Continuation betting.
Discuss.
07-07-2010 05:42 PM
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Continuation BettingContinuation betting. | |
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07-07-2010 06:02 PM
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Continuation betting QJhh on 8h42 > Continuation betting QJhh on 742(no heart) |
07-07-2010 06:09 PM
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07-07-2010 07:38 PM
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i'll take the fact that you deleted my post as an indication that you're intimidated by me | |
07-07-2010 08:02 PM
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Cbetting is cool. Idk what to talk about further... | |
07-07-2010 08:15 PM
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trolling freetrollers
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it is good to c-bet with a plan |
Last edited by daven; 07-07-2010 at 08:18 PM.
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07-07-2010 08:19 PM
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07-07-2010 08:28 PM
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One thing I've been working on lately is trying to analyze each opportunity to cbet as its own unique situation and to pick better spots rather than just auto betting. This means I'm trying to look at the board texture and at the type of opponent I'm up against and determine how much of his range connected with a flop and how hard it connected. | |
07-07-2010 08:32 PM
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Having someone who check/calls cbets with mid and small pocket pairs is money in the bank. Don't fire the flop unless you plan on firing the turn. This can change depending on the turn card obviously, but I don't ever just think of cbetting and shutting down. Either I shut down because of the flop or I am planing on two streets at least. | |
07-07-2010 08:46 PM
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07-07-2010 09:00 PM
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07-07-2010 09:05 PM
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Actually everyone who said something about the hand was "right" but not didn't give enough reasons as to why they are right. You all were kind of close though. |
07-07-2010 09:08 PM
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Don't underestimate Backdoor draws, they are equivelent to another out, about 4% so 8% is huge when comparing one board to another. Having what could equate to two overs (6outs) and two backdoor draws (2 outs) is the almost the same as an OESD as far as equity depending on villains range. | |
07-07-2010 09:10 PM
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07-07-2010 09:25 PM
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Reason 1. More equity from bd draws. | |
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07-07-2010 09:29 PM
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Almost, you can also double barrel a J/Q/K/A, J/Q obviously gives us top pair and very likely the best hand, K/A are good/scary barrel cards. |
07-07-2010 09:34 PM
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07-07-2010 09:39 PM
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niiice. That is really helpful, thanks for throwing up the example. Question: how important is player type vs. board texture considerations like this? What I mean is that it seems to me that your opponent is more important than the board/your barreling options. | |
07-07-2010 09:40 PM
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07-07-2010 10:17 PM
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obviously player type is very important...people who will never fold are not good people to bluff cbet/2barrel but are probably great to cbet pp's and middle pairs for value against. | |
07-07-2010 10:37 PM
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Well I think in the first example you should be continuation betting versus almost any opponent unless they are completely batshit insane and are raising all your continuation bets or are NEVER folding to continuation bets/2barrels or even 3barrels for that matter. People who never fold the flop but fold the turn quite a bit are good players to c-bet versus in this example. |
07-07-2010 11:40 PM
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CBetting principle #1: Just do it. | |
07-08-2010 12:20 AM
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07-08-2010 02:50 AM
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When I C bets . |
07-08-2010 11:06 AM
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I dont get it. | |
07-08-2010 11:29 AM
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btw, the whole "let's start a thread about cbetting thing" started with me saying i'm prolly gonna make a long one at some point, so i still might do that. | |
Last edited by surviva316; 07-08-2010 at 12:34 PM. | |
07-08-2010 11:54 AM
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I didnt realise I was so far off the mark , for the record , here was my reasoning. |
Last edited by celtic123; 07-08-2010 at 12:19 PM. | |
07-08-2010 12:35 PM
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Pick your spots better. Against a calling station, you want fat value. J2o vs. top 80% of hands (according to poker stove) only has 40% equity preflop. Where is the value? | |
07-08-2010 12:54 PM
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Yes. small value indeed. I can only apologize for such a bad example of C betting . Ill try and come across another and bring the thread back on track. |
07-08-2010 01:32 PM
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Definition from FTR: After raising and taking control of the pot pre-flop, Most players use a continuation bet on the flop regardless of their cards because their opponent only has a chance of about 1/3 of hitting a pair on the flop if they have unpaired cards. | |
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07-08-2010 03:37 PM
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The value is in the fact that our opponent sucks and we have position and preflop equity isn't going to be as important since we have initiative + position. That said, opening J2o is probably a bit too loose until you developed some reads or at least have realized he's calling and playing fit or fold postflop. Also don't just start opening any trash hand versus bad opponents because we have position and initiative! |
07-08-2010 04:40 PM
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You have no fold equity against a calling station, so cbetting as a bluff is pointless. Since you can't bluff to win the pot, you have to win through value. How often are you planning on betting J2o for value on the flop? What % of flops are actually good for your hand, where your bet expects to be called by more worse hands than better? Your preflop equity is a good indicator of how your hand will play against someone that can't find the fold button. | |
07-08-2010 04:46 PM
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Did you even read my entire post? |
07-08-2010 06:13 PM
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Anyone else think yAAwn is just trying to be the 1mirrionth post? | |
07-08-2010 06:36 PM
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Obviously that's my ploy :P Just a coincidence imo |
07-08-2010 06:42 PM
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Yaawn, yalp. | |
07-08-2010 06:50 PM
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No I said in my post J2o is probably a bit too loose but I would definately open J2s(obviously) and almost certainly open J6o+. If he's a TOTAL station post you want to play as many pots in position as you possibly can since he's probably passive and will give us lots of free cards and whenever we make a pair/2pair/trips we can value town the shit out of him. Trying to play lots of pots with bad players is something you should always be aiming for, there's no reason not to. |
07-08-2010 06:51 PM
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But enough about that the thread is completely derailed but if you want to start a new thread on "Why we want to play lots of pots with bad players" go ahead. |
07-08-2010 08:29 PM
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In what instances do we not C-bet in order to maximize value when our hand is strong? Give examples if necessary. | |
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07-09-2010 08:08 PM
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When villain has a high fold to cbet% and we have a good hand on a dry board. So a 18/8 villain limp/calls from MP with his range being mostly sm-mid PPs. We isolate with AJ from the BU and flop is A72. | |
Last edited by donkfish; 07-09-2010 at 08:12 PM. | |
07-09-2010 08:17 PM
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07-09-2010 08:34 PM
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Last edited by StarGrinder; 07-09-2010 at 11:01 PM. | |
07-10-2010 09:48 AM
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Good ideas Donkfish. Underepping our hand to get value on later streets from hands that can't stand flop action is a good example. | |
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07-10-2010 10:13 AM
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07-10-2010 11:10 AM
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