Blind aggression wins pot - how to play this correctly?

I just started reviewing my sessions and I came across this horrifying hand. I took down a decent pot anyway but I am going to try and figure out the correct play in retrospect. Any feedback would be much appreciated!

I didn't have much of a read but the SB villain had a call open stat of 50% from SB (n=2) and a BR of 50 over 16 hands.

PokerStars Game #63621506250: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2011/06/21 17:39:37 CET [2011/06/21 11:39:37 ET]
Table 'Derice IV' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: MsNoPot ($4.70 in chips)
Seat 2: lovac forex ($15.31 in chips)
Seat 3: hero ($9.92 in chips)
Seat 4: Alvert ($16.02 in chips)
Seat 5: Fuchshai ($4.96 in chips)
Seat 7: Splint1985 ($18.94 in chips)
Seat 8: bleskunov ($4 in chips)
Seat 9: imaguu ($11.49 in chips)
lovac forex: posts small blind $0.05
hero: posts big blind $0.10
OxnersMom: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [Qd 8s]
Alvert: folds
Fuchshai: calls $0.10
Splint1985: folds
bleskunov: folds
imaguu: folds
MsNoPot: folds
lovac forex: calls $0.05
hero: checks
*** FLOP *** [2d Qc Jd]
lovac forex: bets $0.10
hero: calls $0.10
Fuchshai: folds
*** TURN *** [2d Qc Jd] [8d]
lovac forex: bets $0.26
hero: raises $0.66 to $0.92
lovac forex: raises $0.66 to $1.58
hero: raises $1.42 to $3
lovac forex: calls $1.42
*** RIVER *** [2d Qc Jd 8d] [Js]
lovac forex: checks
hero: bets $3
lovac forex: folds
Uncalled bet ($3) returned to hero
hero collected $6.18 from pot
hero: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.50 | Rake $0.32
Board [2d Qc Jd 8d Js]
Seat 1: MsNoPot (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: lovac forex (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 3: hero (big blind) collected ($6.18)
Seat 4: Alvert folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Fuchshai folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Splint1985 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: bleskunov folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: imaguu folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Here are my thoughts about playing this better:
- On flop: the min donk bet could try to induce a raise or be a weird teller/bluff bet. I'm putting SB on anything from a random Q, J, 22, flush draw or even Ace high.
Should I have raised to ~2BB here to get a better feel for the situation and punish a flush draw?
- Turn: Flush completes "for free" and I now put SB on Q, 22, J2, or a flush. His bet sizing seems to suggest the flush to me. A fold might have been best here?
I feel that I should probably just fold here. Instead I raised to find out opponents true strength. The threebet suggests he really has the flush. The weak fourbet on my part (not sure how to rationalize this one) does not trigger an all in so I assume SB does not have the Ace.
- River: with BR 50 and a lot of strength earlier I think it is more likely that SB is scared of the Ace high flush than him trying to induce a bet from me.
So the river bet is actually that only play I really like in this hand at this point. Maybe it should have been a little larger.

Overall, I realize that I played a huge pot with a very marginal hand so please let me know how this hand could have been played more correctly!

Many thanks

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Button ($4.70)
SB ($15.31)
Hero (BB) ($9.92)
UTG ($16.02)
UTG+1 ($4.96)
MP1 ($18.94)
MP2 ($4)
CO ($11.49)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, 8
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 4 folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.30) 2, Q, J (3 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.50) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $0.26, Hero raises to $0.92, SB raises to $1.58, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $1.42

River: ($6.50) J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, 1 fold

Total pot: $6.50 | Rake: $0.32

Thanks for converting this hand. BTW: with BB I meant big bets... is there a convention on if this is big blinds or big bets in this forum?

Hi. What's n= 2 and a BR of 50 ?

Instead I raised to find out opponents true strength.

This is not a good reason to raise. You mainly want to raise for value (worse hands will call) or as a bluff (better hands fold). Raising here would be for semi thin value since sets/straights/flushes won't fold but some worse hands like pair + diamond/J8/decent Qx will call.

raising for information is so 2004

Originally Posted by celtic123

Hi. What's n= 2 and a BR of 50 ?

Call open stat of 50% was based on only two occurrences (guess didn't have to mention it since I provided the 16 hands played).

BR is bet river.

Thanks for the input, HoopyDude. I realize this is basic stuff but very helpful to me at this point

a key thing to realise here is relative hand strength, you have two pair but consider what you accomplish with your bet. When you raise the turn you've turned your hand into a bluff.

This is a 3 way limped pot, which means he could have a very wide range, flushes, and even 9T are definately in his range. That small flop bet is usually some kind of draw.

On river when you bet absolutely nothings calling you there that you beat, so better to check behind,

it's easily done you've got 2 pair and think at last i can get value, but with these hands pot control is your friend, esp when he raises you on the turn, with completed straight and flush - tbh i'd fold at that point - but i'm a bit of a nit lately

Look @ Slev! Green rep and callin himself a nit! WAY 2 GO!

Its nice seeing a lot of the concepts we've been drumming into you coming out spontaneously Slev, well done.

some other comments are buy in for 100bb and set auto top up. On the river you have show down value , you say you think you should have bet more . Why is he going to call a bigger bet when he''s folded to the bet you made. If he had a hand that would call a bigger bet its likely to have you crushed.
What would you do if he had check raised you on the river ? especially if you had bet bigger? with straights and flushes possible you couldn't call but may well find that you price yourself into losing even more money . say you had bet $5 on the river , you'd have $1.70 ish left to call and a $16.50 pot .

Originally Posted by HoopyDude

This is not a good reason to raise. You Want to Raise for Value (worse hands will call) or as a bluff (better hands fold).

+1

simple thought
simple RULE !!!

Originally Posted by Keith

Its nice seeing a lot of the concepts we've been drumming into you coming out spontaneously Slev, well done.

some other comments are buy in for 100bb and set auto top up. On the river you have show down value , you say you think you should have bet more . Why is he going to call a bigger bet when he''s folded to the bet you made. If he had a hand that would call a bigger bet its likely to have you crushed.
What would you do if he had check raised you on the river ? especially if you had bet bigger? with straights and flushes possible you couldn't call but may well find that you price yourself into losing even more money . say you had bet $5 on the river , you'd have $1.70 ish left to call and a $16.50 pot .

thanks, yeah getting there coach!