Need your microstakes experience on this one

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($11.62)
BB ($11.77)
UTG ($10.19)
UTG+1 ($38.61)
MP1 ($18.87)
MP2 ($27.27)
Hero (CO) ($20.52)
Button ($37.36)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8, 8
UTG bets $0.20, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.20, 1 fold, SB raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.46) 3, A, 2 (2 players)
SB bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

Turn: ($4.26) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.20, SB calls $2.20

River: ($8.66) 4 (2 players)
SB checks,


In short: villain has QQ here always, but will he fold?
He has slightly less than a psb left.
He plays 7 10NL tables, and 5 2+20 180 mans. He likely does not remember the preflop action. Villain is 18/10/3 14% steal
I have a note that he will cb his made hands and go into cc mode as soon as any draw comes in.
So he is supremely retarded and he has a pretty looking hand that he is attached to, but knows in his heart is no longer good.
The reason I did not follow this up by jaming immediately (which was obviously the plan) is because he snapped the turn with lightning speed and checked the river instantly.

he is never folding JJ, QQ,KK . i'd ck back turn cause he aint folding any diamond there.i'd check back river also. like you said, to retarted to fold and not a good target for bluff.

how can he call? thats pretty horrific he calls twice with JJ-KK

i dont see why he cant have AdX though as this is a pretty std line

Originally Posted by bikes

how can he call? thats pretty horrific he calls twice with JJ-KK

i dont see why he cant have AdX though as this is a pretty std line

Bet sizing, timing and notes.
I think Razvan got it right. I should probably even fold pre if I can't expect to get him off anything. Idk if he would even 3b AK there every time.

if he had Adx he would near psb flop and bet like hell turn/river. Adx is for them nuts on this board, very few would play an Adx like this and those who will take take this line are ussually nits on microstakes and this is not a nit.
to me his hand looks like JJ-KK or some retarted Ax w/o diamond.
they never fold JJ-KK here or a diamond or a A cause of the line Hero has, they never put him on A, everyone expects an A to raise preflop on 10nl and if they put him on 22,33,66 which Hero could have, they just keep calling hoping that he doesnt have it this time. i wouldnt be surprised to see villain sometimes w/ 99,TT here.
this kind of player is great to value bet since his calling range is really wide here, but damn wrong to bluff him.even tho calling here 2 streets on underpairs is horrible, they will do it.
really wanna see the end of this hand, cause i think i am right about it 95% of times.
calling 88 pre dont think is bad, you get ~12.5:1 implied odds so not that bad and this kind of player will ussually stack off overpairs and give you a good part of his stack with TPTK.

I'd be checking back the river. Can't see anything but QQ-KK or possibly Adx here and in my experience at these stakes if villain has called turn with that holding he's not folding on the river with less than a psb left so why waste the money.

I don't hate calling pre since IP and vs an obvious strong range (JJ/QQ+, AK of the soooted variety) and we will likely stack him when we bink our set.

Fold flop.

Probably too stupid to fold QQ given reads.

Originally Posted by Roid_Rage

I don't hate calling pre since IP and vs an obvious strong range (JJ/QQ+, AK of the soooted variety) and we will likely stack him when we bink our set.

Fold flop.

Probably too stupid to fold QQ given reads.

Thought it was generally accepted in this spot that if we're playing this only for set, we don't have deep enough stacks to call, therefore fold. Oskar called IP with the hopes of getting him to fold KK-JJ on an appropriate board which is obv a whole different kettle of fish. Like we ldo can't be hoping to stack him when we have set, AND get him to fold when we don't.

Also don't we have to consider what UTG is like when we're deciding how much weight we want to give AK in villain's range? Or does villain auto-click-buttons with the same range vs any type of player?

I just noticed villain's flop bet sizing which obv discounts AK by a lot, and underpairs all the more likely. But are we really calling with 88 waiting for THIS opportunity to arise, for the flop to come A high and then him proceeding to play his hand face up, and hope that despite all the horrible poker he's played thus far he will now be good enough to fold KK? If we're calling with the intent of stealing don't we want to pick spots where villain's range is inherently weak?

I think your image is really important here. If he's not going to fold big hands calling pre is probably slightly baddish.

My image is on the lagg side, we haven't had much history. He most certainly is just clicking buttons pre.

Call pre is obviously bad if I can't ship this river profitably. The consensus is that I can't, so I should fold pre.

Vaule bet thin and semibluff at the micros is my mantra these days. Whenever I get cute trying to triple barrel or some other pure bluff I get snapped by third pair or something equally bizzare (even by what I think are reasonable regs). After removing all of that kind of play my winrate increased drasticly over the last 40k hands.

So yeah, agree with you on the fold 88 pre (unless hes a super spazz).

edit: I also think weak suited Ax is a part of his range, playing a pot control line that will snap you on the river for the rest of his stack anyway.