Discussion: Taking Breaks and Avoiding Tilt

RE: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=27258

Since tilting is usually playing too many hands there are signs that you are on tilt
1. You see more flops then you usually do
2. You see more showdowns then you usually do
3. You lose a shitload of money

Good post . I know i'm tilting when I call all in's on flush draws caus 'if everyone else is doin' it why cant I?'

great post buddy!

Originally Posted by TLR

Since tilting is usually playing too many hands there are signs that you are on tilt
1. You see more flops then you usually do
2. You see more showdowns then you usually do
3. You lose a shitload of money

4. You think everyone is bluffing

Signs That You Are On Tilt

1. You see more flops then you usually do
2. You see more showdowns then you usually do
3. You lose a shitload of money
4. You think everyone is bluffing

5. You lose your stack with KK and an A on the flop because KK is the first good hand you've had in days.

Originally Posted by Pelion

Signs That You Are On Tilt

1. You see more flops then you usually do
2. You see more showdowns then you usually do
3. You lose a shitload of money
4. You think everyone is bluffing

5. You lose your stack with KK and an A on the flop because KK is the first good hand you've had in days.

^^ #5 should just be that you call too much.

Originally Posted by Les_Worm

Originally Posted by Pelion

Signs That You Are On Tilt

1. You see more flops then you usually do
2. You see more showdowns then you usually do
3. You lose a shitload of money
4. You think everyone is bluffing

5. You lose your stack with KK and an A on the flop because KK is the first good hand you've had in days.

^^ #5 should just be that you call too much.

6. You average 5+ posts a day, everyday for 18 months. Time that could be better spent outside, in the fresh air, with your wife, husband, SO or friends...ahh, who am I kidding, we would just spend it playing poker anyways.

ya, if you're losing money and it's not to bad beats, take a quick look at how you're playing.

Originally Posted by jmontis

ya, if you're losing money and it's not to bad beats, take a quick look at how you're playing.

It'll proll be like this 'hmmm i'm beat so ALL IN then!' Very laggy table so could bank on the check raise and and getting tilty as i wasnt getting any results! Immediatly after the guy who won left and the other 1 who busted followed him and i died a little inside! Ugly Ugly stuff!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP ($72.20)
CO ($20)
Button ($38.25)
SB ($40.20)
Hero ($61.65)
UTG ($47.95)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 8. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, CO (poster) checks, Button calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: ($2.75) 8, K, J (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets $3, CO folds, Button calls $3, Hero raises to $19, UTG folds, MP calls $16, Button calls $16.

Turn: ($59.75) 4 (3 players)
Hero bets $42.15 (All-In), MP calls $42.15, Button calls $18.75 (All-In).

River: ($162.80) 3 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $162.80

Results in white below:
Hero has 8s 8c (three of a kind, eights).
MP has Qh 7h (flush, queen high).
Button has 2h 6h (flush, jack high).
Outcome: MP wins $162.80.

This post should be stickified

Awesome post dude, it's helpful even to seasoned players. Somebody sticky this!

Thanks for the kind compliments guys.

Glad the post helped.

{Stickied}

Awsome post and recommendations. I would have to say that tilt is the main benefactor keeping me from being a winning player. I am finally beginning to manage my bankroll right, but I blow through it because of tilt. Once I can back away from the game and do something to forget about the bad beats for a while, I will begin to see my neg balance refurbish and eventually become a profitable player. Thanks again for this enlightening post.

I hope everything is all well with Dwarfman.

All my best wishes for him.

Hi,

Im releasing software soon that

1) Allows you to incorporate a stop loss system and set a value for:
a) $ Won
b) $ Lost
c) Hands Played
d) Hours Played

So you might set a stop loss of losing $300 or a stop/loss where youve played for 2 hours consecutively

2) When you reach the the limit aka stop/loss for a,b,c or d our software gives you 4 minutes to close your poker client, if you dont close down by that time it forces you to close it

3) You normally set a stop loss break time, that might be 1 hour, 2 hour or even 10 hours, whatever it takes you to overcome your tilt, everyone is different, if you try and login to any of the poker sites you added originally in settings during the lockout time it will quickly shut them down again.

4) It wont effect anything else on your computer only lockout of the pokersites for the time you specified, if you dont add the site in settings it wont lock you out of that site, only the ones you specified.

5) Weve thought of all the ways you might try to bypass in the heat of the moment like changing the time, uninstall and reinstall the poker client, uninstall our software, change the database etc etc and weve made it extremely hard to bypass it. The idea is to make it difficult but not impossible and most people wont even bother trying to bypass once there forced to close down.

6) The idea came from me like many other poker players tilting and losing alot of buyins, i have created a calculator which calculates what your bb/100 is after you hit certain limits like x buyins downswing, x buyin upswing, after you played x amount of hands or played for x amount of hours, what youll find is that as the session gets longer or youve won or lost 2-3+ buyins your winrate will decrease noticeably, using this software you can figure out how long or how much of downswing you can take before it effects your game

7) The actual software isnt released yet that stops you playing past the stop/loss but the savings calculator is working fine. The actual software will be released late November 2009 i.e a couple of days. The reason we need the software is simple, the urge to continue playing is usually extremely hard to overcome just like any other addictive habit so we need to force ourselves to stop.

You can read more at the software forum on 2+2 just look for tilt demon as i cant post links here and you can pm me if youve any questions.

Im know this isnt for everyone and some people would rather find a permanent cure rather than taking the easy way out and i agree that it wise but it should certainly help as doing something regularly reinforces it in the mind and makes it easier plus you should be able to narrow down when your most susceptible to tilt using the calculator and try and be more aware of it which should also help in preventing tilt.

Take it form someone who has had many difficulties with and BR's lost to issues with stop losses. It's not a physical problem, it's a mental problem. If you don't want the tables to shut down they won't. No software or gimmick in the world except having my internet provider stopping me from accessing the site would keep me from playing when I am on tilt and trying to get unstuck. You have to understand the reasons for stop loss and actually see the difference stopping can make. Installing any type of AHK or program will never solve the demon. I found the solution and it's not on my computer.

To a certain extent i agree and there are lots of different types of tilters so you cant really say this will work for everyone or wont work for anyone.

In my case tilt is pretty silent and unnoticeable, i don't scream or get angry i just lapse in concentration, take too many risks and generally play below my best. Sometimes i slip into a worse tilt where i'm already on a bad run and this is the stage that often turns into a blowout session of 6+ buyins down.

For me i often feel like i want to stop, i recognise im tilting but then try and reassure myself that i can just concentrate and turn things around but this is rarely what happens, i make loose calls, i play overly aggro and stop my thought processes.

This program isnt a simple AHK script, its a windows application and theres alot of thought and continuing thought going into making it difficult to bypass, just like the net monitoring systems people put in place for their children, the vast majority of users would have a hard job bypassing this when its in lockout mode however i do agree that more experienced users would eventually figure out how to bypass it, we will keep making it harder though.

But from my experience if someone physically stopped me playing then its enough for me to go, well i was better off quiting. I wanted to stop but couldnt but on occasion i would get disconnected as i had alot of problems with it, when i got disconnected for some reason 70% of my table i would lose my seat, whenever this happened i couldnt be bothered to log in again and try and find more tables to play on but if i wasnt logged off then i would have continued to play, for me i needed that physical push.

But i fully accept if people go above and beyond then this may not be the answer for them, there will always be a free trial so i suggest see if it works if not then at least you gave it a shot and you'd nothing to lose

I think the software could be helpful for some and I would be interested in beta testing it.

Currently I use an alarm clock I downloaded to let me know when my session is up. I no longer check PT every 30 seconds and it is helping me with emotional issues.

Yeah some suggested a feature to add to Tilt Demon where it would stop you checking your balance during a session, like it or not how much were up or down does influence our decisions and as you point out thats not a good thing. Now since the $won and bb/100 show up in so many tabs in Holdem Manager it would be extremely hard to physically block it so my idea was to offer a setting in full tilt where you could set it to block seeing the $won or bb/100 for the next 30,60,90 mins or whatever you specify. During this time Tiltdemon will inject bogus hands every 20-40 hands played with a random amount won or lost between 20-80bb. So you can feel free to check the $won and lost if you want but it wont be any way accurate, it could be +300bb or -300bb or even more or less, so it is pointless to bother checking and the plan would be after a while youd get into a routine of not checking as its a waste of time.

After the 1 hour or whatever time you specified is up you will get a notification and it will automatically purge the bogus hand histories and your balance can now be checked. This seems like the best solution i can think of currently. The guys at holdem manager would be able to access the backend code and offer and option to not show the balance for x amount of time but since there already extremely busy i dont think its something well soon so i think it would be a useful addition to Tilt Demon. If you want to beta test i recommend googling the software name or the word tilt prevention to get a link to the website as im not allowed to post links here and email me so i have your details handy. It should be ready for beta testing very soon, actually i anticipated it would be already in beta testing but got a small delay. Anyway thanks for stopping by to comment

When I was having issues, I wrote a small AHK that keeps me from opening HM. It stayed minimized. Only as a reminder for when I tried to look out of habit.

Yeah its a good idea however a lot of people now use the Table Scanner and theres often other stuff they might be checking (although they should be concentrating on playing:P ) The hud might crash and they need to relaunch it, or add or remove a stats etc

Plus you can cheat now as HM displays the won/lost figure in the Table Manager Icon if you hover over it and afaik you cant disable it although alot of people have requested this.

I find it that calling the moron, the idiot the mofo and so on... to mr. 3 outer in chat usually helps me to tilt less.

I do however lose chat privileges from time to time.

Originally Posted by Sir Pawnalot

I hope everything is all well with Dwarfman.

All my best wishes for him.

Many thanks Sir Pawnalot - all is good!