25NL turn sucks?

CO was kind of a shortstack shove monkey, MP was a freakin station 38/2 over 50h.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($22.25)
CO ($6.85)
Button ($25)
SB ($15.60)
BB ($35.90)
Hero (UTG) ($26.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, K
Hero bets $1, MP calls $1, CO calls $1, 3 folds

Flop: ($3.35) A, 10, J (3 players)
Hero bets $2.50, MP calls $2.50, 1 fold

Turn: ($8.35) K

gotta bet the turn right? but how much?

So CO has $3.35 left right?? Well then you are going to try and get the money in regardless, so I would check turn and see if he wants to rep the queen, he if checks behind then just shove him in on the river. Because i don't think he is calling without a Q often but when checked might think you were just making a c-bet? and shove the turn. I don't the value of betting the turn tbh?

CO folded :/

Definately a bet imo, MP can have a bunch of weak ass hands here as well as some flush draws and probably doesnt raise those. If we're lucky, he'd only raise the turn with Qx hands...but he probably does it with his JT, KJ, KT, AT, AJ hands as well...

Cuz of that, we probably have to call a raise (maybe even shove over) so i bet like 6 or so, hes got 13 left so probably call a raise or just get it in on a buncha rivs.

it was earlier i was tired, i am going to delete my post now....

I agree with JKDS, bet turn, infact, shove turn since opponent only has $3.35 left. Pot is too large to fold for $3.35, given villain could have a flush draw.

Not betting the turn gives a flush draw free outs, which he may very well choose to take. You also don't want to give him a walk to a split pot either. Bet max. If villain had a larger stack, it'd be a different story.

Altruist, you're misreading the HH, villain isn't the CO anymore, he has ~19 left b4 we bet, I bet the turn, calling a shove, and betting the river if just called on turn. EZ game.

Edit: Anywhere from 5-7 is good on the turn, setting up an easy shove.

We should be setting up the river pot so that it's slightly more than the remaining stacks. Then we can decide between shoving or check/calling depending on what we know about our opponent, etc.

Just so I can understand this:
So are we not worried about villain having a Q? Or is there so much more in his range besides a Q that we have to proceed like we are ahead?

Basically, hes going to have a ton of two pair, pair + FD, etc in his range that it makes it profitable to continue to bet here. Besides, even if he as a Q, we haz 4 outs!

This is the kind of spot where betting is best. You don't want to check the turn and have him check behind a hand like 2 pair he may call a bet with, or draw to a flush for free. He's a calling station. Give him something to call.

Code:

   7,348  games     0.001 secs     7,348,000  games/sec

Board: Ah Ts Js Kc
Dead:  

	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	64.392%  	59.15% 	05.25% 	          4346 	      385.50   { AsKh }
Hand 1: 	35.608%  	30.36% 	05.25% 	          2231 	      385.50   { A2s+, KQs, KTs, Q9s+, JTs, 98s, A2o+, KQo, KTo, Q9o+, JTo, 98o }

Bet $5.50 on the turn, if they flat then the pot on the river is $19.35 and villain with $13.25 behind, ship the rest in. If villain ships the turn meh, you're calling it off with $13.25 into $32.60 which is pretty reasonable against a range that has more than a touch of retard to it, and if he has the straight just spike an A or K. EZ game.

If we use ABCD you now have a B hand against a calling station. Pot control it.. there may be some thin value on the river.

Check/fold turn. If he checks turn, bet/fold river.

I don't think you see how much value we are missing by checking this turn Outlaw. He's calling with so much worse (keywords here are: CALLING STATION) all day. Its obv not a mistake to check here, but if we want to get maximum value out of our hand, we have to bet enough to get stacks in on the river. You're giving up too much to FDs, and giving other two pairs infinite odds to draw against our hand. That plus the fact we have 4 outs (give or take) + possibly 3 outs to chop = this is a bet.

Originally Posted by Outlaw

If we use ABCD you now have a B hand against a calling station. Pot control it.. there may be some thin value on the river.

Check/fold turn. If he checks turn, bet/fold river.

using the term "pot control" when we're playing against stations with a hand that's going to call down with a plethora of worse hands isn't often a good idea. let's go get AJ, AT, KJ, KT, JT, and sometimes various other Ax's stack and squeeze one more street of value out of a chasing FD.

K so say we bet 5.50$ and he just calls, river is 7h. Pot=$19.35 and we have $17.55 opp has $13.25. If we bet he can shove over ez, if we check he can shove over ez. Can we really fold in either scenario, pretty much if he has Q its just GG yeah?

@dranger, I think checking the turn is a pretty big mistake. Also it took me like 10 minutes to find a picture that really helped to express how I feel.

lmfao ^

definately bet the turn for value, and never give villain credit for turning a made hand into a bluff if you get raised. (same goes for if he has a flush draw etc)

I like bet-folding the turn $5. Villain is never bluffing as a raise here, but calls his flush draws/weaker two pairs/random aces here a bunch.