KQo or less, and only said after clicking "WTF are you doing Jym"i have some bad ingrained habits, and one of them is definitly my raises and how much and why.
  52. #52
    Type in or use the slider bar for every bet you ever make from now on.
  53. #53
    Thanks Warpe. I've put a post it note on my book. I need to get home and see what will be easiest to do. I think I may have gotten lazy because at stars and party I always typed my bet. On prima (riverbelle) the other windows pop up on you in the middle of the action on another window even though I have very little overlap. I've been racking my brain on this and I think that's why i started using all the preselect and bet buttons since moving. I may be able to use the slider without being interfered with but the typing definitly wasn't working.
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    Do you have a standard PF and flop bet? If not, make one (I recommend 5BB + 1BB per limper at $20, pre-flop, and 3/4 pot post-flop, only adjusted upwards in the event of multiple players/draws and downwards in very specific read/monster type situations) - this isn't the time or place to argue the benefits or otherwise but it will literally free a part of your mind to concentrate on trickier decisions.

    If you hit a downswing, or feel you're going on tilt, take a five minute break to work out what's happening. If necessary, stop for longer - you MUSTN'T let your eagerness to play 4k hands get in the way of the correct approach. This kind of major session requires an iron discipline - the moment you feel it wavering, stop.
  55. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms
    Weekend plans. Play as many hands as I can and play them well by Sunday night. Guaranteed.
    fyp

    The only people that can guarantee money from poker are the poker rooms.
  56. #56
    Your right Gimme. I'm just being an ass and I really am only going to gaurentee the 4000 hands.

    Biondino, I have been opening the pot with 4BB and one for every limper, but that's not where my problems have obviously been. My raising and reraising ranges have been too weak, only doubling his initial raise, even though I've been told and have read 3x or more. My post flop has been basically pot sized bets if there is an obvious draw and 1/2 to 3/4 as a std. c-bet with a made hand or not. more often than not I 1/2 pot the flop if I have the draw, even when I've been c-bet into for 1 bet heads up or multi way as a blocking bet. I've been basically 3/4 or potting the turn bets or reraising 2x his bet with no concern for pot size even though I have known in the past that it's wrong. I tend to push made hands on the turn against shorter stacks or if he's got half his stack in.

    funny, 4000 doesn't seem like a major session. If no one was at home and I had no responsibilities to the wife and kid, housework or reno's to do. I could double or triple that over friday night, saturday and sunday.
  57. #57
    So all in all a brutal weekend. Lost $3800. Here's my stats.



    Oh yea, and they stole my car



    Only had the basic coverage on it, since it's my second car. No theft. They wrote it off and stole everything. My baby seat, portable DVD and Nemo video( the kids), My hockey sticks, all my ID, my wifes purse and ID. Who knows what else. Then beat the hell out of it, on a golf course. So I had to pay off the loan that was outstanding.

    But the poker was great. I played on a $20NL FR while 4 tabling 6max $10NL and got a stack of some guy when I checked the BB and caught a FH. I then left the $ 10NL tables and opened 1 $20NL 6 max and played just the $20 for some single table BR building and made another 2 stacks. I then bled off a little playing aggro at guys that had hands so I let them go at the turn. I ended up $55 after only 152 hands and said enough is enough, and took the winnings back to $10NL. Didn't play a hand on Saturday because of the car situation, but got a few in Sunday night after vehicle shopping. I didn't even make my target of 4K hands, but I'll use the excuse of the car for not making my only goal (came close to the $300 goal, ended @ $259 after only getting to 2500 hands, even if Givememyleg and Gutshot won't let me make $$ goals)

    It was a busy weekend so I have no hands to post right now. I will try to post some this week. I think my Pre-flop raises need to be higher. I feel like I'm raising practically everything, but the stats say otherwise, so I will attempt more.
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    Sucks about your car, bro. Sounds like you had a good weekend, aside from your car. As always, post any trouble hands when you get some time and we can give you some advice.

    If anything, we got the "don't set money goals" beat into your skull

    Plz post hand ~2452 from the above graph. Looks hawt!
    -jay

    "i think the biggest leak in my game is using 2nd level thinking against players who can't think on the first level." -Renton
  59. #59
    It was two hands in about 5 minutes.


    ** Game ID 1000549068 starting - 2006-10-23 09:09:34
    ** Sounds Like [Hold 'em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

    - captainnappy sitting in seat 1 with $18.15
    - yOOn sitting in seat 2 with $18.45 [Dealer]
    - trainerJyms sitting in seat 3 with $19.20
    - VIP81 sitting in seat 4 with $25.60
    - ian_tui sitting in seat 5 with $4.95

    trainerJyms posted the small blind - $0.10
    VIP81 posted the big blind - $0.20
    ian_tui posted to play - $0.20
    ** Dealing card to trainerJyms: 8 of Hearts, 8 of Spades
    ian_tui checked
    captainnappy folded
    yOOn folded
    trainerJyms called - $0.20
    VIP81 bet - $1.80
    ian_tui called - $1.80
    trainerJyms called - $1.80

    ** Dealing the flop: 9 of Spades, 2 of Diamonds, 2 of Clubs
    trainerJyms bet - $1.40
    VIP81 raised - $4.20
    ian_tui went all-in - $3.35
    trainerJyms called - $4.20

    ** Dealing the turn: 8 of Clubs
    trainerJyms checked
    VIP81 went all-in - $19.80
    trainerJyms went all-in - $13.30

    ** Dealing the river: 8 of Diamonds
    VIP81 shows: Queen of Hearts, Queen of Clubs
    trainerJyms shows: 8 of Hearts, 8 of Spades
    ian_tui mucks: 4 of Diamonds, 4 of Spades
    trainerJyms wins $15.15 from the main pot
    trainerJyms wins $43.45 from side pot 1

    End of game 1000549068

    ** Game ID 1000551649 starting - 2006-10-23 09:12:16
    ** Numb [Hold 'em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

    - sir_cunning sitting in seat 1 with $31.34
    - Anttihillber sitting in seat 2 with $19.75 [Dealer]
    - Knapu sitting in seat 3 with $33.40
    - trainerJyms sitting in seat 4 with $17.50
    - Shooter5 sitting in seat 5 with $12.81
    - taki1985 sitting in seat 6 with $14.96

    Knapu posted the small blind - $0.10
    trainerJyms posted the big blind - $0.20
    ** Dealing card to trainerJyms: Ace of Diamonds, Ace of Clubs
    Shooter5 called - $0.20
    taki1985 called - $0.20
    sir_cunning folded
    Anttihillber raised - $0.60
    Knapu folded
    trainerJyms raised - $2.60
    Shooter5 called - $2.60
    taki1985 folded
    Anttihillber folded

    ** Dealing the flop: 5 of Diamonds, 10 of Hearts, Jack of Clubs
    trainerJyms bet - $5.80
    Shooter5 called - $5.80

    ** Dealing the turn: 4 of Hearts
    trainerJyms went all-in - $9.30
    Shooter5 went all-in - $4.41

    ** Dealing the river: 9 of Spades
    trainerJyms shows: Ace of Diamonds, Ace of Clubs
    Shooter5 mucks:
    trainerJyms wins $26.22 from the main pot

    End of game 1000551649
  60. #60
    Wow man that really sucks about your car.... Some people really suck.
  61. #61
    Got a new Van today. Chrysler Caravan to be exact. Not new but a 2002 with a 100,000 (60000 miles on it, for you americans) to get by until I get ahead with the money situation.

    Back to poker. I played 1100 hands of $10NL today, and took $44 from the games with little problems. I decided to try 2 tabling $20NL just for some BR building with no rebuying or topping up. ( I basically played with my $40 from the hands today). Had an up and down session, but never less than my starting buy-in. So over the weekend I played 1265 hands of $20NL slightly under rolled. I wasn't too worried about it because I was never risking any money from the days before, only my winnings from the same day. It's sort of my own little Dwarfman Challenge with out moving up past the next level. I am not afraid of playing $20 or $25 because I've been a consistant winner there. I just have never been rolled for it so I never get ahead when moving from site to site chasing bonuses, buying programs (see OP @ the top) and chasing casino bonuses.

    I'm gonna stick with the Riverbelle site till I get thru the $300 bonus, as slow as it is, It's covering the rake at these low limits. I'm @ $350 now and climbing. Here's my stats for the weekend @ 20NL up until tuesday night. A little redundant but still fun to look at.



    The Poker Grapher is just my $20NL adventure for the weekend. I also finally got around to changeing my autorate rules to 6 max and updated everone in the DB. It made a huge difference in my reads. I then went to the 2+2 page to go over my PT stats and everything came back pretty good for the last 5K hands except, preflop raises are not frequent enough, overplaying SC a little, Unsuited connectors(Broadways mostly) are abysmal and my most glaring leak is post flop aggression. The Pre flop raising frequency was easy to fix with a little attention and I started raising to steal the blinds a little more. I found if I just stop calling the marginal hands for one or two bets on the button, it helps alot. It makes me a little tighter but I feel a little better playing less hands. I started raising more often as well as more like you guys have been on me about. I started C-betting at alot more missed flops than before. About 85% now and I also added alot more second barrels. It seems at this level everyone wants to see the turn if they play post flop, then let the hands go. They are only slightly tighter and playing only a few less hands on average, but It actually makes them a littel easier to read.
  62. #62
    just found this. good luck man. looks like you are turning the corner here now that you are finally raising 4bb+1/limper.
    Oldest TerryBlog (the good ole days): http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-40661.htm

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  63. #63
    Have a dilema. I hit the $400 mark last night (that's not it). So i withdrew $200 for now. I have no money on any other site and $200 left at Riverbelle. I want to change sites since it's now been 30+ days and my bonus has timed out. It was $20 every 3500 hands, yes weak but clearable at $10 and $20 tables. If I pull the other $200 to have the full $400 I have no site to play until it clears (any Idea how long?). If I only deposit the $200 somewhere else when it clears, I will lose out on some first deposit bonus money. I need to make the full deposits or wait.

    I need to put the money somewhere and clear a quick easy bonus. While waiting for the other $200 to clear. I have accounts at Sun, empire and a few others that have not been used yet. Going in with the minimum to start may make $25NL a little tough. What's the suggestion. Stay at riverbelle and keep getting the roll to climb and get more into Neteller first. Take the $200 and clear some easy bonuses first, I think empires is easy and I can just stay on the $10Nl tables till it's done.

    Suggestions?? Don't say casino yet. I need a bit of a cushion after my last debacle.

    I do have a list of pretty good bonuses but most are $50NL and higher. The prima $20NL's are doable with $400 but I will be starting with $200 ATM. until I move the rest. maybe keep it separate and move form site to site and catch a few of the easier ones.
  64. #64
    So I 'm thinking Sun. I can get the new deposit $50 for $50, and monthly reload right away $100 for $100 + the Rakeback + more monthies. And making this my home site while whoring others. Since at $25NL I'll be clearing Bonus the whole time I'm there.
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    TJ - in my experience you'll need 2k or so hands (not raked hands) to earn the $50 bonus and double that to earn the monthly reload.

    I love Crypto, as you know - I hope you have rakeback at Sun!
  66. #66
    it was 3500 hands (unraked) for $20-15x at Riverbelle. I cleared $120 in 30 days. I can do 5k hands (4 x 6max) a week give or take. I have the rakeback from here. Is it a good deal? When I have a full $500 that I can get to empire I want to get that done as well. It's a gravy bonus, like party, then split. Will this site be a good home while whoring others and casinos?
  67. #67
    Empires bonus is vey easy to clear, and the 25NL tables are pretty good. But you need 500$ to take full advantage. So I think sun poker is a pretty good choice, I'll join it aswell sometime in next month.
  68. #68
    I've said it before and I'll say it again: Poker Plex. They offer a monthly bonus of $200 and no reload is necessary.

    The reason it's particularly good is because it releases in installments ($20, $30, $50, $100). So you don't have to be able to manage the whole thing. And it's no-deposit.

    You can get 30% rakeback (PM me).
    Blah blah Op Blah blah

    Faith in Jesus Christ is +EV. That is all.
  69. #69
    So last night, playing 4 x $20Nl I'm up about $40 total after 500 or so hands. Get dealt Ac Qc in cutoff. 1 limper, I raise to a $1, original limper calls (55/25/4.5 bomb) both $20 stacks. I figure small PP or AK, Flop is K76 with two clubs, he checks I pot it, he calls again. His AF is 4.5, normally a reraise (hmmm, set?) turn is 3c, Nut flush. I 1/2 pot it like a feeler bet since he seems to thinks he's ahead. He pushes, I pause and look at the board. I've done it before where I've called a push with a paired board and had to reload, but not this time. It's mine. I call. Last card pairs the 6. You guessed it. K6d. FH. I reload, say NH, and before they are dealt again, he's gone. Hit and run.

    Now I know what to do here, keep playing. Get it back, I've been running well, no biggy. WRONG. I go after him, search him out. He's on a $50NL table. NO way is he losing my money to these guys. I shut down all my tables while waiting on the list. I get on right away.
    I know, stop baggering me.
    He's got position though, couple hands later, 33 UTG flop the set, raise he calls, button calls, turn is an A, got him now. He pots it, I push, button calls with small stack, he folds. river good. Trainer_jyms wins the pot $87 dollars. button quits, I quit. got it back just not from him.

    Funny thing though. Didn't feel like tilt. It wasn't even the money. I'de been pushing around some shorties all day. Was just a little tired of the super small stacks taking up space on the table. Guys playing $20 NL with $3.75, $5.50. You know. When i catch the odd set, or flop the straight, they're all that will stay in the pot. Fuckin nickles. sometimes you try to get on a table and when it loads some ass get on ahead of you and you watch him buy in at $5. All I want is 4 tables with 5/6 guys medium to full stacks, and be able to buy in. I open sometimes 8 or 9 tables trying to get on and it takes 20 mins to get them. If you just sit at an empty table, these short stack guys looking to double up come on the table and start playing back at ya with no fear. They just want to double up. I jsut sit out and wait or I slow way down and make them wait and wait. They are always rushed to double up. They get ansy and you take their bus fare and they reload. Fuckin annoyuing little ants. Get the hell off my tables. Why the fuck is the minimum buy in so low. Is there a sound strategy to playing super SS ninja. How can anyone play $.25 blinds with 3 bucks and make money.
  70. #70
    So After withdrawing $300 from Riverbelle to move to another site, and another bonus. I proceeded to have my worst weekend ever in poker. It may be because I was playing $20NL still with only $125 in my account on Prima and hit a downswing. Maybe I was too cautious. Maybe I was Doomswitched for withdrawing. I tend to think the latter. LOL. I've practically busted out on that site. I have about $15 left now. Shit!

    I will definitly post some stats when the weekend is over. I will let ya know what I decided as far as sites go and the plan for November by weekends end. Going to do some homework on it now and I'll get back to it. I need to figure out what to do since I'm now a little short for $25NL. again.
  71. #71
    I decided to go to crypto. No big suprise there. I spent some time researching several sites, after two suggestions, Pokerplex and Sun. They are both great. I decided to start with Sun only because of the extra$100 for FTR members. It'll help since I'm a little short for $25NL and cryptologic hasn't got any stakes lower to play on. I will split my time between these two sites and I think for the next while these will be home. Anything else will just be for whoring.

    Some observations about this network. You can modify the table. I love being able to do this. I delete everything and play on a black background. Makes everything easier to find. The colours on the hud stand out. You see how many have entered the pot without problems. For an old man like me, with bad memory and distractions, It's easier to multitable without all the clutter. I can't tell you how many times I've C-bet into someone 3 way that I didn't see holding cards when I thought I had isolated someone else. The lowest limit is $25NL like I said so all the worst players on the site are on these tables. I would compare the play to any $5NL or $10NL table at Ultimate or Stars. It makes it really swingy playing 6 max. Here's my start.



    Keep in mind, I had no notes on anybody. Some of these stackings are weak ass players going all in with villians Ax vs. my KK. Villians 8 6 vs. my AA that catches 2 pair on the river after all in post flop when the villian has TP. Now mind you, as you can see, I don't mind that at all. I get it back. It's just the up and downs are scary when you only have a limited roll.

    Quick story, I may be wrong on a detail or two but this is the jist of the story. I was 6 tabling at the time so I miss some details once in a while. I get KK on or near the button. Raise to $1.25. Some super aggro with 3x buyins reraises to $5. I call. Flop Axx, He leads out with about $9 and I call. I figure he's either bluffing badly or I'm way behind. But he reraised post flop a few times before this and I folded out so it's as good a hand as any to take a stand against this guy who's obviously bullying the table. If for anything else, I can get my money back later since he's not leaving with anyones money and he will think twice about reraising if he thinks I will call him on it. Anyway he checks the turn when Q falls, I bet $10 trying to get it all in. He pushes. I call. He's holding 8T off. WTF! $50 slides back to me and he goes ape.

    Why you calling those bets with KK?
    There is an A on board and you called???
    You suck.
    Do you even know how to play?
    I knew what you had and I represented an A.
    How can you call that?

    I love guys that think, you suck cause you should have folded to my obviously paired Ace. Or not.

    Well I have $3 over my $200 deposit, I have $350 in playable bonus and money, and am also currently working of the FTR $100 extra bonus, that requires 1500 MPP's. The first deposit bonus and the FTR 100 are clearing at the same time. I also have already earned $11 in rakeback. ,WEEE. Heading to poker plex right after these clear and then back again. If I can break even at Sun I will have $450 plus rakeback. Sounds doable. thanks again Biondino and Anosmic for the site suggestions and PM's. Already have 144 MPP's after 2 days and 1200 hands. A much easier bonus to clear than Riverbelles.

    Just noticed, Page 2, woohoo.

    Maybe review time. ??
  72. #72
    Where is this $350 bonus money at?
  73. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms
    I decided to go to Crypto. No big suprise there. I spent some time researching several sites, after two suggestions, PokerPlex and Sun. They are both great. I decided to start with Sun only because of the extra$100 for FTR members. It'll help since I'm a little short for $25NL and CryptoLogic hasn't got any stakes lower to play on. I will split my time between these two sites and I think for the next while these will be home.
    My mistake, It's not a playabale bonus. Wrong wording. They add $100 monthly plus $50 sign up to your balance at Sun. It's in my balance but not my withdrawl amounts. Plus another $100 for using FTR's link but that doesn't show in my balance till it clears. I haven't tried to take it all to the tables but it's there. All on $150 deposit. I put in $200 but that's because I've split my roll to put the other half in Poker Plex. I may be wrong but did I not say where I deposited and am playing now?
  74. #74
    Here's the hand from yesterday that the guy freaked out about. My memory is shit. I was in the BB but the rest applies.

    Cryptologic
    No Limit Holdem Ring game
    Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
    5 players
    Converter

    Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with 5 5
    Hero calls, CO raises to $1, 3 folds, Hero calls.

    Flop: 8 5 J ($2.4, 2 players)
    Hero bets $1.5, CO raises to $6, Hero raises all-in $25.2, CO calls.

    Turn: 7 ($52.8, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $52.8)


    River: 2 ($52.8, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $52.8)


    Results:
    Final pot: $52.8
    Hero shows 5d 5c
    CO shows Jh 8d

    I'll tell ya, it gets real confusing what to do with some of these hands. I'm all over the map with my play and sometimes, admittedly, I'm guessing at what they are holding. Here's my evening on my second attempt at Crypto. You want to talk about $100 dollar days??? this is 2 1/2 hours. What a battle back.



    Couple hands from the down slide.

    Saw Villian push a set after being raised on the flop so thought I was good here.
    Cryptologic
    No Limit Holdem Ring game
    Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
    6 players
    Converter

    Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with K A
    UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1, 3 folds, Hero calls.

    Flop: K T 5 ($2.15, 2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $1, Hero raises to $3, UTG+1 calls.

    Turn: 3 ($8.15, 2 players)
    Hero bets $3, UTG+1 calls.

    River: 6 ($14.15, 2 players)
    Hero bets $2.75, UTG+1 raises to $8, Hero calls.

    Results:
    Final pot: $30.15
    UTG+1 shows Kc Td
    Hero mucks Kh Ah


    This just sucks. Had one right as AK but the other I figured missed flush draw not a straight draw.

    Cryptologic
    No Limit Holdem Ring game
    Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
    5 players
    Converter

    Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with 4 4
    UTG folds, Hero calls, Button raises to $1.25, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

    Flop: 3 5 9 ($4, 3 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $3.5, SB calls, Hero raises to $10.5, Button calls all-in $3.83, SB calls.

    Turn: 6 ($32.33, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $25.99, Sidepot 1: $6.34)
    SB is all-in $1.47, Hero calls.

    River: 8 ($35.27, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $25.99, Sidepot 1: $9.28)


    Results:
    Final pot: $35.27
    SB shows 6c 7d
    Hero shows 4h 4d
    Button shows Kh Ad

    And the last bad beat, worst beat of all. Villian had been playing Suited crap for draws and big pots. I just didn't wait for the right spot. tried to extract the money instead of letting him lose it to me. Just greedy.

    Cryptologic
    No Limit Holdem Ring game
    Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
    4 players
    Converter

    Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with 9 T
    UTG folds, Hero calls, SB raises to $0.75, BB folds, Hero calls.

    Flop: T 6 7 ($1.75, 2 players)
    SB bets $1.5, Hero raises to $3, SB raises to $6, Hero calls.

    Turn: 3 ($13.75, 2 players)
    SB bets $5.5, Hero raises all-in $19.35, SB calls.

    River: 7 ($52.45, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $52.45)


    Results:
    Final pot: $52.45
    Hero shows 9h Tc
    SB shows Kh Kc

    I'm sure your tired of hand histories but just for a chance to show a winner.

    Cryptologic
    No Limit Holdem Ring game
    Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
    6 players
    Converter

    Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with Q Q
    UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO raises to $2, Hero raises to $4, 3 folds, CO calls.

    Flop: J 7 9 ($8.65, 2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $7, CO calls.

    Turn: A ($22.65, 2 players)
    CO is all-in $13.6, Hero calls.

    River: 4 ($49.85, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $49.85)


    Results:
    Final pot: $49.85
    CO shows 3s 3h
    Hero shows Qd Qc
  75. #75
    http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/3760/boomde9.jpg

    I took the image out it was too large but left the link

    Seriously, How's the setup. would anybody be able to suggest anything else that's necassary?

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