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    Default Set on the BTN vs. passive preflop raiser

    Villain is 35/15/0.8 AF over 95 hands although I prob only had about 40 hands at the point this happened. Not aggro postflop at all but I thought his flop c/c was strange.
    I felt if he had jj+ or even AT he would certainly bet for value. Since he didnt I felt that hands like A9, AJ+ would take this line as well as 66, 77 and maybe KJ, KQ. QJ is in his opening but would certainly bet to charge the FD.

    Flop I bet small b/c I want him to call with his Ax or MP hands.
    On Turn since he doesnt lead again I now bet a little stronger since he could be passively drawing.
    River kinda sucks but only if he raised and called 2 streets with KJ or AJ. It also sucks if he was drawing to a flush with something like AJs or AKs etc.
    Anything left to get value from?


    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
    BB ($10.56)
    villain (UTG) ($5.05)
    Hero (Button) ($5)
    SB ($7.28)
    Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, 10
    villain bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, 2 folds
    Flop: ($0.47) 10, 9, 8 (2 players)
    villain checks, Hero bets $0.28, villain calls $0.28
    Turn: ($1.03) 2 (2 players)
    villain checks, Hero bets $0.80, villain calls $0.80
    River: ($2.63) Q (2 players)
    villain checks, Hero ?
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    bigger on flop please
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    i think we should be betting far more on the flop. like $0.4 minimum, and i don't even mind betting more than the pot. the flop texture is about as wet as wet can be, and we probably never get a street from the weaker hands in his range like 22-66 anyway. same logic goes on the turn, except his range has been narrowed down/strengthened by the fact that he called a bet on the flop. betting the river may be kind of thin because the Qd:

    A - is a scare card for Tx/9x/8x/77, some of which might have called a vbet on a blank river
    B - completes an absolute fuckton of draws.

    i think, given how passive and stationy villain seems i'd make it something like $1.1 and comfortably fold to a shove (or any raise, for that matter). though that's an instinctive reaction and i'd need to take a ton more time than i put into this post to determine whether i think betting/checking is best (and what size, should we choose to bet)
    Last edited by rpm; 08-08-2011 at 06:41 AM.
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    i think there is a value bet here - at least he will tell you if you are beat and i wouldnt expect someone at these stakes to bluff raise river
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    3bet pre, bigger on flop, check river -what the hell do we wanna get called by?
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    Hero checks back river.
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    Pre-flop, it's it better to 3 bet or set mine? My thoughs are muddied because the 10 drops.

    With the draws hitting on the river, I would be checking.
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    I called instead of 3bet b/c:
    1) I had the btn, if I was in the blinds I would 3bet
    2) A player with pfr of 15 could be raising closer to 18-20% here in lp, I felt a 3bet would fold worse and hands that continue are either better or flips so I thought keeping his range wide was best.

    That ws my reasoning anyway.

    I can agree with everyone that the flop shouldve been larger
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinland View Post
    I called instead of 3bet b/c:
    1) I had the btn, if I was in the blinds I would 3bet
    2) A player with pfr of 15 could be raising closer to 18-20% here in lp, I felt a 3bet would fold worse and hands that continue are either better or flips so I thought keeping his range wide was best.

    That ws my reasoning anyway.

    I can agree with everyone that the flop shouldve been larger
    yeah thats fine, just that ppl with these kinda stats will never put you in a difficult position if they 4bet, and will definitely call 3bets with worse even OOP. Call is obv fine as well if you won't feel comfortable postflop.
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