Ask Da GOAT/Mr. 4,000

Ive hit 4,000 posts here and when I hit milestones I usually create a retarded post like this. This time though Ill take it a tad serious and send an open invitation to the beginners here t ask me a question. I rarely if ever visit BC so feel free to ask any poker questions, if you post HHs I will provide analysis or if you want some theory I will try.

Otherwise you holla!!

it took me over a year to realize you were not a goat, but da greatest of all time

have you seen West Ham have got Millwall in the Carling Cup? Not a poker question but there you go!

(I think you're Hammer! Apologies if not).

Congrats on your 4k posts.

FTR Reg Vs 2P2er. Who's better and why?

beer or whiskey?

Do you love me?

Originally Posted by iopq

Do you love me?

No, but he loves the she-male in your avatar.

bigred or rilla?

El oh El well-aments.

So i'll start the obv since no one else has.

Tell us your poker story!

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

it took me over a year to realize you were not a goat, but da greatest of all time

greater men have taken more time, well done!!

Originally Posted by WillburForce

have you seen West Ham have got Millwall in the Carling Cup? Not a poker question but there you go!

(I think you're Hammer! Apologies if not).

Congrats on your 4k posts.

Ha yea seen it on skysports.com, god help everyone. gonna be a crazy game, will try watch if on tv.

Originally Posted by Nutty McMutt

FTR Reg Vs 2P2er. Who's better and why?

FTR will always rule for coolness

As for whos better at poker then probably 2p2ers just based on sheer numbers.

Originally Posted by BigPapi

beer or whiskey?

this is tough, i prefer JD and coke when its late on and ive had a ton of beer already.

I mostly drink miller but get attached to bulmers. pear bulmers is acually alright imo

Originally Posted by iopq

Do you love me?

i love to hate you so much that i love you, hmm makes sense to me

do you have this clip bookmarked?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PuUflTcJzA

Originally Posted by XTR1000

bigred or rilla?

OH

NO

U

DID

NOT

GO

THERE

This is tough, I cant choose between my lovers, all I will say is OMGBIGRED is a cool username.

Originally Posted by Bbickes

El oh El well-aments.

So i'll start the obv since no one else has.

Tell us your poker story!

Simply, SNG->FR->6max

Grinded $100->$12500 BR with loads of withdrawals.

Originally Posted by drmcboy

do you have this clip bookmarked?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PuUflTcJzA

I do now, OMGSAMMYHAGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your strength seems to be your ability to put people on good ranges really quickly. How did you develop that?

Originally Posted by bjsaust

Your strength seems to be your ability to put people on good ranges really quickly. How did you develop that?

Hmm tough question.

Firstly I would say practice makes perfect but having said that most people know I only play like 10k hands at 6max a month. So perhaps its a case of my practices being of a better quality to others. I play no more than 4 tables, I read the forums, post my own hands and advise others even more, Ive had little coaching but do talk to some players at all levels.

I was trying to break 200nl a long time ago when I switch from 100nl full ring, with the level of competition at 200nl right now there was no way I was good enough for that level when I switched about 2-3 years ago. So Id say I slowly improved (i did stop playing to start with 1k in Feb 2008 and grinded 50nl up again). I think I took a big jump in the quality of my game around the time I started playing some HU 2 tables and I also got 1 coaching session from ISF, this forced me to think a hell of alot more about ranges than I ever previously did. Ranges are just so so important in poker that you gotta think real hard about them, I think alot of people put their opponents of too narrow a range and dont include some lesser obvious holdings thus play incorrectly most of the time. I still have to improve my hand reading AND also just as important my conclusions when processing opps hand. So playing HU for about a month at just 50nl sparked my mind to work harder than before.

Those thinking of trying HU should but dont make it your main game since the rake is nasty. Only after 200nl HU does rake become reasonable.

Ok think Ive answered that decently.

What is the acronym Renton hates?

Ok, a more serious one (though you may have answered this in the previous post).

What's one thing in or outside of the tables that you would recommend for newish players to do in order to foster their growth as players in the long term?

Originally Posted by Gobbatino

What is the acronym Renton hates?

Ok, a more serious one (though you may have answered this in the previous post).

What's one thing in or outside of the tables that you would recommend for newish players to do in order to foster their growth as players in the long term?

lol i cant remember what the original acronym was, someone should chime in with that.

I think step one should be to get a poker subscription, this will give your game a good leap if you pay attention to the videos correctly. There are some cheap alternatives such as grinderschool.com to go along with the other Top 4 sites. Newish players need fundamentals and a simply style to beat the low stakes and these sites can provide that. Newish players also need alot of patience and discipline to go along with the style they will ask of you at low stakes which I think is a stumbling block for many beginners.

Originally Posted by Gobbatino

What is the acronym Renton hates?

the problem with ldo is that everytime you type ldo it just comes up as ldo. see ldo ldo ldo ldo ldo ldo.........l_d_o ldo

ps da Goat. i'm going wo West Ham V Millwall!!! I'm a bit worried, but with all the police should be fine.


Poker Question: how big a diff did the session you had with ISF make to your game/bankroll? I know you touched on this above. would you recommend a $50nl playa do this? Or wait till I get higher?

I notice above you wrote - Simply, SNG->FR->6max - as a response to your poker journey.

Any advice to someone about to make the switch from SnG to money tables? (aside from read, read and read the FTR forums and guides)

Originally Posted by WillburForce

Originally Posted by Gobbatino

What is the acronym Renton hates?

the problem with ldo is that everytime you type ldo it just comes up as ldo. see ldo ldo ldo ldo ldo ldo.........l_d_o ldo

ps da Goat. i'm going wo West Ham V Millwall!!! I'm a bit worried, but with all the police should be fine.


Poker Question: how big a diff did the session you had with ISF make to your game/bankroll? I know you touched on this above. would you recommend a $50nl playa do this? Or wait till I get higher?

It would be sick to go to that game. Who you going with? Couldnt see myself bringing a little bro lol

I would recommend anyone I ask is ISF could offer you a lesson. Rates have gone up since for him to review a video you made so I dont know how likely a 50nl reg as yourself could pay for it. So maybe wait till you move up or try another coach or training site in the meantime.

I dont think you can quantify what a one off coaching session can give you imo. Maybe it helped solidify some thoughts or expanded some, Im not sure. I dont remember too much from the session but did come away abit enlightened I guess. I was pleased with how it went.

Originally Posted by DanAronG

I notice above you wrote - Simply, SNG->FR->6max - as a response to your poker journey.

Any advice to someone about to make the switch from SnG to money tables? (aside from read, read and read the FTR forums and guides)

Overpairs arent the pure nuts anymore so dont throw away stacks. Treat them as basically a different game although it will suit that you are probably a tight player anyway if u are winning at sngs.

cash games are so much more interesting than sng which is almost all math based and variance heavy. Id made recommend playing full ring first instead of 6max though which would be my best advice.

going to the game with my Dad (he's a season ticket holder, so got the tickets).

Glad i'm going with him as well. I'm a pretty big bloke with a shaved head, so can look a bit thugish. my Dad looks respectable and won't attract any bother.

I actually live over in South West London, so will have to travel through Sarrrrrrrrf London to get to game, prob with a few Millwall fans on train.

Ah well. Head down, ipod on, no colours, meet my old man. should be fine

lol sounds good

Do u consider yourself more of a mathematical player who uses stats and numbers to come to the majority of his decisions?

How many hands have u played at 200nl and whats your winrate at the stake. ?

And What type of girls(asian, euro etc) do u find the most attractive.?

Originally Posted by AnTman_69

Do u consider yourself more of a mathematical player who uses stats and numbers to come to the majority of his decisions?

How many hands have u played at 200nl and whats your winrate at the stake. ?

And What type of girls(asian, euro etc) do u find the most attractive.?

I dont think of much math stuff at all, Ive some decenty stats on my HUD but id check out only fold to 3bet/3bet/steal/opening stats mostly. I think of opps ranges tho like all the time. Obviously sometimes Im way off in reading their hand but I do do it alot.

Hmm, Ive played about 25k hands at 200nl on PTR.com for 4.4bb/100 but it hasnt updated frm my last session I beleive where I won nearly 3 buyins in 600 hands. Im about dead on a 5bb/100. Obv blah blah omg small sample but I find it relvatively easy and Ive only gotten in like 60k hands this year across all limits. Im running 5bb/100 exactly over the whole year so far on PTR.com (HEM is same as PTR.com

if you had to choose between to curses, which would you choose:

1. you could never see a naked woman again without her looking like rosie odonnel, or

2. anytime you looked at any HH on any forum it was just another iopq hand history

Yay my threads on fire.

Surviva316 you sir are a sick man!!

Hu4rollz.. occurs when?

31st October 2009, On Halloween your head will roll when we play!!!!

We all know you're just another FGator on a hot streak.

Which of these would you chose if you had to pick one.

1. Everytime you slept a bear came into your room once and hour and masturbated loudly over your face before leaving. You could not disturb the bear or it would kill you.

2. Everytime you slept you had to sleep on a bed of bent smashed up beer cans and bear semen with no pillows or blankets or duvets.

3. You didn't have to sleep EVER, but you were a bear with cronic masturbation addiction and lived in a cage where iopq told you how bad a player you were 24 hours a day and boasted about SPR ratios from time to time. (since he evidently doesn't sleep in real life anyways.)

4. You were iopq.

DECIDE.

carroters=stephen colbert?

Originally Posted by Carroters

Which of these would you chose if you had to pick one.

1. Everytime you slept a bear came into your room once and hour and masturbated loudly over your face before leaving. You could not disturb the bear or it would kill you.

2. Everytime you slept you had to sleep on a bed of bent smashed up beer cans and bear semen with no pillows or blankets or duvets.

3. You didn't have to sleep EVER, but you were a bear with cronic masturbation addiction and lived in a cage where iopq told you how bad a player you were 24 hours a day and boasted about SPR ratios from time to time. (since he evidently doesn't sleep in real life anyways.)

4. You were iopq.

DECIDE.

is it weird i find number 2 a very easy option lol

What is the beef you have with iopq?

He is one of the few here I can have a rational discussion with.

Maybe it is just for fun, I dunno.

Goat- My style of play involves manipulating opponents ranges and tendencies, but sometimes I get lazy and simply adjust to my opponents.

To my dismay, most of my opponents are not smart enough to make rational adjustments, and therefore I can not assume those adjustments. At which stakes does manipulation become more important than level 1 adjustments?

I feel I am outplaying close to every player I met, and since I only play because of the thrill of competition- do you think I should play at the stakes where I belong, although I am not rolled for it? Or is the competition at 400NL and above too tough for anyone who is not professional?

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

is it weird i find number 2 a very easy option lol

same ainec

To my dismay, most of my opponents are not smart enough to make rational adjustments, and therefore I can not assume those adjustments. At which stakes does manipulation become more important than level 1 adjustments?
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I'm just moving back down to 100nl after taking my first shot at 200nl (lasted about 15k hands but couldnt stick it). One of my concerns was people making me fold in exploitable ways, or people betting where they'd be unlikely to bet/raise for value, and really trying to get inside their heads. At the end of the day though, I cant actually remember ever catching a reg bluffing. Never at showdown anyway, maybe I got a fold or two but not very many. If I could go back and just fold every time I thought someone was likely bluffing I'd probably be a winner at 200nl.

Thanks BJ

I took a shot at 200NL myself today- and although some of the players were terrible, I mean worse than 2NL teribble, the regs gave me a severe beating.

There was a different flow than in 100NL, and uncertainty in most pots made decisions difficult.

It was humbling though. I think I should stick to the stakes I know I can beat for now- and in the future I can afford to gain experience at higher stakes. It is too expensive to "call just to learn" which i have done at every stake until now.

I can finally say I suck!! At 200NL and above that is.

for the record i don't take any issue with iopq. i just know that da GOAT (and like 60% of everyone else in the SHNL) hates like every post he's ever written.

as far as the BC goes, i along with the majority of the rest of us beginners, appreciate his posts.

i think some of the best BC moments have come when him and Robb have disputed whether to raise a TAgg's cbet w AJ on a J-high IP, and so forth

He is definitely a smart guy, maybe he just has some attitude problems- just like me.

Edit: I thought this thread was in the commune. Sorry for posting no poker content. The Bear dillemma comfused me.

It is a confusing dilema and one we must always be equipped to handle. Who knows the next time this will be asked of us..........Or is it just a huge metaphor for poker.

I also have no beef with iopq. I just follow like the peer pressured sheep in high school do.

Do you feel the majority of 50nl and 100nl have sufficient 4 betting frequencies? If not. Why not? And do you think this impedes their progress?

Do you feel you had sufficient 4 bet frequency at lower levels?


(I'm obv playing with 4 betting, ldo)

If I eat all my vegetables will I grow up to be tall like you?

Originally Posted by Sir Pawnalot

What is the beef you have with iopq?

Goat- My style of play involves manipulating opponents ranges and tendencies, but sometimes I get lazy and simply adjust to my opponents.

To my dismay, most of my opponents are not smart enough to make rational adjustments, and therefore I can not assume those adjustments. At which stakes does manipulation become more important than level 1 adjustments?

I feel I am outplaying close to every player I met, and since I only play because of the thrill of competition- do you think I should play at the stakes where I belong, although I am not rolled for it? Or is the competition at 400NL and above too tough for anyone who is not professional?

Ah theres no beef with iopq, his poker posts tilt me some but I realise meh pointless beef so no more flaming from me.

I dont know what stakes you play but Im assuming you play lower, are yu talking about going against bank roll management? If so I think you are def not as good as you think you are, your post I quoted sounds very ego heavy. I would also guess that you dont know how to manipulate a range as well as you think.

Im not trying to flame you but alot of beginners and people who have been grinding very low stakes for a long time think they are just so good at poker when they arent. Ego really puts a limit on potential.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

is it weird i find number 2 a very easy option lol

same ainec

Not sure what language you speak sir, ainec?

Originally Posted by bjsaust

To my dismay, most of my opponents are not smart enough to make rational adjustments, and therefore I can not assume those adjustments. At which stakes does manipulation become more important than level 1 adjustments?

I'm just moving back down to 100nl after taking my first shot at 200nl (lasted about 15k hands but couldnt stick it). One of my concerns was people making me fold in exploitable ways, or people betting where they'd be unlikely to bet/raise for value, and really trying to get inside their heads. At the end of the day though, I cant actually remember ever catching a reg bluffing. Never at showdown anyway, maybe I got a fold or two but not very many. If I could go back and just fold every time I thought someone was likely bluffing I'd probably be a winner at 200nl.[/quote]

Not levelling yourself is very important when moving up in stakes.

Originally Posted by surviva316

for the record i don't take any issue with iopq. i just know that da GOAT (and like 60% of everyone else in the SHNL) hates like every post he's ever written.

as far as the BC goes, i along with the majority of the rest of us beginners, appreciate his posts.

i think some of the best BC moments have come when him and Robb have disputed whether to raise a TAgg's cbet w AJ on a J-high IP, and so forth

As I said before Im not gonna be flaming him anymore as it just makes me look bad. His advice is fine for the beginners forum.

Originally Posted by jjbish

Do you feel the majority of 50nl and 100nl have sufficient 4 betting frequencies? If not. Why not? And do you think this impedes their progress?

Do you feel you had sufficient 4 bet frequency at lower levels?


(I'm obv playing with 4 betting, ldo)

4betting is like 99% with a hand they aint folding at 100nl down. It doesnt impede there game as such by not 4betting since most are 3betting light enough anyway vs them.

To have a sufficient 4betting freq I would be careful to maker sure you have a balanced range and dont bluff to often.

Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

If I eat all my vegetables will I grow up to be tall like you?

Possibly, I am 6 ft 6.5 in tall. I eat tons of veg but have also been the subject of 1980s government experiments. Where was the A team then to save me??

Most people don't 4b enough at 100NL which is why having 10%+ 3b is good against people who don't adjust. And you're not 3bing fish light, not 3bing too much OOP, so they see 6% on their HUD when you're really 3bing aggressively.

take a grinder with a basic grasp of simple poker concepts and a winning-ish a-game. One of those 15-12 Full Ring types around the 200nl mark who makes decent bonus/rb money and wins some at the tables too.

1) How best for this player to become a 4+ptBB/100 winner?
2) How best to exploit this player?

Originally Posted by daven

take a grinder with a basic grasp of simple poker concepts and a winning-ish a-game. One of those 15-12 Full Ring types around the 200nl mark who makes decent bonus/rb money and wins some at the tables too.

1) How best for this player to become a 4+ptBB/100 winner?
2) How best to exploit this player?

I thinks very hard for such a player to adjust to what I think will make them better. Its simple enough, drop down to about 6 tables. Id say 6 tables of full ring is equal to 4 tables of 6max, problem is big grinders get ''bored'' and just try dick wave 18 tables. Why are they bored? because they just play there basic standard strategy and dont know how to think about hands. When I played full ring I played like 10-12 tables, I sucked back then. Basically at 100nl and 200nl you still get away with playing your hand while putting little thought into your opps hand. Its a big obstacle for grinders of FR to drop tables and focus when they dont know right away what to focus on.

When you are learning on your own its very hard to see spots where its totally wrong to use your standard play or where your standard play is wrong all the time. This takes alot of practice and 12+ tabling isnt practice.

One thing is maybe just for a coupe sessions a week to drop a ton of tables, maybe record the sesh with audio to voice your thoughts.

To exploit a 15/12 super nit is easy, vamp up steals, steal for a smaller amount, play postflop according to their range and actions, they play mostly big time face up anyway, control yourself emotionally when they do fight back as they arent bluffing this time after u have been pounding on them for the last hour.

edit: wrong thread

holla! congrats on 4,000 posts of awesome.