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    Default Did I do anything wrong here?

    (note: this is rush poker)

    $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
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    Stacks:
    UTG gioele65 ($5.07)
    UTG+1 LeandroK ($1.95)
    MP1 jackblack82 ($4.18)
    MP2 Kingluchs ($5.33)
    MP3 Duplet444 ($2.02)
    CO Mr Sander ($5.99)
    BTN Sheval_RUSS ($2.87)
    SB PempeLT ($1.38)
    BB Hero ($9.68)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 9 players) Hero is BB
    gioele65 raises to $0.10, 7 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, gioele65 calls $0.15

    Flop: ($0.52, 2 players)
    Hero bets $0.35, gioele65 calls $0.35

    Turn: ($1.22, 2 players)
    Hero bets $0.85, gioele65 calls $0.85

    River: ($2.92, 2 players)
    Hero checks, gioele65 bets $3.25, Hero folds

    Final Pot: $6.17

    gioele65 wins $5.98 (net +$1.28)

    Hero lost $1.45

    I honestly just don't know what in fuck he has. He may have had a smaller set, Ax, flat called my turn c-bet when he made his flush etc. I'm pretty sure that giving up on the river was the right thing to do, just asking you guys if I should've bet thinly on the river. It seemed pretty spewy though, so meh
    Last edited by dudeman; 05-17-2011 at 08:18 PM.
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    raise way more preflop. as a standard amount at the microstakes, i'd make your 3bets 3x the original raise plus 1x for each caller when in position. and 4x the original raise +1x for each caller when out of position. that's not necessarily optimal. but it's a decent guideline for the micros.

    you're going to get no useful advice at all really unless you provide some stats/reads for your opponent in this hand. also attempt to put him on a range on every street.
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    What have your actions been recently?
    What are the villains stats?

    The reason I ask is that the line that the villain took looks like the ol' double float and steal on the river. I love to use that line against really aggressive opponents and that flop was perfect for it.

    That being said, his minraise preflop makes him look like an idiot, so what kind of a range will a fishy idiot minraise with that'll call you to the river?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm View Post
    raise way more preflop. as a standard amount at the microstakes, i'd make your 3bets 3x the original raise plus 1x for each caller when in position. and 4x the original raise +1x for each caller when out of position. that's not necessarily optimal. but it's a decent guideline for the micros.

    you're going to get no useful advice at all really unless you provide some stats/reads for your opponent in this hand. also attempt to put him on a range on every street.
    Villains minraise UTG can mean almost anything: suited connectors, small/medium pocket pairs, Ax and so on and so force. The only thing I doubt he had was AJ+, JK+ etc etc. I only 3bet him 2.5x because, well now that I look back it was pretty stupid: if he had suited connectors, he could've folded to my c-bet if didn't hit anything, and he wouldn't have re-raised me like I was hoping he would do if he had pocket pairs. I was pretty sure he wasn't going to 4-bet me, I think I just wanted him to get involved (not a good reason, I know)

    On the flop I was pretty psyched. But giving villain a range here is quite tough: the fact that he just called me is a little disturbing because he could either be slowplaying a smaller set (good thing), or (most likely) was hoping to hit his gutshot straight draw and/or his flush draw. Or he could just have TPTK or 2pair, but I sort of doubt it, the turn bet call was too drawy for a call. When a 3rd club found itself on the turn, which also could complete numerou straight draws in villains range, I was unsure of what to do here. As I was OOP, I bet around 75% of the pot in hopes that he would fold. He didn't, and a 2 showed on the river, which is really the worst card possible. In rush poker, everyone fucking plays their aces like pocket pairs, and I was certain that I was pretty much beat here. With the 2 calls on both the flop and turn bets, and with such a disastrous river card, it was very unlikely that I beat any of his range which he would have called the turn bet with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dudeman View Post
    In rush poker, everyone fucking plays their aces like pocket pairs, and I was certain that I was pretty much beat here.
    did I miss that in the OP or did you forget to mention that this was rush?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shotglass View Post
    did I miss that in the OP or did you forget to mention that this was rush?
    Oh fuck woops, I thought that weaktight would mention that it was Rush poker as it was mentioned in the hand history, my bad :/

    edit: It wasn't even mentioned in the hand history, only the table name, must've forgotten then, my bad again
    Last edited by dudeman; 05-17-2011 at 08:19 PM.
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    min raise preflop can mean a lot of things and you give him decent implied odds, raise harder, making his error in calling bigger.

    Flop is wet, villain can make this play with 67s so 15 out draw is possible, so again bet larger, making his error bigger.

    betting thinly on the river is debatable, depends heavily on the player, your guy is either a station with a flush or straight, or he's a slow rolling douche with a set. I hate this situation, getting stuck out of position with loads of made hands in villains range. Also think that if you bet stronger on all previous streets you make yourself look more committed meaning that bluffing you would be a stupid idea because its a cheap call for you.

    As played I think you have to fold.
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    Raise more pre, pot sized. $0.35 or $0.40.

    Put him on a river range and figure out if it's +EV to call.

    Seriously if he really had a set or AK he'd have to be a complete dumb to bet the river like this when every conceivable draw has completed. Any A has a straight and there is 3 to a flush on the board. He'd also have raised a set earlier than that imo.

    You could argue for a blocking bet on the river I suppose, if you're worried to get bluffed.
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    Hand looks completely standard other than a slightly larger raise preflop to like .35. Nice hand, it's good to see some people being able to fold top set every now and then.
    [00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
    [00:30] <DC> daven
    [00:30] <DC> on my hand?
    [00:30] <daven> yep
    [00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
    [00:30] <daven> nice reason
    [00:30] <daven> no further questions
    [00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by daviddem View Post
    You could argue for a blocking bet on the river I suppose, if you're worried to get bluffed.
    That'd be a pretty thin argument since every draw available has completed.

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