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    Default KK hands @ 5nl

    No reads.

    The tightest range he can have on the turn is against which I am crushed.

    AA,QQ,KK88,33,AcKc,AQs,AQo (10% equity)

    But if Add 2 Bluffs TT-JJ I am at 40%, which is about what I need to call. The reasoning behind my bet sizing is that I think it keeps some 77-JJ combos in, vs me going closer to pot. Not to mention, if the MP2 Raises I have to drop it, since I have no reads on him as well. I can also assume that he might be bad cause he isn't buying full so adding a few draws seems to make sense and in that case this is snap. Thoughts?




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    saw flop

    Button ($3)
    SB ($2.21)
    BB ($4.93)
    UTG ($3.35)
    Hero (MP1) ($6.99)
    MP2 ($15.71)
    CO ($2.12)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, K
    UTG bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, MP2 calls $0.45, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.30

    Flop: ($1.42) Q, Q, 3 (3 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $0.65, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.65

    Turn: ($2.72) 8 (2 players)
    UTG bets $2.25 (All-In)
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    With no reads isn't it just safer leave the bluffs out at least at these stakes?
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    So you think him doing this with JJ is a bluff but not when he does it with AA? What I'm saying is if you put AA in his range, you should put JJ, TT and 99 too, or take all four out.

    Due to your reasoning behind your bet size on flop, I would think that you should include all 4 in your range. If 88+ is in his range to call the flop, you have to expect him to sometimes put it in on a blank turn when he has only one PSB in his stack.

    Also worth considering is c/c on this flop, then donk shove on a blank turn. Did he really change his mind about trapping?
    Last edited by tyrn; 10-22-2010 at 04:06 PM.
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    I would probably call here and expect to see something absolutely retarded a huge % of the time
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    don't you only need ~30-31% to call here? not 40? anyway, i wouldnt be surprised if all of 99-QQ is in his range here because he has fuck all clue how to play any of it. there's only like 13 believable Qx combos in his range. 18 combos of 99-JJ. add in whatever flush draws or spazzed out AK's he might have, then call.
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    I have been better at putting people on ranges and realizing that I need to be right not very often in big pots with big hands to make it a profitable call. I just still have some problem trusting myself in odd situations (like 4 bet flatting).

    I folded both KK hands, but this guy showed 86 of clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post
    I would probably call here and expect to see something absolutely retarded a huge % of the time
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    If you are going to add "bluff", put in clubs since that's a lot more likely. Pretty sure this is like the eziest call ever.
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    At micros donk type shoves are flush draws a pretty large % of the time.
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    My experience is that microers don't play QQ 88 or 33 like this. Hence what M2M said


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    snap this off. its not even 100bb if it makes you feel better
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    At micros donk type shoves are flush draws a pretty large % of the time.
    Well worth knowing and giving some thought.

    My experience is that microers don't play QQ 88 or 33 like this. Hence what M2M said
    How do they play them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarleyGuy13 View Post
    With no reads isn't it just safer TO SNAP CALL, at least at these stakes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm View Post
    don't you only need ~30-31% to call here? not 40? anyway, i wouldnt be surprised if all of 99-QQ is in his range here because he has fuck all clue how to play any of it. there's only like 13 believable Qx combos in his range. 18 combos of 99-JJ. add in whatever flush draws or spazzed out AK's he might have, then call.
    I would call this one based on the above situation as well as all the other comments about complete donks at this level playing the bluff or shoving a flush draw.

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