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  1. #1

    Default Can anybody tell me

    why this is a clear value bet? Villian is 47/2


    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    9 Players

    Stacks:
    UTG ($502.82)
    UTG+1 ($496.20)
    MP1 ($400)
    Hero (MP2) ($564.83)
    MP3 ($280.15)
    CO ($301.10)
    BTN ($430.64)
    SB ($268)
    BB ($413.04)

    Pre-Flop: ($6, 9 players) Hero is MP2
    3 folds, Hero raises to $12 ($552.83), MP3 calls $12 ($268.15), CO calls $12 ($289.10), 1 fold, SB calls $10 ($256.00), 1 fold

    Flop: ($52, 4 players)
    SB checks ($256.00), Hero bets $39 ($513.83), 2 folds, SB calls $39 ($217.00)

    Turn: ($130, 2 players)
    SB bets $32 ($185.00), Hero raises to $129 ($384.83), SB calls $97 ($88.00)

    River: ($388, 2 players)
    SB checks ($88.00), Hero bets $88 ($296.83) ...
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    Because villains calling range has below 50% equity.
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    Because his line looks weak as hell, he's a short stack fish and villain is likely to call with any Tx
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    I would have shipped the turn. Curious why you didn't.

    That said, may as well stick it in because he's a tard who's calling the turn with a wide range and might even call the river without a pair.

    God I miss epic AJo call-downs.
    Last edited by Fnord; 04-24-2012 at 09:05 PM.
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    these are weak answers.
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    It's a clear value bet...

    Pre flop because we have the nuts,
    Flop because villain checks, meaning he very probably hasn't got a set and only two straight combos are not afraid of the spades, while there's tons of value from pps and fds,
    Turn because villain bets like a girl, probably hoping to see a cheap river, thus his range is hugely fd and pp heavy, ie hands that we beat and that call and want to continue,
    River because villain is married to the pot and is not folding any pair, while hands that beat us usually shove, especially at river with his remaining stack and pot size.

    If we're behind in this spot like ever, I'd be surprised. Also equally surprised if he folds. Seems pretty standard to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    It's a clear value bet...

    Pre flop because we have the nuts,
    Flop because villain checks, meaning he very probably hasn't got a set and only two straight combos are not afraid of the spades, while there's tons of value from pps and fds,
    Turn because villain bets like a girl, probably hoping to see a cheap river, thus his range is hugely fd and pp heavy, ie hands that we beat and that call and want to continue,
    River because villain is married to the pot and is not folding any pair, while hands that beat us usually shove, especially at river with his remaining stack and pot size.

    If we're behind in this spot like ever, I'd be surprised. Also equally surprised if he folds. Seems pretty standard to me.
    more or less. though to clarify, on the turn he'll never have stronger than top pair otherwise he'd go with it. making him have very few combinations of 2 pair or stronger hands, while thinking he is committed to call with any made hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    If we're behind in this spot like ever, I'd be surprised.
    He could have 37, 47 or 57 lol!
    Last edited by Fnord; 04-25-2012 at 02:01 PM.
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    this is why i probably still suck at poker...

    OOP i'd be c/c-ing this thinking he has some bluffs when i check ( busted FD, air) and he is value betting (?!) Tx besides his 6x.

    being IP i am checking back most times w/o notes he can call worse then mine.
    All posts are just my own opinion about a hand or a general situation... not advices on how you should play...
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    ongbonga had the best answer, yet doesn't play higher than 10nl

    #cantbelife
    [20:19] <Zill4> god
    [20:19] <Zill4> u guys
    [20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
    [20:19] <Zill4> and dumb
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyPoker View Post
    ongbonga had the best answer, yet doesn't play higher than 10nl

    #cantbelife
    Glad your back dude
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    I don't have a problem extracting value from easy-to-read fish. There's less of them at 25nl+.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickass View Post
    Glad your back dude


    Glad you're doing so well btw.
    [20:19] <Zill4> god
    [20:19] <Zill4> u guys
    [20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
    [20:19] <Zill4> and dumb
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    There's less of them at 25nl+.
    Sigh, I miss the days of Party 25NL where it played like Zynga poker.

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