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    ok well the villain just joined the table and posted dead. anyway i isolate , i flop good but superwet flop obv so i just bet value/protection . thought i could still beat alot of hands on turn hence why i bet vs what looked like another donk. is there anyway i could have played it differently looking at stacksizes? i hate chechking there , but when i bet i'm pretty much commiited right.

    thnx


    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button ($4.93)
    Hero (SB) ($6.55)
    BB ($6)
    UTG ($4.18)
    MP ($5)
    CO ($3)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A, Q
    1 fold, MP calls $0.05, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, MP calls $0.15, CO (poster) calls $0.15

    Flop: ($0.65) A, Q, J (3 players)
    Hero bets $0.46, 1 fold, CO calls $0.46

    Turn: ($1.57) 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.12, CO raises to $2.34 (All-In), Hero calls $1.22

    River: ($6.25) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $6.25 | Rake: $0.30
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    Yeh you only need 20% equity to call this on the turn, we easily have that against his range here. His stack makes bet sizing awkward, but I wouldn't bet anything less than what you did here, if anything bet bigger. We're getting value from a ton of hands, he rarely ever has a set having checked preflop and the only other hands that beat us are T9 and KT.
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    Looks good. I like how you played it.

    You should try to put villain on a turn raising range and figure out your equity. Here I think you're often but not always behind but you are getting 4:1 and you do have some outs to the uber nuts. So definitely calling. By my calc, calling is worth roughly a dollar or a little more.
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    I don't know I don't see any ranges.
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    Yeah never ever fold here. A guy sticking in his last tiny fraction of the pot is a way different story from a full stacked passive fish taking a turn death line vs you. You have way more than enough equity vs an estimate of his range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmind View Post
    I don't know I don't see any ranges.
    kmind the reason why i didn't put up ranges is simply becuz the guy just sat down , the way the hand went down his range could obv be any 2 since i have zero information.

    i prefer describing the hand as best as i can i give villain's stats but assesing ranges is exactly why i post hh. i am by all means not very good at it so i like to hear people talk about ranges instead of saying ' well he has these hands in his range , i'm pretty sure of it' when i could be completely wrong and hence creating a bad discussion.
    i prefer other players thinking about ranges based on the information i hand out. and when i think i know a lil sumthing about someone's hand range then i will post that information but when i am highly insecure about it i don't really see the point to share my assumptions

    cheers
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    better to not give reads than to lie about them i guess lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    better to not give reads than to be wrong about them
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    better to not give reads than to lie about them i guess lol
    stop reading my soul
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLongGrind View Post
    ...i'm pretty sure of it' when i could be completely wrong and hence creating a bad discussion....
    cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquach991 View Post
    How is it creating a bad discussion if you are wrong?
    point taken , i dunno i feel really newbish at times so i rather just read the opinions of others and give people the stats and description of the situation. obv when i don't write down a 'range' it's because i'm clueless and there's no point in guessing without knowing why
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLongGrind View Post
    kmind the reason why i didn't put up ranges is simply becuz the guy just sat down , the way the hand went down his range could obv be any 2 since i have zero information.

    i prefer describing the hand as best as i can i give villain's stats but assesing ranges is exactly why i post hh. i am by all means not very good at it so i like to hear people talk about ranges instead of saying ' well he has these hands in his range , i'm pretty sure of it' when i could be completely wrong and hence creating a bad discussion.
    i prefer other players thinking about ranges based on the information i hand out. and when i think i know a lil sumthing about someone's hand range then i will post that information but when i am highly insecure about it i don't really see the point to share my assumptions

    cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmind View Post
    I understand but the only way you'll get better is by giving it a shot. I'm just giving you tough love. Don't take it personally, we just want you to get better. Keep posting HH!
    thnx man , i know i might sometimes appear to be an a-hole but that's just the internet lol.

    more hh will definately come , as y'all can see i could use some schooling
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    In poker we can make assumptions that if right more often than any other assumptioncan dictate the best course of play. We don't need lots of hands on anyone to estimatye a likely range of hands. Saying his range could be any two card because we don't know much about him may be potentially true on very rare occassions but will lead us to make assumptions which are true way less often than if we put him on a somewhat likely range.
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    true that carroters

    but basically with ' any 2 ' i'm talking about the preflop part vs a complete unknown, the flop and turn obvisouly narrows his range down , i'm bad but not that bad lol. figured their were alot of 2 pair types of hands and pair+ gutshot type of hands i was beating.

    i have to admitt , i'm struggling alot with the 'ranges ' part , probably gonna cut down on tables and try to think more indepth on every street until i no longer need to timebank every street on simple boards lol
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    how the fuck does he have ANY 2, you can discount every big PP nearly 100%, you can discount big broadways and aces a huge %. Then you have flop and turn actions. His range is FAR from any 2 the second he checks his post in the CO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters View Post
    In poker we can make assumptions that if right more often than any other assumptioncan dictate the best course of play. We don't need lots of hands on anyone to estimatye a likely range of hands. Saying his range could be any two card because we don't know much about him may be potentially true on very rare occassions but will lead us to make assumptions which are true way less often than if we put him on a somewhat likely range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet View Post
    how the fuck does he have ANY 2, you can discount every big PP nearly 100%, you can discount big broadways and aces a huge %. Then you have flop and turn actions. His range is FAR from any 2 the second he checks his post in the CO.
    probably i'm retarded but i certainly wouldn't discount , QJ Kj , QT , JT ,AJ , AT, and obviously KT , 9T, maybe some suited gappers and connectors thay gave him a fd as well.

    anyway i don't expect here to be good that often but often enuf to call the turn
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    Open HEM or PT and filter for hands that went to showdown. You may want to filter for hands where you won or lost >3bb.

    Decide to do this regularly and spend at least an hour doing it and don't be checking email, chatting, surfing porn, etc. while doing it.

    Use pokerstove see what kind of Equity against the range. Also open IRC if you have trouble with a hand post it in IRC.

    Eventually you will get to a point to where you can sometimes know the exact hand villian has. The first time I did this felt better than actually winning the hand. I even said "BAM" out loud. Now I have to start folding more when I am pretty sure that I know what villian has. Last night I had AQo on a Axxxr board and I was pretty sure villian had AK but I called his river bet anyway.

    In spoon's post about putting people on a range I whined about not being able to put people on a range because I don't know how to play poker. After he called me out for not putting in the time to learn how to and studying by reviewing HHs I decided it was time and spent about 4 hours on a Sunday afternoon doing this. You'll be surprised how much difference it makes. I do this regurlarly and spend at least 30 minutes before EVERY session doing this. If I'm too tired to do session review then I'm too tired to play a session.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquach991 View Post
    Decide to do this regularly and spend at least an hour doing it and don't be checking email, chatting, surfing porn, etc. while doing it.
    Well that does it. I just don't have time for poker any more if I have to give up porn.
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    i am using pokerstove i just find it difficult to asses the situation on the spot. comes with the experience i guess but ty for the tip anyways

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