3bet Pot QQ - really confused on ranges

Villain 20/17 - fold to 3bet is low - 50-60%

Posting as i couldnt decide on the rivre if i should be really scared hes still in the pot or that its an insta-value push

Really lost on his ranges that gets to the river...?

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Hero (BB) ($54.65)
UTG ($21)
UTG+1 ($20.75)
MP1 ($53.85)
MP2 ($21.85)
CO ($21.45)
Button ($55)
SB ($50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q
5 folds, Button bets $1.25, 1 fold, Hero raises $4, Button calls $3.25

Flop: ($9.25) J, 2, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.10, Button calls $6.10

Turn: ($21.45) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $12.75, Button calls $12.75

River: ($46.95) 3 (2 players)
Hero ????

I'd just c/rshove most turns here. as played, I would probably c/c mostly if I had reads he was fairly decent, but just shove if he's retarded. due to retards calling with Jx, but decent players probably folding to triple barrels but may go for thin value with some hands

Looks alright just shove the river for value.

jammo u block QT, value aj/kj hero 9x or random bs because of missed draws

jam it

guys that call 3b's this often can easily find a call on the river if you just shove with all kinds of Jx and shiz imo

Looks like a good value shove to me. Villain probably has tp, TT.

Probably make it a touch bigger pre, especially if he doesn't fold to 3bets often.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

jammo u block QT, value aj/kj hero 9x or random bs because of missed draws

You really think he'll stack off jx here?

I'm not light too often on this river given my line...

no one like a small b/c or c/c any here? isnt his betting/shoving range wider when check to him, or bet small, then the one that calls our shove? i mean, if we check we give him chance to bluff or to value bet his Jx, but if we shove does he really call air or TT or weak Jx here?

dont throw rocks, i am asking to understand why shoving here is better then c/c or b/c.

Think he's way more likely to call it off with Jx than to value bet it if checked to.

Originally Posted by Razvan729

no one like a small b/c or c/c any here? isnt his betting/shoving range wider when check to him, or bet small, then the one that calls our shove? i mean, if we check we give him chance to bluff or to value bet his Jx, but if we shove does he really call air or TT or weak Jx here?

dont throw rocks, i am asking to understand why shoving here is better then c/c or b/c.

Checking takes away all the difficulty for villain ESP with Jx

The only thing that concerns me is that I've noticed FR players will call 2 streets in the face of aggression but rarely hero call a 3rd street

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

You really think he'll stack off jx here?

some, if not all, of it yeah. and we can discount at least some of the better possible hand combos because they raise the flop or turn some %, and we also block a decent few of them as well. so just stick it in imo.

Def. Jam . If he is calling 3b that often your well ahead of his range here and i think if you check you will lose value from jx , you might gain some from his air range as he will more than likely bet when checked to, but Idk that's up to you and totally opponent dependent.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

You really think he'll stack off jx here?

I'm not light too often on this river given my line...

well if he doesn't, 3bet him a ton more and 3barrel a ton more

he can't call if you don't bet

Keep betting.

3bet moar pre if he isn't folding.