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    Default PSA Regarding PokerTableRatings and PokerStars

    So here's a thought that could become important, it's against PokerStars' rules to view PTR at any time ever.

    The following are examples of tools and services which are prohibited at all times:

    52. Table Ratings aka Poker Table Ratings
    From Online Poker Software - Prohibited Programs, Tools and Services
    Last edited by spoonitnow; 07-09-2010 at 12:49 PM.
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    seems ridiculous. can't we just look at it on another computer aside from the one we use Pstars software?
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    I'm sure this is vigorously enforced
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomato paste carnage View Post
    I'm sure this is vigorously enforced
    if you have even just a few $k on a site, it's not worth it to even remotely mess with T&C
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    I'm proud to say at one point my site was on that list.
    Check out the new blog!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan View Post
    I'm proud to say at one point my site was on that list.
    I remember that :P
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    PokerStars - Third Party Tools & Services - PokerStars Poker Room

    Q Are you going to confiscate the account funds of somebody running a prohibited tool or service?


    A While we reserve the right to confiscate the funds of somebody running a prohibited tool or service , we are not going to do this lightly. We want to educate our players - not punish them. However, we will confiscate funds if a player shows a consistent pattern of using prohibited tools and services after being warned, or if a player attempts to bypass our detection measures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan View Post
    I'm proud to say at one point my site was on that list.
    which was?
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    Bump.

    Just a reminder that using PTR at any time is cheating on PokerStars.

    You've just got to decide if you're going to cheat or not, no matter what your excuse is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyPoker View Post
    which was?
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    I guess we're all banned then, because really, who's never visited PTR? I don't really see much of a difference between just innocently viewing PTR and personally using tracking tools like HEM and PT. I know we only track the hands we play, but still. Maybe Stars should somehow block PTR from datamining their site? Just a thought...

    So what happens to the thousands of retards that buy HH blocks from PTR?
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    Huh, i thought it was only prohibited while playing. I misread the tos
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    Quote Originally Posted by donkfish View Post
    I guess we're all banned then, because really, who's never visited PTR? I don't really see much of a difference between just innocently viewing PTR and personally using tracking tools like HEM and PT. I know we only track the hands we play, but still. Maybe Stars should somehow block PTR from datamining their site? Just a thought...

    So what happens to the thousands of retards that buy HH blocks from PTR?
    I had never used it until a couple weeks ago.
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    Bah they must have just changed it.. I only go there to check the leaderboards and to look at my own rating. Makes sense though if people are dling hand histories.


    • Q. Some prohibited programs listed above are internet web sites, especially those revolving around datamining. What steps do you take to stop their use?
    • PokerStars believes that it is best to take action against these services at the root. Consequently, we are continually improving our software to stop the datamining of our games. In addition, PokerStars reserves the right to take legal action as it deems fit against those services that maliciously and repeatedly breach our Terms of Service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw View Post
    I only go there to check the leaderboards and to look at my own rating.
    +1
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    I don't play on stars, I get RB on a Euro site
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    I don't play on stars, I get RB on a Euro site
    Which euro site? I didn't see any that allowed US players
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    Why would you assume I'm US?
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    pretty sure hes in canada, LOL
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    I feel like this is a good motivator to use my free 10 searches a day
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    i'm pretty sure that as long as ftp and stars allow ptr to act as a referral/rakeback affiliate then they are obviously fos
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    i'm pretty sure that as long as ftp and stars allow ptr to act as a referral/rakeback affiliate then they are obviously fos
    good point
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyms View Post
    Why would you assume I'm US?
    I thought you used to exclusively play US sites, sorry for assuming
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw View Post
    I thought you used to exclusively play US sites, sorry for assuming
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    Quote Originally Posted by CBAT View Post
    AssUMe it makes an Ass out of U and Me.

    Yeah one of my teachers in 7th grade showed us that
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    PITY YOU DIDN'T LEARN IT GOOD

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    Herald my signature below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    i'm pretty sure that as long as ftp and stars allow ptr to act as a referral/rakeback affiliate then they are obviously fos
    lol, never thought of this
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwiMark View Post
    PITY YOU DIDN'T LEARN IT GOOD

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSMichaelJ PokerStars Game Security Specialist View Post
    but PokerStars is not interested in pursuing the end users of services like PTR and similar: instead, our focus is on cutting off their collection of data in the first place. The integrity of the games is better protected by players feeling secure enough to report such issues to PokerStars, rather than pedantically hunting down users who visit a particular website.
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    I don't see how the sites can stop them from collecting data. The only thing they can do is not let observers watch the table action? That's not going to happen.

    So what are the solutions?

    1. Ask PTR nicely not to sell hand histories?
    2. Hire the A-team to go shut them down?
    3. Scan players HM or PT databases and warn then ban anyone who has a significant number of hand histories in which they did not participate?
    4. Ban the use of a HUD.
    5. Realize that a ton of HHs don't really help or hurt good players and just allow PTR to exist?

    It seems like 5 is the only thing that makes sense?

    We live in the information age, and people will just have to adjust to the nature of poker as it exists today. The only people that PTR hurts are the coaches who don't get students due to their crappy graph and fish who are getting bumhunted endlessly. And who cares about them anyways? Its not like we need PTR to spot the fish at the table.

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