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  1. #1
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    Default JJ vs an Early Position Nit

    2 hands in total:

    Villain is 15/11/3.8 over 226.
    He has played a big pot against me with TPTK on a 7 high board but it was a BTN vs SB battle where he was trying to steal.
    He only raises 3% of his EP hands.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
    MP2 ($10.91)
    Hero (CO) ($10)
    Button ($11.01)
    SB ($10.88)
    BB ($4.86)
    UTG ($10.64)
    Villain (MP1) ($10.24)
    Preflop: Hero is CO with J, J
    1 fold, Villain bets $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, Villain calls $0.70

    I 3bet which is probably useless. He would probably call w/ TT, AK which I beat, JJ which I tie and QQ which I lose to. I would EXPECT him to 4bet KK/AA but that isnt written in stone.
    He seems straightforward so I suspect that KK and AA are discounted...

    Flop: ($2.15) 10, 6, 2 (2 players)
    Villain checks, Hero bets $1.30, Villain raises to $4.40, Hero ?

    If he has TT he beats me now. He's not folding QQ+ but would probably fold AK. My bet was again probably useless...
    His reraise suggests he has TT+...is a fold in order? I only see about 13% equity vs TT+


    Hand 2)
    Villain is 30/7/1.7 over 30
    Only note was that he would bet small (1/4 pot) w/ 3rd pair on flop vs preflop raiser.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
    MP3 ($10.15)
    Hero (CO) ($10)
    Villain (Button) ($8.15)
    SB ($11.89)
    BB ($10)
    UTG ($10.25)
    UTG+1 ($9.85)
    MP1 ($9.78)
    MP2 ($10.15)
    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, J
    5 folds, Hero bets $0.40, Villain calls $0.40, 2 folds
    Flop: ($0.95) 2, 10, Q (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.70, Villain calls $0.70

    I have TPGK on a draw heavy board. I am pretty confident to bet for value here. His call suggests to me FD's, STR8 draws (9j, KJ, AJ) as well as hands like TQ, 22, TT, KT, AT, KQ, AQ, JT, JQ
    Even though I have a FD, I doubt its going to be better than his very often.

    Turn: ($2.35) 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.10, Villain calls $1.10

    I vbet again although this is a bit small. My range on him doesnt change much although he likely starts reraising his sets on this draw heavy board.

    River: ($4.55) A (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.50, Villain raises to $3, Hero ?

    I dont like the A so I decide to bet/fold in case he was calling down with 2nd pair.
    I have great pot odds but I dont see myself beating anything but a bluff.
    It felt like he really wanted me to call him. Minraises dont often push people off of pots.
    Range i give him: AT, QT, AQ, 22, TT, KJ. Gives me 0% equity which is perhaps too nitty here?
    Does anyone look him up getting around 8-1 pot odds?
    Last edited by Vinland; 07-06-2010 at 01:12 AM.
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    hand 1 and i don't understand pre-flop 3bet if you think his calling range crushes you
    hand 2 and bet turn bigger
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    H1- A 3-bet here is pretty bad against a nits range.. he might flat AK oop if he really sucks but other than that you are mostly crushed and its hard to find a good board to stack off on. Flop is an easy fold... he has 1010-KK here a lot and would never do this with a smaller pp.

    H2- What Daven said.. If you've ever seen him min-raise bluff the river before by all means call.. otherwise you are beat here like 99% of the time.
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    Hand 1... Knowing his nitty opening range UTG of TT-AA. I flat the .30 and look to set mine. I would put him on 22,66,TT,QQ,KK, AKh. You are either way ahead (only to a bluff) or way behind to any reasonable hand. Easy fold.
    Hand 2... Villian would call flop and turn with FD, St8 draw, FD and St8 draw, top pair better kicker, two pair. Half of which you are slightly favored and the other half you are slightly behind. Bad spot. For him to call 2 streets, I give him credit to a hand very similar to yours if not better. As for river, I likely check/crying call 3/4 pot or less. Considering you put in a blocking bet, I would call 30% of time and fold 70%
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    H1) I know everyone else has said it so im not really going to say why but I like a flat pre. He's leading most turns and if we don't fold now we're going to have to call and fold on later streets..
    H2) Bet turn bigger, I don't see villain as the kind to bet the part of his range we beat on this river with this card if we check to him, 'cos it's a scare card to his range so hes swaring at the computer 'bout how he got rivered again. That being said I don't really get the point of a blocking bet here. If we decide that our range is behind his range, we can safely c/f this card because I don't think he'll be betting worse (if he is, please tell me). But if we decide that our range is ahead of his, we're trying to extract the most value from his hand (this can still be a b/f amirite?). His range is missed FD's, Tx, Qx, sometimes mediumish pocket pairs, jacks, J9,KJ, and sometimes K9, with the occassional slowplayed set/overpair, but thats a really tiny part of his range. I'm going to italicize every hand that we're beating that continues (not saying that they always will continue), and bold every hand that has us beat that continues (not saying that they always will continue). we block jacks, J9, and KJ. There are 3 combos of jacks left, 12 combos of of J9, and 12 combos of KJ(gonna put these with the hands straight hands that got there; AQ has 6 combos and KQ has 8 combos). Thats pretty much 38 combos that beat us. There are two other queens, so we take 8 X the number of kickers that we beat to find the combos of queens that we beat(I'm going to assume he's calling most bets with Qx here). It's a small sample size, but I think that he's playing something around Q6s+ and Q9o+. we get value from Q6s and Q8s which is 6 combos-6 combos of Q7o. Q9o is 8 combos, and i think he raises QT sometimes on the flop or turn, so we're getting value from 8 combos of Qx. I'm going to put his Tx range at T8s+ and T9o+. 3 combos of T8s, 12 combos of T9, 9 combos of JT, 12 combos of KT, and -9 combos of AT. Thats 27 combos of Jx we beat (we don't really have any idea if he's going to call a river bet with these, but i thought i should count some combos cos he could). 38 combos that beat us, and 38 combos that we beat assuming he's calling us down with 3rd pair. EZ c/f??
  6. #6
    ^^omg thats liek my longest post ever
    and oops, as played I fold river because I don't this going to take this line with many hands you beat, if any.
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Imthenewfish View Post
    H1) I know everyone else has said it so im not really going to say why but I like a flat pre. He's leading most turns and if we don't fold now we're going to have to call and fold on later streets..
    H2) Bet turn bigger, I don't see villain as the kind to bet the part of his range we beat on this river with this card if we check to him, 'cos it's a scare card to his range so hes swaring at the computer 'bout how he got rivered again. That being said I don't really get the point of a blocking bet here. If we decide that our range is behind his range, we can safely c/f this card because I don't think he'll be betting worse (if he is, please tell me). But if we decide that our range is ahead of his, we're trying to extract the most value from his hand (this can still be a b/f amirite?). His range is missed FD's, Tx, Qx, sometimes mediumish pocket pairs, jacks, J9,KJ, and sometimes K9, with the occassional slowplayed set/overpair, but thats a really tiny part of his range. I'm going to italicize every hand that we're beating that continues (not saying that they always will continue), and bold every hand that has us beat that continues (not saying that they always will continue). we block jacks, J9, and KJ. There are 3 combos of jacks left, 12 combos of of J9, and 12 combos of KJ(gonna put these with the hands straight hands that got there; AQ has 6 combos and KQ has 8 combos). Thats pretty much 38 combos that beat us. There are two other queens, so we take 8 X the number of kickers that we beat to find the combos of queens that we beat(I'm going to assume he's calling most bets with Qx here). It's a small sample size, but I think that he's playing something around Q6s+ and Q9o+. we get value from Q6s and Q8s which is 6 combos-6 combos of Q7o. Q9o is 8 combos, and i think he raises QT sometimes on the flop or turn, so we're getting value from 8 combos of Qx. I'm going to put his Tx range at T8s+ and T9o+. 3 combos of T8s, 12 combos of T9, 9 combos of JT, 12 combos of KT, and -9 combos of AT. Thats 27 combos of Jx we beat (we don't really have any idea if he's going to call a river bet with these, but i thought i should count some combos cos he could). 38 combos that beat us, and 38 combos that we beat assuming he's calling us down with 3rd pair. EZ c/f??
    tl;dr

    edit: imagine paragraphs

    edit edit: for those who don't know, I live on the east coast and it is ridic hot today and I can't be bothered to be civil with anyone atm. so, my bad.
    Last edited by Penneywize; 07-06-2010 at 01:24 PM.

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