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  1. #1

    Default Turn spot vs reg ZOOM 25nl

    Hi Guys, another one for you all

    I had 100 hands on villain and he was playing 25/20 with a 10% 3bet, f3b of 67%, Flop CB 100% TCB of 67%.

    Inf flop and Inf turn aggression.

    My thoughts are that his range is obviously super wide for 3betting and he loves barreling. I questioned given our positions at the table wether or not to 4b and get it in but I dont think this is great.

    So I flat, flop is pretty good so we call, I see no value in raising given he loves barreling (im calling twice, regardless of the turn card) then probably folding river if he shoves.

    Given that he checks the turn it brings me a gutterball. Lots of draws out I opt to bet half pot. Then I get in a sticky spot...

    The pot is offering me 32% just over 2:1 and I gave him a range of nutted hands and draws, hands that he definately 3bets and ones I guess he check raises on this turn?

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 47.273% 47.27% 00.00% 5616 0.00 { QQ+, AQs+, KQs, QJs, JTs, T8s, 98s, 87s }
    Hand 1: 52.727% 52.73% 00.00% 6264 0.00 { TT }

    PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from

    Button ($22.68)
    SB ($23.65)
    BB ($36.14)
    UTG ($11.29)
    MP ($26.54)
    Hero (CO) ($28.41)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 10, 10
    2 folds, Hero bets $0.75, 2 folds, BB raises to $2.75, Hero calls $2

    Flop: ($5.60) 3, 6, 7 (2 players)
    BB bets $2.75, Hero calls $2.75

    Turn: ($11.10) 9 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $4.75, BB raises to $30.64 (All-In), Hero calls $18.16 (All-In)

    River: ($56.92) J (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: $56.92 | Rake: $2
  2. #2
    Easy 4bet pre vs this guy. Stop letting him push people around. He's 3betting wide because it's zoom and most people aren't running a hud and just snap fold anything marginal without noticing who's 3betting them.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
  3. #3
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    not a fan of 4betting pre given we don't know if he'll 5b bluff us ever (and if, going on your logic ong, he is just 3betting super liberally because people fold way too much in his games then we are likely fucked when he does anything except fold vs our 4b)

    moving on, i probably play this the same postflop until the turn when i probably fold and tilt-quit my session.
  4. #4
    I dunno, I like it when he calls our 4bet. Sure a 5bet is ugly, but by then there's enough dead monies for me to think getting it in vs JJ+ AQ+ is gonna be ok, though I haven't crunched any numbers. And if he ever 5bet bluffs, this only helps.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
  5. #5
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    do regs 3b/cold-call 4b's OOP vs other regs w/100bb stacks? except with hands they never intend to fold anyway (ie if villain thought hero was full of shit 90% of the time here he might flat AA/KK planning to check/shove lots of flops or something). i seriously cannot think of a single hand (barring the above situation) that i'd like to have in a cold-call vs 4bet range in this situation. even if he does cold-call 4bets, what hands is he likely to have in his range that we are stoked to see coming to a flop vs us? he wouldn't be bad enough to 3b/call 44-99 would he?

    re your "sure a 5bet is ugly" point. i've always been under the impression that, in these preflop 3/4/5b strategy games, we shouldn't 4bet hands we don't want to felt vs a 5b (unless we are 4b bluffing, in which case we'd use a polarised range and be better off using a typical "bluff" hand like Axs than TT). i'm not sure if that's correct, but it's the line of thought i've had drilled into me at some point along the way.

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