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    Default Hero wanna fold

    H1.

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    saw flop

    UTG ($25)
    Hero (UTG+1) ($29.95)
    MP1 ($27.07)
    MP2 ($10.66)
    CO ($10.83)
    Button ($20.09)
    SB ($10.23)
    BB ($10.10)

    UTG is 16/14 AFq 100 in 43 hands so small sample.

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with ,
    UTG calls $0.25, Hero bets $1, MP1 calls $1, 5 folds, UTG calls $0.75

    Most will say fold pre , i know.

    Flop: ($3.35) , , (3 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $2.25, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.25

    dream flop, absolute nuts here.
    he checked and waited about 10sec before called my bet, so i thought 44,88,A8s,A4s and 66,77,55


    Turn: ($7.85) (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $6.75, UTG calls $6.75

    UTG c/c quickly, no even thought about it. hero thinks is a way behind/ way ahead situation. i bet to try one more value bet from 8x and 4x.

    should i check back here on turn or at least bet a little less?


    River: ($21.35) (2 players)
    UTG bets $15 (All-In)

    didnt even got the chance to see the river cause he shoved, that quick was his bet.
    Hero wanna fold here. stove says 37% vs 44-88,A8s and i need 41% to be even.

    who's calling here?


    H2.
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    saw flop

    BB ($10.25)
    UTG ($50.38)
    MP1 ($25.07)
    MP2 ($25.27)
    Hero (CO) ($45)
    Button ($10.93)
    SB ($25.95)

    SB is 2nd hand at table so complete unknown.

    Preflop: Hero is CO with ,
    3 folds, Hero bets $0.75, 1 fold, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

    Flop: ($1.75) , , (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1.25, SB calls $1.25

    Turn: ($4.25) (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $3.25, SB calls $3.25

    River: ($10.75) (2 players)
    SB bets $20

    hero thinks sets, 2 pairs would c/r turn . hero wanna fold cause he cant find enough combos that he beats and play like this except A9,9T but he can see a lot of 7x that can take this line.
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    What is a 16/14 supposed to limp/call with. You can rule out 8x cos preflop range, and 88 cos of river timing.

    2nd hand:
    1-liner on board, you no have straight.

    I fold both. Not particularly painful imo.


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    nice to see back around
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    nice to see you back around
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    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop

    UTG+1 ($24.93)
    MP1 ($25.35)
    MP2 ($25.81)
    CO ($25.07)
    Button ($37.06)
    Hero (SB) ($25)
    BB ($48.10)
    UTG ($26.63)

    villain is 23/20 AFq 28 in 968 hands

    Preflop: Hero is SB with ,
    4 folds, CO bets $0.65, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.55, 1 fold

    hero is sorry he didnt 3bet for values vs his opoening range in that position
    Flop: ($1.55) , , (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.25, CO raises to $4, [color=#CC3333]

    hero thinks QJ,QQ,JJ,KT,T8 and vs this we have 40% if we add J9,AA,KK we get to 50%.

    so, hero is between shoving or folding, dont think calling is an option here cause lots of scary turns.
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    saw flop

    MP2 ($10.05)
    MP3 ($24.19)
    CO ($24)
    Button ($28.33)
    SB ($26.57)
    Hero (BB) ($25.87)
    UTG ($25)
    UTG+1 ($25.15)
    MP1 ($12.88)


    CO is 18/12 AFq 40 in 4047 hands, fold 40% to 3bet
    SB is 11/7 AFq 67 in 156 hands, fold 75% to 3bet

    Preflop: Hero is BB with ,
    5 folds, CO bets $0.75, 1 fold, SB calls $0.65, Hero raises to $3.75, CO calls $3, SB calls $3

    Flop: ($11.25) , , (3 players)
    SB checks,
    Hero bets $7
    for value vs QQ,TT,99 some AK non-believer,
    CO raises to $16.25 (All-In), SB raises to $28.82 (All-In),

    hero thinks: WTF?! and really wanna fold this.
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    I feel like Hand 1 is close to a call. I think he should at least consider raising the turn with a boat, the quick call on the turn is more like a draw.

    Hand 3 I'd 3-bet the flop to like $9, I think your range for him is way too tight there, he could also have several combos of AQ and pair+SDs like KQ/QT/JT.

    AA hand, I'd bet the flop a bit smaller.
    Last edited by baudib; 09-24-2011 at 06:56 AM.
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  8. #8
    Did I play with you HU yesterday at 50NL? Some dude called Razvan something or other.
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    I'd call 1 and fold 2 pretty happily.

    In 1, if he has 44-88 and 87s, we have more than enough equity and that never acounts for dumb ass spazz with air or some other hand he has no idea how to play like 99 (not that these are likely) but yeah it's closer than I first though but I'd still call.

    In 2 you're just crushed.
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    no way, i cant play HU, i dont know how and for sure aint trying 50 until i get 5BB/100 over 50k+ hands on 25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razvan729 View Post
    no way, i cant play HU, i dont know how and for sure aint trying 50 until i get 5BB/100 over 50k+ hands on 25
    5BB is pretty hard to obtain even at 25NL. If you're beating 25NL by even 2-3BB I'd take a shot at 50 provided you're rolled. Seems like you're holding yourself back a bit to be honest by setting goals like that.
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    holding back because of confidence boost. there are a lot of concepts i still need to understand in practice and i need a lot more experience and patience before i go to 50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters View Post
    I'd call 1 and fold 2 pretty happily.
    yep
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    You need 29% equity in hand 1. I'd fold because his range is full houses (small pairs).

    H2 - definitely fold.

    H3 - $10/call

    H4 - 22% equity needed overall, call.
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    in H3 99 set on QJ9 do we 3bet flop for value vs his OESD,2pair, pair+OESD, overpairs and call a 4bet shove w/ 30% equity vs nutted range ( sets/straights) w/ 28% pot odds needed.

    seems reasonable.
    i am not sure tho if a villain w/ his Afq 28 in over 900 hands does raise here overpairs and pair+OESD type hands.
    my image on 25nl isnt a agrro one and i havent spewed often, my range here is mostly QJ,99 and there is nothing else he would put me on since i would always 3bet pre JJ+, AQ. KQ,JT i would c/c 90% of times and sometimes c/r here .i dont bluff that often and havent been caught by him when i did. so raising me w/ less then 2 pairs in this spot is kinda dumb cause there is nothing i fold here to a raise when i donk w/ that bet.

    maybe i am giving to much credit to 25nl players.

    anyway 3bet/call seems ok.
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    I mean really, c'mon. you have a set on a two-broadway board vs. a LP raiser. What do you expect him to do with AQ, KK-AA here? To suggest that he has to put you on top 2+ when you lead into him is silly; if that's true you should start donking more so PFRs will fold overpairs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razvan729 View Post
    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop

    UTG+1 ($24.93)
    MP1 ($25.35)
    MP2 ($25.81)
    CO ($25.07)
    Button ($37.06)
    Hero (SB) ($25)
    BB ($48.10)
    UTG ($26.63)

    villain is 23/20 AFq 28 in 968 hands

    Preflop: Hero is SB with ,
    4 folds, CO bets $0.65, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.55, 1 fold

    hero is sorry he didnt 3bet for values vs his opoening range in that position
    Flop: ($1.55) , , (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.25, CO raises to $4, [color=#CC3333]

    hero thinks QJ,QQ,JJ,KT,T8 and vs this we have 40% if we add J9,AA,KK we get to 50%.

    so, hero is between shoving or folding, dont think calling is an option here cause lots of scary turns.
    I like bet/3bet against given villain

    Plus move up - your WR is not really attainable unless you are sick good, and youll find 50nl is pretty awful on stars anyway - eurodonks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001 View Post
    I like bet/3bet against given villain

    Plus move up - your WR is not really attainable unless you are sick good, and youll find 50nl is pretty awful on stars anyway - eurodonks
    hmm, as you can see i am not that good but i still manage 2.4 ptbb/100 in aprox 70k hands playin 18/15 AFq 43, 57% flop cbet, 78% fold to cbet, 4% 3bet, 69% fold to 3bet and 33% ATS over aprox 70k hands. dont have BR for 50nl cause i cash out weekly, but you say that my WR is good enough to move up? i syill kinda lack confidence yet and still think have a lot more to work before i go up
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    so, hero is between shoving or folding, dont think calling is an option here cause lots of scary turns.
    You need to stop being such an absurd nit sir.
  20. #20
    Please don't ever donk/fold sets vs CO opens, ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    I mean really, c'mon. you have a set on a two-broadway board vs. a LP raiser. What do you expect him to do with AQ, KK-AA here? To suggest that he has to put you on top 2+ when you lead into him is silly; if that's true you should start donking more so PFRs will fold overpairs.
    yes, i rarely donk less then 2pair w/ that size. but maybe they aint that good to realize that. good players could easylly read my bet from my sizing and this is another aspet of my game that needs improvement, havent balanced my ranges and sizings yet since i found no reason to do it up to know, but i am aware to do it if i want to improve my game
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  22. #22
    So when you donk, do people fold a lot?

    Move up to where they don't respect your raises.
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  23. #23
    You don't need to donk a lot for people to raise 2 pair or overpairs on wet boards.

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