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    Default First Analysis of Player

    This is my first thread on analysis of a villain i see at the tables the most, building off of the work on the foundation course im starting by looking at his PFR in EP, MP and LP/ATS, trying to figure out a calling range and three betting range against this player preflop.

    Villain Stats

    VPIP 19 PFR 13 FST 75 AST 27
    3Bet 2.5 Fold3BET 46 UOBut 29
    Cbet 53

    EP PFR Range 23% (from Equilab)

    22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 64s+, 54s, A8o+, KJo+, QJo

    GapPrinciple (a theory i got from phil gordons books) My calling range to be ahead of his EP PFR Range 48%-52% (his range v my range)

    TT-88, ATs-A8s, KJs+, QJs, AJo-A9o, Kqo

    3Betting Range 48%-52% (his range v my range)

    JJ+, AK, AQ, AJs for value and 77-22, A7s-A2s, A8o-A5o as bluffs can add SC's and GSC's as bluffs a percentage of the time

    From the hands at showdown equilab as him at a range of 23% but his PFR stat is only 13% have i made a mistake here somewhere, are the bluff three bets wise against a player with a fold to 3bet 46%, the villain seems to value SC's and GSC's even from an EP position.

    MP PFR Range 24% (from Equilab)

    22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 64s+, 53s+, A8o+, KJo+, QTo+

    Gap Principle My Calling Range 50%-50% (his range v my range)

    TT-88, ATs-A8s, KJs+, QJs, AJo-A9o, KJo+

    3 Betting Range 47%-53% (his range v my range)

    JJ+, AK, AQ, AJs for value and 77-22, A7s-A2s, A8o-A5o as bluffs can add SC's and GSC's as bluffs a percentage of the time

    As his range widens our calling range adds KJo, I could leave this hand out of the calling range to be further ahead also


    LP PFR Range 27% (from Equilab) ATS 27

    22+, A2s+, K8s+, Q8s+, J8s+, J4s, T8s+, T4s, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, A5o+, KTo+, QJo, T8o

    Gap Principle My Calling Range 49.5%-50.5% (his range v my range)

    TT-88, ATs-A8s, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, AJo-A9o, KTo+, QTo+

    3 Betting Range 46%-54% (his range v my range)

    JJ+, AK, AQ, AJs for value and 77-22, A7s-A2s, A8o-A5o as bluffs can add SC's and GSC's as bluffs a percentage of the time

    Whether we are oop in the blinds or IP on the button these ranges could tighten

    What I plan to do next is look at what hands he folds to the three bet and what he will continue with, Fold to 3bet 46% and how these ranges play out on the flop versus different board textures
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    Nice work man!

    One thing you could further improve is implementing the playability of hands into your considerations and ranges.

    For example A6o against KJs with the first having slightly more equity theory wise.
    But in reality KJs will be way easier to play until river.

    The same counts for situations when you give villain a range. Sure using equilab is a good choice but you should finetune the ranges everytime and not just for example 23%.

    For instance: removing lower offsuited aces and picking suited broadways.
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    This looks good, but make sure that you're stepping back from your in-depth analysis to try to figure out more general terms about how he thinks about poker.
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    In relation to "more general terms of how he thinks about poker", is this like this stat range likes to play a wide range of hands even some weaker suited hands in a fit or fold type of play, calling three bets wide in hopes of out flopping people, a got to be in it to win it type situation,

    im not sure if i fully understand what you mean, thanks for your input and for your work creating the foundation course spoon
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    I forgot to ask if this is for six-max or full-ring games.
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    Okay here we go. I'm going to run down a handful of points that will probably be useful to you:

    • In full-ring, the numbers are scaled down a little bit in terms of some of the pre-flop stats. A typical tight/aggressive player who is 21/17 in 6-max who opened the same things from the same positions (based on # of seats from the button) would run something like 15/12 in full-ring. As a general rule, multiply the full-ring VPIP/PFR by 1.5 to get their equivalent in six-max. (I tended to prefer full-ring myself.)
    • When there is a large gap between the VPIP and PFR, that generally indicates a loose/passive player. There are some exceptions to this if the player is very aggressive post-flop, but 99 times out of 100, it would indicate a loose/passive. For example, your 19/13 here would be about 29/20 or so in six-max.
    • Comparing the PFR and steal percentage (ATS) helps you to determine how positionally aware the player is. By positionally aware, I mean that the larger the ATS is compared to the PFR, the more hands the player is going to play from late position compared to early position. Note that the ATS stat is determined by the percentage of time the player open raises from the CO, BU and SB seats, so this would actually translate directly from six-max to full-ring (a 30% ATS in one means a 30% ATS in the other for the most part).
    • For his 3-betting range, you have to look at the positions and situations that he's 3-betting from. He's not going to just 3-bet the same hands in all situations. The range of {QQ+, AK} is about 2.6 percent, so he's probably calling pre-flop with AK/QQ in some situations and 3-bet bluffing here and there in some situations based on the showdown hands you described and his 3-bet stat.
    • Note that he does not fold to 3-bets very often. This is a key characteristic of the loose/passive. It's interesting how you can largely determine how he'll react to 3-bets by his VPIP/PFR in this situation.
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    to Answer one of the questions you put in the OP , 3bet bluffing against a tight EP range with an opponent who doesn't fold enough is a recipe to burn money. in fact bluffing at the micros is generally a bad idea as the generic fault of micro players is that they call too much. You exploit this by betting bigger when you have a good hand and extract fat valueand minimise the amount you lose when you don't have a hand by not bluffing. As you move up the stakes you will adapt this so that you can bluff those that fold too much or bet for value against those that call too much.
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    cheers for the replies lads

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