I want to help you guys...

but it is so hard.

Poty

Originally Posted by reDZill4

but it is so hard.

That's what she said.

what can we do to make things easier for you?

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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

That's what she said.

what is it like to be dead?

Originally Posted by supa

what can we do to make things easier for you?

great question.

separate out those who would actually benefit from advice and those who wouldn't. then maybe i wouldn't feel like i'm kicking myself in the nuts every time i post here and get something TOTALLY off the mark.

are they smart enough to benefit from advice?
do they play enough to benefit from advice?
do they care enough about improving to benefit from advice?
are they active enough to benefit from advice?
are they serious enough about poker to benefit from advice?

but this is my pipe dream.

Zilla, I've been drinking a little so don't read too much into this. First off, I understand that your time is valuable and respect the fact that you are willing to dedicate some of that time to help those deserving of it. I also understand from personal experience the frustration that can come from trying to help people who either don't deserve it or won't accept it or are literally just too stupid to understand it. I also truly respect the fact that you keep returning to the BC with the hope that you might find well deserving people to bestow your knowledge upon.

I can't say that I meet all (or any) of your criteria. I come here in the hopes of learning somethong (was gonna fix that but I said thong so...). And sometimes I get the joy of knowing I gave someone else some good advice. I will probably never be a great poker player. My hope is that I will become decent.

I would like you to understand that your advice isn't falling on deaf ears. We may not always be deserving of it, and some of us may not deserve it at all. But a few of us will get enough from you to become better poker players, which I think is what this site is about.

Namaste bitches.

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How old are you red? How about setting some criteria for players you will help and explaining what beginners need to do to prove that they meet those criteria?

This seems far better and more constructive, would save you further pain in your nuts and wouldn't come across as being condescending, arrogant and dismissive.

As is I can't see how your first post achieves anything at all other than projecting a less than favourable impression of your personality (judge a man not by how he treats his equals but how he treats his inferiors). The second is hardly better Calling on players to separate themselves out according to some loose and immeasurable criteria such as intelligence then form an orderly queue for advice.

It seems to me that anyone intelligent enough to qualify for your advice should be offended by this thread and should doubt your talents as a teacher no matter how successful you are (and I know that's VERY) on the tables. I also believe anyone grovelling to you on the lines of "sorry we disappoint you we'll try harder" cannot possibly qualify as intelligent.

Frankly I'm surprised nobody else is tilted by this thread

Originally Posted by gingerwizard

How old are you red? How about setting some criteria for players you will help and explaining what beginners need to do to prove that they meet those criteria?

This seems far better and more constructive, would save you further pain in your nuts and wouldn't come across as being condescending, arrogant and dismissive.

As is I can't see how your first post achieves anything at all other than projecting a less than favourable impression of your personality (judge a man not by how he treats his equals but how he treats his inferiors). The second is hardly better Calling on players to separate themselves out according to some loose and immeasurable criteria such as intelligence then form an orderly queue for advice.

It seems to me that anyone intelligent enough to qualify for your advice should be offended by this thread and should doubt your talents as a teacher no matter how successful you are (and I know that's VERY) on the tables. I also believe anyone grovelling to you on the lines of "sorry we disappoint you we'll try harder" cannot possibly qualify as intelligent.

Frankly I'm surprised nobody else is tilted by this thread

Agree completely. There's a great misconception in this community that new players/weaker players have to take some lower place in the hierarchy and behave like grateful worthless idiots just because they're not yet as proficient or successful as those teaching them. I might not be redzilla or a major balla or anything, far from it, but I've had more than enough experience coaching/helping people in this industry to know that respecting them and motivating them via their own results and the interest you take in their game is far more successful than a condescending "become worthy of my help" approach.

Regarding people sorting themselves into some order of the worthy and unworthy, that sounds like some kind of weird poker fascism. It's usually blatant who benefits from the advise given and who doesn't. If people have attitude problems then that's too bad for them. This is a public forum and so advise given here is available to everyone. Those who have the ability and attitude to benefit from it will do so and they and their teachers will lose nothing from the rest of the community reading it and failing to do anything with it.

Also, just because someone is currently terrible at poker and unable to use the help they're being given, it doesn't mean they'll always be, so crushing their spirit by deeming them eternally unworthy is a pretty terrible way to help them get to the stage where they can benefit.

I think it's great that someone successful in poker wants to give their time to help, but honestly, I think you've got your approach to helping pretty wrong if that's truly the aim of this thread.

Ohh one more thing. People really need to have some self respect instead of just accepting their place in this imaginary order of dominance. Just because this is the internet doesn't mean people should be treated as stupid objects. Yeah some people are arguably dumb, unhelpable etc, but so what, it's a public forum they generally don't hold anyone with real potential back. If they put you off posting to help those that can be helped, Zilla, then that's too bad; they're always going to be there. Maybe instead you should do private coaching, that way you can help those with potential and get the reward of seeing their progress.

In short, I think you're going about this all wrong and its a shame to condition newcomers to the game like this,

I guess what you're asking for is a subforum "Red's House" which is locked to non-invitees. Invites get sent out based on red's whim, and with help from a select few right-hand men who get to vote on who gets an invite. I don't want to pass judgment too quickly but my initial thoughts are that such a thing would quickly degenerate into a popularity contest with certain people being unfairly excluded and so on.

Maybe if you made the "membership criteria" totally objective like meeting volume requirements, winrate requirements, it might have more than a snowball's chance in hell of bringing a positive element into the forums. Then again one-size-fit-all criteria will be very hard to establish, if at all possible.

LOL @ thinking Redzilla wants to help anyone.

Slow your roll homies. I'm fully aware of the unfair and inequality, etc that would ensue if there was a 'redshouse' sub-forum. I also clearly stated my awareness of this in my post.

Originally Posted by reDZill4

but this is my pipe dream.

Also at no point in the future will you ever see such a forum. That's also not what I was pushing for. I'm also confused why you guys think this is a government. I'd say it's more like a baseball camp or a classroom. I'm not asking you to all accept equal benefits for in equally skilled jobs or anything. I'm begging to think you guys just don't like me. This thread was merely asking people to show a little initiative in their own poker learning. Which probably could have been written as "ask yourself theses questions" instead of sort yourselves into categories of varying degrees based on these questions.

Originally Posted by Carroters

I've had more than enough experience coaching/helping people in this industry to know that respecting them and motivating them via their own results and the interest you take in their game is far more successful than a condescending "become worthy of my help" approach.

I couldn't agree with you more. However I believe that these two things are not mutually exclusive. Personal interest is clearly a micro level approach and 'become worthy of my help' is clearly a macro level approach. While I think 'become worthy of my help' is a little extreme of a notion.

I will say that I do wish that there was a greater general awareness of poker stuff in the BC which there are many stickies on that people seem to generally ignore. Which is understandably so. I was at one point a beginner who didn't want to do anything but post my hand and see what people said either. I suppose these posts are reflective of my regret in not taking a more active interest in my poker learning back in the day.

Red i'm wondering if you could answer a question for me, it's regarding spoonitnows mathematics of EV thread?

why don't you ask the question instead of asking whether or not he might answer a question?

Using spoonitnows formula for a basic semi bluff shove i created a basic scenario to get to grips with the mechanics of the formula and how to interpret the results.

AhKh vs TT on 2h-8h-Qc flop Pot ($1.50) I shove my last $1.00 on the flop and im saying villain folds 33% of the time.

In this example P=1 and B= a% of P because im letting the pot = 1 and the bet = a percentage of it im wondering if im interpreting he results properly?

EV=PF + E(1-F)(P+B) + (1-F)(1-E)(-B)

EV=1*0.33+0.53*(1-0.33)*(1+0.6667)+(1-0.33)*(1-0.53)*(-0.6667)

EV=0.71190134

So do i interpret this as:

a) EV= +$0.71
b) EV= +$1.07 (71% of the actual pot $1.50)

I'm not sure because im using B as a percentage, villain folds/calls is a percentage and my equity is a percentage. So can anyone help?

Thanks.

i just used stove and cardrunners ev and got 1.068$

I see, it is 71% of the pot then as my answer was 1.065 rounded up to 1.07 the 0.003 difference is due to me rounding the original answer to 0.71 before multiplying.

Thanks a million