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    Default back for more and i'm still starving

    so yesterday i met my move-up target for 10nl at 23BI finally after 27k hands of 5nl, the last 16K of which have been pretty frustrating with lots of cold decks and tilt but yesterday made up for it somehow, landing on a massive heater to make a 9BI upward move, taking me to my target for 10nl.

    everybody loves graphs so here ya go:


    caption: first 11k eugmac wings it and runs like god, next 14k eugmac studies a bit, has a few mini poker revelations and plays better in theory, and breaks even...

    i should probably sum up some very key things i've learnt chatting with people like m2m, yaawn and spoon in #flopturnriver.

    - in spots where say i'm say stealing the blinds from nits on the button with just about any two when it's folded to me, when they do continue, it's with a very strong range. my profits are being made from them folding way too much preflop, so the few times my steal doesn't work, there's no need to spew postflop.

    - similar situations with people who fold too much to 3bets. when they call your 3bet bluff, stawwwwp cbetting so much with a much weaker range than your opponent.

    - planning better for the postflop. learning that before every preflop decision to raise, call, fold, i have to consider how the next 3 streets are going to play out.

    anyway i better get on with my day now but i'll elaborate on this in the course of time. tonight: live pokers!
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    GL keep it up!

    Yes those are key points. The overall message from those points is pretty much learning to recognize WHERE you're money is coming from in every situation. In some spots it will be from ppl folding too much to steals or 3bets preflop. In other situations it will be people calling barrels but folding too many rivers, etc etc.

    If you really think about these things, you'll start having more focused gameplans vs specific villains.

    I'm a culprit of the cbet too much in 3b pots though. Even vs high 3b folders I find it hard not to cbet sometimes.
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  3. #3
    Thanks Griffey.

    Up a mere 19 BB after 5.5 hours of 1-1 live. Pretty card dead and standard live action of raising it up with KQ to 7BB and being getting 3-4 callers and whiffing flops and c/folding lots. On the plus side, I was at a different casino last night and was pleasantly surprised to find out that they have a much better rake structure than my other game and even at 1-1 games you get 2-5 regs coming in smacking down 500+ BB on the table (no max buyin) so the action is quite good, but I imagine I have to be prepared to deal with much bigger swings in this game. I had exactly one heads up pot where I raised in position and took it down with a cbet.

    My live reads are getting pretty sharp too, many players give off pretty strong tells particularly with big hands. The *sigh* sad sounding "check",uncontrolled shaking hands when betting, etc etc. Of course these are all just mostly confirmation of their transparent betting lines...
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    must log failure to prevent denial that it happened.

    down 3 buyins, some of it is getting KK vs AA and whatnot but thusfar I haven't been able to snap off the crazy 3-barrel bluff that I'm hoping to see when i'm callign with TPTK. i'm a station, i should stop thinking everybody is bluffing all the time. that is all.

    BR at $200, lose 2 more BI and I'll have to move back down....
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    Just keep thinking about each villain and how you make money from each of them. I struggled at first when I went from 5nl to 10nl but it's pretty much the same game, maybe more nits but still fishy enough. I also found it takes a while before 3 buyins stops feeling like 6, but dropping 15 bucks before wouldn't bother you too much so keep reminding yourself that it's 3 buyins, not $30, iykwim.
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    TPTK situations suck because we tend to over value our hand lose sight of villains range. I know I'm guilty of snap calling the flop with these hands without even thinking of villains range (at least not truly formulating one) and after that it's like snap call turn snap call river cuz I must have enough equity right? If you think about it though most villains aren't gonna have enough bluffs in there range vs their value hands to make these calls profitably, so it comes down to what they're capable of stacking of with that they consider value. If villain only has 2p and better + some bluffs we're rarely gonna be good. If there's a busted draw and villain will bluff a lot when he misses then we're better off. And if villain thinks bottom pair is the shit then obv we can get in with a shit eating grin cuz we ldo crush his range.

    So yeah, if villain only has hands that beat us and bluffs we're probably not ahead. I know this isn't anything epiphanic but sometimes I need to be reminded of this shit.
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    another live session, up 90bb. There was one 3bet pot vs a reg that I think was spewy, and I barrelled vs a straightforward nitty guy which was probably a lapse in judgment (whatever he was calling the flop with, he wasn't folding on the blankish turn). At least I restrained myself from firing the 3rd barrel into his AQ top two pair.

    Apart from that there was a one huge pot where I had KJdd in the SB, flop the second nuts with the OESFD (8d 9d Td), limped pot, so I bet out 4 into a 5bb pot or so, get raised, re-raised, i shove, they both call and turn over 62dd and 6h7d. so everybody had everybody's straight flush outs and were drawing dead lol. The 67o guy was a friend of mine, a big fish and just plays for fun - he might be catching on though that one can actually learn how to play decently and I like him so i thought i might recommend him some literature.

    on the online end, it's move back down time as i've crossed the 18bi threshold. Apart from the first couple sessions where there was certainly some spewing happening, I saw a good deal of set over sets and so on. I was actually starting to feel totally at home playing at 10nl, so, shame i'll have to wait a bit to continue there.

    i should probably just study this week and not play at all. maybe do some session reviews? since I've never done one, can somebody give me pointers? should i just review a session, pick out potential problem hands, and analyze them in detail, posting them up here?
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    haven't posted in ages. haven't played poker in ages either. have some auditions coming up, and concentrating on those seems the most +ev by far. oh and i've been playing werewolf.
  9. #9
    Good luck eug, show them your banana moves!!
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    fuckkkkkkkkk
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    I don't remember why I posted that in my last post.

    I got married. Yay. I'm unemployed. Boo. I haven't played or studied poker in ages. Boo. Well not entirely true, I played some live 1-1 yesterday for the first time in a while. Table was the usual deal, tons of multiway pots and then fit-fold poker postflop. I think I should sit down and figure out what the optimal preflop strategy would be in these spots.
  12. #12
    Congrats on the wedding!

    I got married two months ago... it feels pretty much the same
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    I would suggest that my wife and I feel a stronger sense of belonging with one another, or togetherness or whatever. It might just be the honeymoon phase speaking, but I feel a touch more responsible for my own actions because now I'm batting for a team of (at least) 2, for the rest of my life. Technically we lived together before already and we already were a team, but getting married hits the concept a bit deeper into one's consciousness.
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    That's good that you feel that. I suppose I get that stronger sense of togetherness too, but yah I agree if we hadn't lived with each other first it would have felt waay different!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks

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