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  1. #1

    Default QQ facing paired K on flop

    Criticize my play. Villain is 73/20, so hugely wide range. Although his range includes Kx i figured he was playing so many other hands like Ax Qx and Jx maybe also hands like 78s+ etc. that my play here would be profitable even if he did happen to have the K. No flush or straight draws came, so I kept betting small so he would call all streets.
    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG ($2)
    Hero (MP) ($2.88)
    Button ($1.32)
    SB ($2.08)
    BB ($1.44)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, Q
    UTG calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.08, Button calls $0.08, 3 folds

    Flop: ($0.21) K, J, K (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.14, Button calls $0.14

    Turn: ($0.49) 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.20, Button calls $0.20

    River: ($0.89) 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.30, Button raises to $0.90 (All-In), Hero calls $0.60

    Total pot: $2.69 | Rake: $0.17

    Results:
    Button had 4, A (one pair, Kings).
    Hero had Q, Q (two pair, Kings and Queens).
    Outcome: Hero won $2.52
  2. #2
    Fold river unless you think villain is capable of running this line as a bluff. Also in the future don't include the results
  3. #3
    Oh and i can see that you actually won the hand good read on your opponent but most of the time they will have a king or better in this spot.
  4. #4
    define most of the time in a numerical sense, because if it's 75% of the time we should still call
  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73 View Post
    define most of the time in a numerical sense, because if it's 75% of the time we should still call
    Well unless you have 1k+ hand on villain it's hard to say exactly how they play on a paired board. If you want me to throw a number out there i would say this is a king at least 90 percent of the time if villain is unknown.
  6. #6
    Great you won the hand.
    Is it correct to post hand with result?
    What should we analyze here?
  7. #7
    The big note is to not C-bet this flop. The generally good rule is when you have a PP and there's a higher card on the board, i.e. QQ with a King out there or KK with an Ace on the board, do not c-bet. You're over-repping your hand and will often be called by a lot of hands that beat you.

    This is why you got so confused on later streets because you had no idea where you stood. So don't cbet the flop, c/c flop, c/c turn and see what happens on the river. But when you play a second pair hand so aggressively you are going to get in trouble a lot. Think about it -- If you have AJ and the flop comes KJ4, are you going to be hammering that hard with your second pair hand?
  8. #8
    inb4lock
    [20:19] <Zill4> god
    [20:19] <Zill4> u guys
    [20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
    [20:19] <Zill4> and dumb
  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by mrchevyceleb View Post
    The big note is to not C-bet this flop. The generally good rule is when you have a PP and there's a higher card on the board, i.e. QQ with a King out there or KK with an Ace on the board, do not c-bet. You're over-repping your hand and will often be called by a lot of hands that beat you.

    This is why you got so confused on later streets because you had no idea where you stood. So don't cbet the flop, c/c flop, c/c turn and see what happens on the river. But when you play a second pair hand so aggressively you are going to get in trouble a lot. Think about it -- If you have AJ and the flop comes KJ4, are you going to be hammering that hard with your second pair hand?
    I don't think this is true all the time and you are giving up a lot of equity if you always check under pairs on the flop. Example you JJ and get 1 caller after raising. Flop comes AcTc2d. Depending on how many draws you put in villains range checking is bad Sure you will get called by pretty much any ace but you will also get called basically any flush draw and possible str8 draws.
  10. #10
    "Sure you will get called by pretty much any ace but you will also get called basically any flush draw and possible str8 draws."

    Yeah definitely, but you'll also not be pot controlling and when you're betting you won't know if you're betting for value or not. So if they have an Ace, you only get value-towned for 2 streets rather than 3 with your second pair and hand-reading on the turn and river is much easier b/c you can see how they react after the flop (in)action. It's a tough spot for sure, and a standard one.
  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by mrchevyceleb View Post
    "Sure you will get called by pretty much any ace but you will also get called basically any flush draw and possible str8 draws."

    Yeah definitely, but you'll also not be pot controlling and when you're betting you won't know if you're betting for value or not. So if they have an Ace, you only get value-towned for 2 streets rather than 3 with your second pair and hand-reading on the turn and river is much easier b/c you can see how they react after the flop (in)action. It's a tough spot for sure, and a standard one.
    that depends on the player lots of 2nl folks will call 3 barrels on a paired board with ace high. Sure you lose less when they have a king by checking the turn. Personally i'm not that big on pot control. I like to extract as much money as possible when i am infront of villains calling range. Checking the flop my be lower variance my i'm not sure it's gonna win the most money.
  12. #12
    his range is Jx city, snap call
  13. #13
    He prob has A4o. Ez call.
  14. #14
    Snap it. NH
    [00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
    [00:30] <DC> daven
    [00:30] <DC> on my hand?
    [00:30] <daven> yep
    [00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
    [00:30] <daven> nice reason
    [00:30] <daven> no further questions
    [00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

    Problem officer...?
  15. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by littleogre View Post
    Fold river unless you think villain is capable of running this line as a bluff. Also in the future don't include the results
    I would never ever ever ever fold this to a 70/20 70bb deep or watever.

    It's rly just a straightforward bet/bet/shove spot not folding anywhere.

    Hero should also be sizing bigger to shove river.
  16. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by d0zer View Post
    I would never ever ever ever fold this to a 70/20 70bb deep or watever.

    It's rly just a straightforward bet/bet/shove spot not folding anywhere.

    Hero should also be sizing bigger to shove river.


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