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    Default $20 -> $1000

    The plan is to donk around playing zoom until I turn $20 into $1000 and by this time be beating 25NL zoom on pokerstars.

    Move up with 10BI, move back down when if I drop to 10BI for the stake below.

    Any rakeback/rewards will be kept separate/withdrawn from my roll.

    Start date - 21/07/18
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    Didn't really play all that much since starting this, although I have ran really well over my tiny volume. Should put in at least 20k hands this week.




    Turns out in some stars reward chests you can win minute amounts of actual cash which I cba working out and will just be part of my roll.

    Roll - $26.30
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    Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Converted at http://handhistoryconverter.com

    Button ($2.22)
    SB ($2.20)
    Hero (BB) ($3.38)
    UTG ($3.37)
    MP ($1.20)
    CO ($2)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 10
    3 folds, Button raises $0.05, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.03

    Flop: ($0.11) 4, 10, 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $0.07, Hero calls $0.07

    Turn: ($0.25) 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $0.18, Hero raises $0.60, Button raises $1.92 (All-In), Hero calls $1.50

    River: ($4.45) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $4.45

    Not sure about this. Think defending this is marginal at best think the rest of the hand is probably ok.
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    Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Converted at http://www.handhistoryconverter.com

    Button ($2)
    SB ($3.14)
    Hero (BB) ($4.25)
    UTG ($3.71)
    MP ($6.54)
    CO ($9)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 2, A
    1 fold, MP raises $0.04, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.02

    Flop: ($0.09) 9, A, A (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP checks

    Turn: ($0.09) 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.06, MP calls $0.06

    River: ($0.21) 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets $4.15 (All-In), MP calls $4.15

    Total pot: $8.51

    Results:
    Spoiler:

    Hero had 2, A (full house, Aces over twos).
    MP had 4, 4 (full house, fours over Aces).
    Outcome: Hero won $8.21


    Thought on this? Obviously I'm super lucky to run into a hand he's never folding but I think people convince themselves to call with a diamond enough that this is good way of getting money into the pot. I don't see villain playing all that much Ax this way so I'm not too bothered about folding out that part of his range.
    Last edited by Savy; 07-22-2018 at 08:31 PM.
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    Two handed I think I can bet the flop for value when villain checks the flop at 2nl, 3 handed I think this is the only thing to do. Turn I'd usually just raise but the bet is so weak I don't want to push him off any hands and the blind can come along too. River I didn't like calling but villain must do this with enough Kx that it makes up for the times he has a better full house/quads.

    Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Converted at http://handhistoryconverter.com

    Button ($3.63)
    SB ($2.47)
    BB ($2.49)
    UTG ($5.76)
    MP ($3.05)
    Hero (CO) ($2.50)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 9, 9
    1 fold, MP raises $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, 2 folds, BB calls $0.06

    Flop: ($0.25) K, K, 6 (3 players)
    BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($0.25) 9 (3 players)
    BB checks, MP bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, 1 fold

    River: ($0.41) A (2 players)
    MP bets $0.26, Hero raises $0.90, MP raises $2.63 (All-In), Hero calls $1.44 (All-In)

    Total pot: $5.09

    Results:
    Spoiler:

    MP had A, A (full house, Aces over Kings).
    Hero had 9, 9 (full house, nines over Kings).
    Outcome: MP won $5.46
    Last edited by Savy; 07-22-2018 at 10:16 PM.
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    8To seems too weak to defend out of position. I'd like...something.
    Flop good. Turn...I lean to check/call (I'm assuming a large part of his range is bluffs). To me the interesting part is calling his 3bet on the turn. Do you have any kind of read here? I kind of feel like having raised turn this is a call, because of the chances he thinks you're just playing back.
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    A2s. I like this. I'm really rusty, but I can't imagine there's a large gap between hands he'd call a small river bet and those he'd call a large river bet with. I was really expecting more like a mid flush or something that he just couldn't get away from.
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    99, I'm kind of lost. I feel like to make this call you need to have AK, KQ, KJ type hands in his range, but then he doesn't bet that flop 3-way, which kind of makes 66 trapping the only hand you beat. I guess you run some ranges and see how you feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjsaust View Post
    8To seems too weak to defend out of position. I'd like...something.
    Flop good. Turn...I lean to check/call (I'm assuming a large part of his range is bluffs). To me the interesting part is calling his 3bet on the turn. Do you have any kind of read here? I kind of feel like having raised turn this is a call, because of the chances he thinks you're just playing back.
    No reads, I did copy with stats but the converter must remove them. 10 hands on him from zoom tables with nothing of any real note. I obviously considered calling but it's unlikely villains fold their drawing hands, TP, overpair type stuff after betting it two streets. When he shoves I'm not exactly miles ahead but villain will have enough here for it to be a profitable call.

    Quote Originally Posted by bjsaust View Post
    99, I'm kind of lost. I feel like to make this call you need to have AK, KQ, KJ type hands in his range, but then he doesn't bet that flop 3-way, which kind of makes 66 trapping the only hand you beat. I guess you run some ranges and see how you feel.
    Yeah it's probably not very good.
    Last edited by Savy; 07-23-2018 at 01:03 AM.
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    So poker is really easy when you run good.




    Moving up to 5nlz as br is at $50.13
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    Nearly folded this

    Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Converted at http://www.handhistoryconverter.com/

    Button ($2)
    Hero (SB) ($2.06)
    BB ($0.02)
    UTG ($2.13)
    MP ($2.23)
    CO ($2.03)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 8
    4 folds, Hero calls $0.01

    Flop: ($0.04) 8, J, K (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Turn: ($0.04) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($0.04) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $0.04
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    99 - definitely betting the flop for value. lots of 6x, underpairs and bad floats with A high. His turn bet looks like a block, so I'd make it something gay like 24c. idk about river. I would probably call, but I think it's a mistake. Sometimes they will show up with AQ or something completely retarded like that, but overall I think this is a fold, especially given the nature of this game.

    You cannot go broke folding too much to river raises.
    Last edited by oskar; 07-23-2018 at 05:31 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    99 - definitely betting the flop for value. lots of 6x, underpairs and bad floats with A high. His turn bet looks like a block, so I'd make it something gay like 24c. idk about river. I would probably call, but I think it's a mistake. Sometimes they will show up with AQ or something completely retarded like that, but overall I think this is a fold, especially given the nature of this game.

    You cannot go broke folding too much to river raises.
    Yeah especially at 5 and 10 unless villain is doing weird things no one is bluffing anywhere near enough in most spots to make big calls. I've actually quite enjoyed moving some hands I'd have always 3bet into my flatting range and outplaying people post flop. Probably loses it's value the more I move up but still.

    I decided not to play anymore today, treated myself to a bottle of whiskey and I'm just watching shit. Will put in a few more thousand hands tomorrow and see how things go.
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    HM2 has classified me as loose passive
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    Just put in some more time playing 5nlz and lost like 5BI so back down to 2nl. Made some bad calls and ran a couple of buy-ins below EV. Stars chest seemed to reward me though, $3 and 240ish coins. Not bad.
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    So you got me motivated. I put $100 on Americas Card Room and started playing some 2nl to get back into things. Immediately went about 4 buyins down. So I don't think I'll be giving a lot of feedback on your hands until I turn my own game around . Bringing it back, mostly just put myself in positions I didn't need to be in which cost me.
    No HUD. Been trying to setup DriveHUD but it's getting an installation error. Pretty sure I'm being way too passive, using 'I wouldn't mind seeing a flop with this, lets call' as an excuse not to 3-bet enough, then making awkward hands either OOP or multi-way.
    Just dipping my toes back in.
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    Looking forward to splashing around with you in the Zoom pool. I normally only get in there late when I’m down to just a couple of tournaments, but standard has reduced since all the rakeback obsessives moved to party and stars have been drawing in more nationalities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    Just put in some more time playing 5nlz and lost like 5BI so back down to 2nl. Made some bad calls and ran a couple of buy-ins below EV. Stars chest seemed to reward me though, $3 and 240ish coins. Not bad.
    Interesting to see how they’re algorithm works for the chests. I’d have to pay at least $135 rake to get the same as you. If I lose 5BI, there’s nothing better than to open a chest worth 27c - I doubt I’m in profit on stars this year either.
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    T8 - too loose without antes and a big skill differential.

    A2 - I probably just lead flop. No regs will believe you or be able to exploit you.

    99 - bet flop to deny overcard equity and for value against lower pairs. Shutting down if called unless bink. As played on turn, this is a slam dunk raise for value against Kx, 66 and some of the higher pocket pairs. You’re limiting your ability to get paid by trying to be fancy. You could even mix in some gut shots as bluffs.
    Last edited by The Bean Counter; 07-25-2018 at 04:23 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bean Counter View Post
    T8 - too loose without antes and a big skill differential.

    A2 - I probably just lead flop. No regs will believe you or be able to exploit you.

    99 - bet flop to deny overcard equity and for value against lower pairs. Shutting down if called unless bink. As played on turn, this is a slam dunk raise for value against Kx, 66 and some of the higher pocket pairs. You’re limiting your ability to get paid by trying to be fancy. You could even mix in some gut shots as bluffs.
    I'm the best 2nl zoom player of all time, huge differential.

    Yeah I've not been betting wide enough with strong enough hands to do so I'm working on it. I basically just need to click fold more because villains literally always have it unless they're the type of player who has anything.

    It's so nice playing against really basic regs who have followed a tiny bit of strat and are so easily exploitable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bean Counter View Post
    Interesting to see how they’re algorithm works for the chests. I’d have to pay at least $135 rake to get the same as you. If I lose 5BI, there’s nothing better than to open a chest worth 27c - I doubt I’m in profit on stars this year either.
    What stakes zoom are you playing these days?

    Also it was the 3rd of my 3rd level chests which I took like 5 days to get. So maybe had something to do with that? The probabilities of the chests are posted online though so I think they have to be pretty strict about it what they do change is how many points you need for the same type of chest. All you need to know is that unless you get really lucky the rake-back absolutely sucks at every level.

    Also apparently (I read it on forums not checked) a good use of stars points is to do the jackpot thing, one spin every 12 hours if the jackpot is above some amount, I think 30k?, because when it hits 50% gets split between everyone who played in the last 12 hours regardless of whether you played once or 1000 times.
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    I can't say I'm a big fan of this new straight up gambling mixed with poker for rewards I'm seeing. On ACR, every time I close the table it tells me how much I'm either up or down, then offers to flip to double or nothing. I guess some people enjoy it, but I didn't sit down and concentrate on trying to play good poker for x amount of time to close it out by flipping a coin for my results. Loot boxes for your rewards sounds terrible.

    Hope things are going well. I turned things around pretty quickly and about 9 buyins up over just under 1k hands, but running well above EV (mostly just hands holding up really). I'm only 2 tabling and trying to relearn poker slowly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjsaust View Post
    I can't say I'm a big fan of this new straight up gambling mixed with poker for rewards I'm seeing. On ACR, every time I close the table it tells me how much I'm either up or down, then offers to flip to double or nothing. I guess some people enjoy it, but I didn't sit down and concentrate on trying to play good poker for x amount of time to close it out by flipping a coin for my results. Loot boxes for your rewards sounds terrible.

    Hope things are going well. I turned things around pretty quickly and about 9 buyins up over just under 1k hands, but running well above EV (mostly just hands holding up really). I'm only 2 tabling and trying to relearn poker slowly.
    Yeah it sucks but seemingly is good for the player base. What rec wants to know they can earn 20% of the rake back if they play x amount when instead you can seemingly get chances to win huge money just playing poker!

    Since I started playing again

    2nlz, +$46.04 over 26k hands (EV +$25.59)
    5nlz, +$3.16 over 12k hands (EV -$15.58)

    Since this blog started

    2nlz, +$40.88 over 14k hands (EV +$29.37)
    5nlz, -$29.39 over 3k hands (EV -$32.46)

    So basically I pissed a load of money away with my 5nlz shot since I started this challenge even though I was beating it prior which was through a lot of awful play in those 3k hands so it's deserved.

    Roll is sitting at $38.43 and I'll probably start mixing in a table of 5nl at around $40.

    It's quite funny to me that I'm running so much above EV (although fairly meh in spots) when the money is irrelevant to me but when I played years ago and it did matter I ran hundreds of dollars below EV at 10nl and below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    So basically I pissed a load of money away with my 5nlz shot since I started this challenge even though I was beating it prior which was through a lot of awful play in those 3k hands so it's deserved.
    So, bad play...were you trying to mix things up? Overthinking spots? Just off your game? Tilting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjsaust View Post
    So, bad play...were you trying to mix things up? Overthinking spots? Just off your game? Tilting?
    I made some calls which are "good calls" if villain is ever bluffing but villains are never bluffing in these spots at 5nlz unless they are obviously bluffing far too much all the time etc. Then just some slight tilt-overvaluing hands I imagine nothing ridiculously spewy but if you run into a few of those spots it adds up.

    Here is an example.

    Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Converted at http://www.handhistoryconverter.com

    Button ($14.79) Weaker passive player calling too wide etc, not betting enough
    Hero (SB) ($5.41)
    BB ($10.75)
    UTG ($12.95) Aggo fish
    MP ($4.93) Unknown
    CO ($5.69)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, J
    UTG raises $0.15, MP calls $0.15, 1 fold, Button calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.13, 1 fold

    Flop: ($0.65) J, Q, 3 (4 players)
    Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets $0.62, 1 fold, Hero raises $5.26 (All-In), 1 fold, MP calls $4.16 (All-In)

    Turn: ($10.21) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: ($10.21) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: $10.21

    Results:
    Spoiler:

    Hero had Q, J (two pair, Queens and Jacks).
    MP had Q, Q (three of a kind, Queens).
    Outcome: MP won $9.79


    It's pretty annoying to run into one combo but at the same time when villain does this he's very strong and shoving just gives him the chance to fold anything he may be doing this with like AQ, KQ and he probably doesn't play those hands this way that often. I mean I'm losing money in this spot anyway but it's losing money playing poorly.
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    I dunno, I don't hate that one. The flop bet size from him is weirdly high, but his betting range in general on that flop has so many hands you're ahead of, and the flop is so wet...I'm not sure the flop shove is optimal, but I think expecting him to fold AQ and KQ is going too far. The real question is how many QT, 9T, suited spades/etc you pushed out. On the other hand, you make it $2 and he only has $2.14 behind. I dunno, what do you think you should have done? Smaller raise to like $1.50?

    I guess the other question is, if you do play QJ this way, what other hands are in your range to shove over flop bet? What hands do you expect him to call with when you do? What hands does he bet with that he folds now?
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    I have relative position so calling and getting the UTG to come along isn't doing me any harm especially as he's not very good. The only other strong hand I have on this flop is 33 as I raise QQ, JJ, AQ, KQ, AJ, KJs most likely and I'd only ever really do something like this with 33.
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    Yeah. I walked away and thought a flat was good. We have some scary turns and rivers, but likewise we look like we're chasing, so if draws don't come in we can win $ when he calls what looks like a bluff.
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    Here is a hand that I think I played well. Thoughts? Particularly on bet sizing to extract the most value possible.

    At the time of the hand villain looked like a very tight reg was like 8/5 but HM2 only shows me all the hands I have on them now and he's 15/10 over 21 hands.

    $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
    6 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter

    Stacks:
    UTG ($109.2BB) 109bb
    UTG+1 ($100BB) 100bb
    CO ($108.6BB) 109bb
    BTN ($223.6BB) 224bb
    SB ($98.2BB) 98bb
    BB Hero ($182BB) 182bb

    Pre-Flop: (1.4BB, 6 players) Hero is BB
    UTG raises to 3BB, 4 folds, Hero calls 2BB
    Flop: ($6.4BB, 2 players)

    Hero checks, UTG checks

    Turn: ($6.4BB, 2)
    Hero bets 2.8BB, UTG calls 2.8BB
    River: ($12BB, 2)

    Hero bets 10BB, UTG calls 10BB

    Pre I think flatting is the only thing to do against someone who is shaping up to be so tight. The one street I think I may have misplayed here is the flop I think against a tight range villain is probably betting this board enough and the plan was to x/r but maybe there is value in donking if villain is more passive (nowhere near enough of a sample on villain).

    Turn I'm thinking that villains range is now mostly just overcards some PP. Some % of his face hh cards get there but I'd expect most villains to be betting these hands on the flop. Here I am looking to keep villains ranges as wide as possible hence the smaller sizing and I think villain is capable of calling. The plan is to obviously call any raises but then to be cautious on the river.

    River this ace hits villains range really hard and I think bet/fold here is good when I opt for a big sizing. If I don't think villain is folding his strong Ax here (i.e. most of his range) is there value in an overbet/fold?
    Last edited by Savy; 07-29-2018 at 09:59 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    It's so nice playing against really basic regs who have followed a tiny bit of strat and are so easily exploitable.
    Hi!

    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    What stakes zoom are you playing these days?
    10nl or 25nl usually, when tournaments are winding down and I fancy playing deep. I've essentially given up playing cash this past year in favour of tournaments - I'm basically breakeven at cash before rakeback and after you factor in my tilt issues. Rakeback is no longer a thing so cash isn't a good use of time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    Also it was the 3rd of my 3rd level chests which I took like 5 days to get. So maybe had something to do with that? The probabilities of the chests are posted online though so I think they have to be pretty strict about it what they do change is how many points you need for the same type of chest. All you need to know is that unless you get really lucky the rake-back absolutely sucks at every level.

    Also apparently (I read it on forums not checked) a good use of stars points is to do the jackpot thing, one spin every 12 hours if the jackpot is above some amount, I think 30k?, because when it hits 50% gets split between everyone who played in the last 12 hours regardless of whether you played once or 1000 times.
    I opened four bronze boxes today after paying $30 of rake and received 7c, 7c, 12c and 14c. Thanks, will take a look at the jackpot thing - might be something in that.
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    JJ - pre and flop is fine. I don't worry about balance here on the turn, so lead bigger for value and size my semi-bluffs smaller. River fine too. I don't like giving a nit the option to fold top pair or two pair by overbetting. You don't need to worry about bet folding - you're never, ever behind given flop check back.
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    Yeah, much the same. I would not bet/fold river, and I would bet turn more standard type sizing, but overall the planning of the hand seems fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bean Counter View Post
    Hi!
    I mean regs who do things like fold to bets after they don't c-bet 95%+ not regs who are better at poker than me.

    The bet/fold river thing is because if villain shoves he 100% has a flush and it's much more likely villain plays a flush draws wrong on earlier streets than does this with bluffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bean Counter View Post
    I opened four bronze boxes today after paying $30 of rake and received 7c, 7c, 12c and 14c. Thanks, will take a look at the jackpot thing - might be something in that.
    Are you sure they were bronze? Look much more like red boxes.

    https://www.pokerstars.com/help/arti...ue-com/103244/

    Regardless the rakeback is awful period. $30 is 3000 points which is like 2-3 bronze chests which have an EV of $0.83. Even if it was $1 that's <10%. $30 is pretty easy to rake in a week playing 10/25nlz. Which explains why people moved to party (I think?) because you get 25% as long as you rake $20 or more in a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    The bet/fold river thing is because if villain shoves he 100% has a flush and it's much more likely villain plays a flush draws wrong on earlier streets than does this with bluffs.
    I don't think you can go far wrong assuming every poker player at micros loves semi-bluffing flush draws. I would expect pretty much 100% of UTG PF raisers to c-bet their flush draws on that flop.
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    Didn't play any poker yesterday although I looked at a few hands on 2+2. For some reason I was so tired and slept a tonne. Plan today is to do some reading and probably 4 table some normal tables later on in the evening.
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    I don't want to needle you too much about the QJ, I know you realize it's horrendous, but l think there's a chance that if you ask yourself if and why you would play AQ differently you would see why it's even worse than you thought.
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    0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
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    Stacks:
    UTG Player4 ($123.8BB) 124bb
    UTG+1 Player5 ($204BB) 204bb
    CO Player6 ($330BB) 330bb
    BTN Hero ($109BB) 109bb
    SB Player2 ($254.6BB) 255bb
    BB Player3 ($112.6BB) 113bb

    Pre-Flop: (1.4BB, 6 players) Hero is BTN 7 7
    Player4 raises to 2.4BB, 2 folds, Hero calls 2.4BB, 2 folds
    Flop: 7 10 10 ($6.2BB, 2 players)

    Player4 bets 3BB, Hero calls 3BB

    Turn: K ($12.2BB, 2)
    Player4 bets 8BB, Hero raises to 30BB, Player4 folds
    Final Pot: $50.2BB

    Hero wins $71BB (net +$35.6BB)

    Player4 lost $13.4BB

    Is there really any reason for me to be raising before the river? The king hits villains range pretty well so when he bets he's going to be reasonably strong but will be scared of Tx (which I probably don't have any of except TT). Villain will almost never have a 7 here and only really some combos of AT, KT of which KT beats me. All I'm doing here is folding out hands that may bluff the river or hands that hit and pay me off such as flushes.
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    $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
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    Stacks:
    UTG Hero ($107.4BB) 107bb
    UTG+1 Player5 ($101BB) 101bb
    CO Player6 ($362.6BB) 363bb
    BTN Player1 ($147BB) 147bb
    SB Player2 ($100.4BB) 100bb
    BB Player3 ($212.6BB) 213bb

    Pre-Flop: (1.4BB, 6 players) Hero is UTG K K
    Hero raises to 3BB, 4 folds, Player3 raises to 10BB, Hero calls 7BB
    Flop: 5 10 J ($20.4BB, 2 players)

    Player3 bets 11.6BB, Hero calls 11.6BB

    Turn: K ($43.6BB, 2)
    Player3 bets 30BB, Hero goes all-in 85.8BB, Player3 calls 55.8BB River: 10 ($215.2BB, 2), 1 all-in

    Final Pot: $215.2BB
    Player3 shows
    Q A
    Hero shows
    K K

    Hero wins $206.2BB (net +$98.8BB)

    Player3 lost $107.4BB

    lol I cba today, going to get drunk instead of putting in any volume.
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    77: I think the turn raise is fine with a lot of potential draws out there. If turn is Kh, I could see an argument for calling.

    KK: any particular reason why you don't 4b? Turn jam makes no sense. Same as with the QJ hand: you don't seem to take blockers into account.
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  41. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    77: I think the turn raise is fine with a lot of potential draws out there. If turn is Kh, I could see an argument for calling.

    KK: any particular reason why you don't 4b? Turn jam makes no sense. Same as with the QJ hand: you don't seem to take blockers into account.
    77 - I laid out my argument for calling though and I think it's valid. Raising is obviously never not making me lots of money but I think flatting is arguably better. If villain can work out I very rarely have Tx here then I think it's better but ultimately they can't and they are probably right to not discount it as a population tendency.

    KK hands I remember seeing that villain was very tight and hadn't 3bet yet but this must have been HM2 not updating the villain as when I looked at this hand after I had basically no sample on villain (2 hands or something mad). I don't think I played this hand well hence me stopping for the day.

    I didn't get drunk though, doing that now instead.
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  42. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    Are you sure they were bronze? Look much more like red boxes.

    https://www.pokerstars.com/help/arti...ue-com/103244/
    You must be right, despite the boxes looking a shade of orange/brown. I think I particularly get done on rakeback because I often only play on a Sunday, which then seems to reset back to red boxes.
  43. #43
    77 - I think it's fine to call turn. It's unlikely villain has 10x given two are on the board, Kx and bluffs are likely bet folding and only combo draws or bigger hands are calling unless villain is a drooler. We don't hate too many river cards either, beyond 10x and Kx. We also want to have some weaker hands we can call flop and turn if we're thinking about protecting our range from being exploited (note: we shouldn't be thinking too much about this).

    KK - 4betting is likely best when 100bb+ deep, but only marginally profitable when we get jammed on and have to call off. If our 4bet gets called, I've been experimenting with chk jam flop or bet flop small and chk jam turns recently, with some success against regs. Interested in what people think about that, versus more traditional bet flop, bet turn line (Edit: I've been doing this more in 3bet pots with initiative out of position, but you get the idea).
    Last edited by The Bean Counter; 08-01-2018 at 05:39 PM.
  44. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    I mean regs who do things like fold to bets after they don't c-bet 95%+
    Worth saying this is generally right and a good adjustment to bet half pot or less versus a check. You do get a lot of regs that bet 90% of ace high flops when on the btn vs bb, but check back A2-A9. I think that's a big mistake that can be battered easily.

    Likewise those that check call 99-QQ BVB 100% of the time on a K8x rainbow board. You can overbet the flop with Kx or better quite comfortably for value.
  45. #45
    I'm having a horrible urge to grind spin n gos. Someone convince me not to.

    I'd only be rolled for 25c ones so my hourly would bomb compared to even 2 tabling 5nl zoom but for some reason I want to.
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  46. #46
    This one ticked me over to get one blue chest for 21c...

    I think this is most profitable way to play it, but let me know if you think bet bet is better. 16nl is the softest stake between 5nl-50nl.

    Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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    SB: $25.92 (162 bb)
    BB: $16.39 (102.4 bb)
    UTG: $19.72 (123.3 bb)
    Hero (MP): $39.99 (249.9 bb)
    CO: $20.70 (129.4 bb)
    BTN: $54.86 (342.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with A A
    UTG calls $0.16, Hero raises to $0.64, CO folds, BTN raises to $2.32, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.16, Hero raises to $8, BTN calls $5.68, UTG folds

    Flop: ($18.56) 3 T 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks

    Turn: ($18.56) K (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $17.72, Hero raises to $31.99, BTN calls $14.27

    River: ($82.54) K (2 players)

    Results: $82.54 pot ($1.50 rake)
    Final Board: 3 T 9 K K
    Hero showed A A and lost (-$39.99 net)
    BTN showed A K and won $81.04 ($41.05 net)
  47. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    I'm having a horrible urge to grind spin n gos. Someone convince me not to.

    I'd only be rolled for 25c ones so my hourly would bomb compared to even 2 tabling 5nl zoom but for some reason I want to.
    Don't be a fucking idiot.

    But why not play a few? Hourly isn't really a thing unless you're definitely profitable at 25nl+.
  48. #48
    I think that's fine. And ye that's why I struggle I don't care about the money so 5nlz at 3bb 500 hands is 75c an hour but 25c spins are like 20c an hour + awful variance. More fun though?
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  49. #49
    I don't enjoy them really, but each to their own. I might donk over for a few in a minute.
  50. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by The Bean Counter View Post
    I don't enjoy them really, but each to their own. I might donk over for a few in a minute.
    HU4ROLLZ instead?

    edit - I genuinely don't mean that even if my roll is $40 atm.
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  51. #51
    Standard is very questionable.

    Edit: somebody just bet called vs a 14bb jam on KQx with T7o.
    Last edited by The Bean Counter; 08-03-2018 at 05:37 PM.
  52. #52
    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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    SB: $11.04 (220.8 bb)
    BB: $17.56 (351.2 bb)
    UTG: $9.54 (190.8 bb)
    MP: $6.89 (137.8 bb)
    CO: $5.91 (118.2 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $5.60 (112 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5 6
    3 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, SB folds, BB calls $0.05

    Flop: ($0.22) 3 Q 7 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.11, BB calls $0.11

    Turn: ($0.44) Q (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.27, BB calls $0.27

    River: ($0.98) T (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.60, BB calls $0.60

    Results: $2.18 pot ($0.09 rake)
    Final Board: 3 Q 7 Q T
    BB showed 2 A and won $2.09 ($1.01 net)
    Hero showed 5 6 and lost (-$1.08 net)

    This may not be great but villain folds a lot on the flop, the stuff he calls with that isn't Qx probably wants to fold the turn and he'll raise some Qx here and he probably 3bets some strong Qx pre and when river misses he has some draws that still beat me whilst I have all the best hands bar some Tx I probably wouldn't be betting anyway.

    And I get snapped with A2o lol don't bluff kids it's dangerous.
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  53. #53
    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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    SB: $2.27 (113.5 bb)
    BB: $2.35 (117.5 bb)
    UTG: $2.02 (101 bb)
    MP: $2.64 (132 bb)
    Hero (CO): $2.04 (102 bb)
    BTN: $2 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 7 8
    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.05, 2 folds, BB calls $0.03

    Flop: ($0.11) 6 K 7 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($0.11) 2 (2 players)
    BB bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

    River: ($0.27) 5 (2 players)
    BB bets $0.42, Hero calls $0.42

    Results: $1.11 pot ($0.04 rake)
    Final Board: 6 K 7 2 5
    BB showed J A and lost (-$0.55 net)
    Hero showed 7 8 and won $1.07 ($0.52 net)

    Congrats to villain for putting me in an awkward spot. I wasn't sure whether I should be c-betting this hand I think not. Turn I think is standard especially as I block sets.
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  54. #54
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    56o on button is probably too loose. I can only assume BB is making a stand here as a deterrant to your relentless opens and post-flop bets. Post flop, I mean I like this if villain is chasing flush draws on paired turns, but otherwise when he calls turn we should probably realise he intends to call down to showdown.

    78s, this is a really easy cbet. There's worse hands calling, and we don't hate being raised. Turn, as played, this is a clear raise. We don't want to see another spade, he'll call a raise if he has the ace, he won't believe we have a flush because I assume hero has an aggressive image and villain would expect flush draws to cbet flop. River, as played yeah just call this, we're maybe getting a raise called by a king if he's terrible but it's dangerous without reads.
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    I really can't believe you're not betting that flop with 78s. What else are you checking here? Personally, I think I bet my entire range. I mean, I raised pre, it's Kxx 2tone. Yeah, I think I even bet my 88-QQ here, I don't want to turn those hands face up and am delighted to see a flop fold. Further, flush draws call, we're in position and can check back turn, and can call rivers to catch bluffs.

    We simply must bet this flop. It's far too strong a hand to play passively.
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  56. #56
    It's zoom ong, and people are folding their blinds far too often to the point where you can basically open everything against most people. I don't open 100% even in these spots and villains even if they are aware of this are never adjusting properly.

    78s is a really great hand to check in that spot, whether that makes it better than c-betting I couldn't tell you but it's definitely not bad and you're c-betting far too much if you are betting this with almost all of your range. Raising just because you're overly scared of another spade is silly when we can get tonnes more out of villain on the river on the vast majority of run outs. If we were OOP raising gains a lot more value.
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    Ok zoom, I'll concede on that and agree it's an ok open. And I could be wrong to raise the turn, although I must point out it's not because I'm "scared" of another spade, rather I want value from him to chase it.

    But it's a clear, clear cbet on the flop. We're never far behind, we're getting a few calls from hands we beat, and plenty of folds from hands that either have plenty of equity or are even ahead.

    Coming back to checking... I mean, anything I want to check, I'm happy to turn into a bluff. This flop is horrible to a large chunk of his range, while being great for ours. But, if I do have hands that I check, they are hands that I'm basically giving up on already, like 22 or whatever. Certainly not hands that can call a check/raise.
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  58. #58
    65o: probably fine to 3 barrel off our gutshots against some opponents that can fold, but also fine to give up against most stations. We may be bluffing too much though if we have all the gutshots on the flop, plus flush draws. We’ll want to be value betting thin on the river to balance. Think this is still too loose an open though and I’ve never thought min opening is good, especially at >30bb.

    87s: would be good to work this through properly, but think a check back is okay as villain likely has a handful of outs at best, we don’t get value from worse and we allow villain to bluff stab turns and rivers. That said, we’ll win often enough against Kx by the river to make building the pot now good too. Be interesting to put this through Pio.

    PS: if villain is over-betting rivers with the nut blocker at 2nl, that’s prob the one player to avoid battling and opening their BB too loose.
    Last edited by The Bean Counter; 08-15-2018 at 04:38 AM. Reason: Zippy is a gimp
  59. #59
    65o: probably fine to 3 barrel off our gutshots against some opponents that can fold, but also fine to give up against most stations. We may be bluffing too much though if we have all the gutshots on the flop, plus flush draws. We’ll want to be value betting thin on the river to balance. Think this is still too loose an open though and I’ve never thought min opening is good, especially at >30bb.

    87s: would be good to work this through properly, but think a check back is okay as villain likely has a handful of outs at best, we don’t get value from worse and we allow villain to bluff stab turns and rivers. That said, we’ll win often enough against Kx by the river to make building the pot now good too. Be interesting to put this through Pio.

    PS: if villain is over-betting rivers with the nut blocker at 2nl, that’s prob the one player to avoid battling and opening their BB too loose.
    Last edited by The Bean Counter; 08-15-2018 at 04:37 AM. Reason: Your mum
  60. #60
    Hit level 120 on wow, will spend the rest of the week gearing up in dungeons and grinding ap.

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