terms like "probe bet" or "feeler bet" should never be used as a defense for a play. turn bet tilts me. shove, c/f, c/c, do anything but 1/4 pot bet when you and your opponent can both clearly see that you're committed.

people might disagree but if you're gonna get your stack in, flop may've been place to do it. your hand isn't going to improve and his hand isn't going to unimprove. you're gonna have a hard time simoltaneously convincing me that a flop shove is a bad value bet AND YET the turn call is a good value call