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  1. #1
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    Default QQ - 2 spots

    Villain in this hand is 19/5 - 2% 3bet
    Playing 4 or so tables - losing player (he might be UK or scandinavian)

    1. Do we just fold preflop and move on?
    2. If we do call how do we play either the turn or river on a non-A/K flop - like the one we got (assume everyone agrees a A/K flop is a trivial fold)
    3. If villain bets less - eg half pot, does this change our decision any given the player we are against?

    Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP1 ($8.32)
    MP2 ($12.40)
    MP3 ($4.55)
    CO ($7.95)
    Button ($3.50)
    SB ($6.95)
    BB ($10)
    UTG ($9.15)
    Hero (UTG+1) ($12.79)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, Q
    UTG calls $0.10, Hero bets $0.50, 6 folds, BB raises $1.70, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.30

    Flop: ($3.75) 9, 3, 5 (2 players)
    BB bets $2.80, Hero ?????


    Hand 2.

    We may have a slightly looser image than normal here as I have had a run of cards - but im not convinced that really matters at these stakes.

    Initial 3 bettor is 27/12 - 6% 3bet over about 150 hands.
    4bet comes from a S. Korean reg, but losing/breakeven player - note stack depth.

    1. Do we even call preflop here? Is a bad reg limited to just AA/KK (even just AA)

    Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG ($4.24)
    UTG+1 ($7.91)
    MP1 ($5.04)
    MP2 ($12.54)
    Hero (MP3) ($25.18)
    CO ($10.75)
    Button ($18.36)
    SB ($5)
    BB ($24.42)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q, Q
    4 folds, Hero bets $0.30, CO raises $0.60, 2 folds, BB raises $1.90, Hero ??
  2. #2
    Folding both pre. I'd like to setmine H2 but having CO still to act makes that tough, since we hate life if he 5bets.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
  3. #3
    Fold preflop in H1. If we were entirely certain that his range is KK+ every single time here, then we can pretty much play breakeven lol. Definitely fold flop as played.

    H2 is interesting. Depending on how much the BB thought before 4b'ing, I could certainly see him having AK or two black queens here.

    As for CO, it's tough to get an exact range based on his sizing. He's obviously not trying to get us to fold which seems to make 88-JJ less likely (fish tend to try to take it down preflop with these hands because they're the best hand until the flop hits). I don't know if he does this with AQ or not. If he has better, we won't see a flop which suuuuux when we just called for 16 more bb's. Even if we see a flop, CO's never folding so we're playing with really bad relative position in a spot where we're still behind 50%+ of the time on any flop that doesn't have a Q.

    I don't know, I probably just "I'm confused" fold here lol. I feel like that's bad, but I have know idea how to win money here.

    Inb4 I get grilled.
  4. #4
    If his preflop 3b range is so tight then why call with qq? What were you hoping for? im drunk
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    folding both. lol fr.

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  6. #6
    Hand 1: uggh. I think your position makes this a fold pre if villain is positionally aware and perceives you to be too. As played, it's a fold to this sized bet for me - if he bet half pot, I'd probably call and fold to strength on the turn, but I'd assume this is one area I spew.

    Hand 2: Easy fold at 10nl FR on Stars - villains don't cold 4 bet without the goods.
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001 View Post
    Villain in this hand is 19/5 - 2% 3bet
    Playing 4 or so tables - losing player (he might be UK or scandinavian)

    1. Do we just fold preflop and move on?
    2. If we do call how do we play either the turn or river on a non-A/K flop - like the one we got (assume everyone agrees a A/K flop is a trivial fold)
    3. If villain bets less - eg half pot, does this change our decision any given the player we are against?

    Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP1 ($8.32)
    MP2 ($12.40)
    MP3 ($4.55)
    CO ($7.95)
    Button ($3.50)
    SB ($6.95)
    BB ($10)
    UTG ($9.15)
    Hero (UTG+1) ($12.79)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, Q
    UTG calls $0.10, Hero bets $0.50, 6 folds, BB raises $1.70, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.30

    Flop: ($3.75) 9, 3, 5 (2 players)
    BB bets $2.80, Hero ?????


    I don't think I can find a fold pre; also how does villian view you? Not just your reads on him? If I'm seen as loose; I'll value 4b jam. How big is your sample size? Cause I could expect to get it in versus like JJ+, AKo+ against this guy. On flop I jam? I think he can be 3betting with worse than QQ and you state nothing of your own image nor the sample size on this villian, but I'm guessing it's small because all your reads are is some 3bet stat and some hud stats with a location. I jam flop and probably jam pre. I'm also not a good player.


    Hand 2.

    We may have a slightly looser image than normal here as I have had a run of cards - but im not convinced that really matters at these stakes.

    Initial 3 bettor is 27/12 - 6% 3bet over about 150 hands.
    4bet comes from a S. Korean reg, but losing/breakeven player - note stack depth.

    1. Do we even call preflop here? Is a bad reg limited to just AA/KK (even just AA)

    Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG ($4.24)
    UTG+1 ($7.91)
    MP1 ($5.04)
    MP2 ($12.54)
    Hero (MP3) ($25.18)
    CO ($10.75)
    Button ($18.36)
    SB ($5)
    BB ($24.42)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q, Q
    4 folds, Hero bets $0.30, CO raises $0.60, 2 folds, BB raises $1.90, Hero ??
    This hand is probably a fold though. You're going to have to worry about CO jamming, which even if you call the BB is jamming all flops with ATC that he called CO's jam. You're likely behind and with CO left to act I think it's a lay down. You can find better spots to play 500bb pots against Korean guy.
    I fold AA preflop.
  8. #8
    Hand 1. You don't really have implied odds to set mine, so if you're not willing to get it all in on a no A or K flop, what did you call for?

    Hand 2 is an easier fold. You're not as likely to be ahead against two opponents who are repping strength, and even if you are, if they both go to the flop, you still have to stay ahead of both.
  9. #9
    hand 1
    easy ollin

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