2 quick spots

Villain 19/17 3bet HU is 13%

This is never a fold right?

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

UTG ($16.85)
UTG+1 ($20)
MP1 ($59.90)
MP2 ($50.75)
CO ($58.65)
Button ($50)
Hero (SB) ($59.30)
BB ($23.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, 8
6 folds, Hero bets $1.25, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3) 8, 8, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $2.10, BB calls $2.10

Turn: ($7.20) J (2 players)
Hero bets $4.45, BB raises $20.25 (All-In), Hero calls $15.80 always...?


Dont reecognise villains SN but i have 500 hands or so on him - 15/14 standard TAGG - we havent mixed much i have a tight image.

Again - never folding right?

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

MP2 ($50)
Hero (MP3) ($56.05)
CO ($72.70)
Button ($10.40)
SB ($18.75)
BB ($97.30)
UTG ($50)
UTG+1 ($19.25)
MP1 ($64.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 10, 10
2 folds, MP1 bets $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50, 1 fold, Button calls $1.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($5.25) 10, A, 7 (3 players)
MP1 bets $4, Hero raises $12.75, 1 fold, MP1 calls $8.75

Turn: ($30.75) 4 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $18, MP1 raises $50 (All-In), Hero....

Hand 2 I would never ever ever fold.

Hand 1, I'm not sure I would call in game. Because it's BvB I suppose he always has some amount of b.s., semidraws, w-e but it sure looks like he has a flush and we lose to most 8x.

H1 : we need ~30% equity to call, besides A8,89,T8,9T, Axhh if he plays like this QJs and KhQx stove says it's a call

H2: i would always call there, you cant ever fold. i am a nit when comes to assign ranges but he never has just AA there. just 77 and it's enough to make it a call.

1. I think this is really close, I might fold vs this tightish looking guy, think these are mopre often the type to just call down with pair + draw hands and be more polarised here. If he has no air, him being polarisedish is pretty awful for us.

2. Are you srs OP?

Pretty much getting them both in always.

i wrote a long reply and thought i had posted it...
short version
hand 1 - fold
hand 2 - don't fold

H1, ehhh prob not folding often vs this guy
H2, not ever folding obv

i think we will see Qx often enough from this shorty in H1 to call it off. and i am not folding hand two in a millon years.

OP try puttting villain on a range in H1 pls and using pokerstove

H2 - do the same thing and see why you're getting the responses you are about how ridic it is to fold here

Originally Posted by caddie444

OP try puttting villain on a range in H1 pls and using pokerstove

H2 - do the same thing and see why you're getting the responses you are about how ridic it is to fold here

Did it occur to you I knew what answer I would get from stove but wanted to see what other people's opinions were on ever folding these spots when I feel villains ranges are heavily swayed toward nut hands?

I mean in hand 2 what do I actually represent? I'm clearly setting up to play for stacks and a decent winning Tagg knows I like my hand so what would make him stick his stack in the middle happily and quickly?

Why is everyone's answer these days have you pokerstoved it then you have your answer? Do we not actually look and see what our opponent is doing?

H1 is close but I'd be folding. Probably be calling with A8 or K8 but not with 87.

H2 I'd be calling every day and twice on Sunday. AA is the only thing that beats us at this stage and he could be making that move with a few more hands than AA so I think we're good to go.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

I mean in hand 2 what do I actually represent? I'm clearly setting up to play for stacks and a decent winning Tagg knows I like my hand so what would make him stick his stack in the middle happily and quickly?

i think i understand what you mean, you feel it inside that he has AA this time, i felt that lots of times that he has the fcking nuts this time and i should fold,but you cant, math says you cant fold. i really know what you wanna say.

have you really played so tight and your image is so clean that he put's you just on TT,77 here? doesnt your range include ATs,A7s and sometimes 89cc,QJcc?

we know he cant have TT, impossible, and by the way you expressed yourself he only CRAI's turn with AA cause your image is so tight. do you really think he folds 77 or just c/c turn with it? i dont think so, like i said, i am a dumb nitt with ranges and i fold a lot of spot that are +EV just cause i only give villain nuts, but this is a spot you can never fold, except if he was like 1% PFR and really passive, but like this you cant fold it.


you have to call 23.8 $ ( your left stack) into a 72 pot, so when you call you need 24% equity. vs any AA and just one 77 you have 26% equity so it'+EV, or any AA and just AKcc you have 24% so braking even. there is no way you can fold this unless he is just AA here ALWAYS, but he isnt so fcking tight. if we had 77, i would really consider a fold, but even then i think we can find a reasonble range that will give us a call.

Miffed in hand 2 do you really give anyone credit for realizing his set of 7s is no good, thus he'll only play for stacks with the absolute nuts?

We're getting more than 4-1 on our call with the 2nd nuts; there are 6 combos of sets he can have on the flop. Even if he would only play 77 like this 1/3 of the time we are getting the right price. This ignores the fact that he can have AKcc or AQcc that he's never going to fold either and would push to make you fold anything worse than AT.

His line with the range of hands you give is to call my turn bet not crai - better players bigger games then yes I agree with your assessment 100%

I'm kind of making the same argument I did in another thread when the ranges are really tight what worse would take this line? For a good winning Tagg to crai this turn he has to know hes getting called by worse. In reality am I stacking off with AT here - no everyone is saying 777 is closer maybe even a fold so where is the difference given villains line with the same realitve hand strength.

There is absolutely no reason for him not to play 777 this same exact way, and also you missed the point that even if he has AA here 3 times as much we still call.

Mis read hand one, Didn't notice this was 50NL and not 25NL lol and that villain is a half stacker. Defo call it off.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

Did it occur to you I knew what answer I would get from stove but wanted to see what other people's opinions were on ever folding these spots when I feel villains ranges are heavily swayed toward nut hands?

I mean in hand 2 what do I actually represent? I'm clearly setting up to play for stacks and a decent winning Tagg knows I like my hand so what would make him stick his stack in the middle happily and quickly?

Why is everyone's answer these days have you pokerstoved it then you have your answer? Do we not actually look and see what our opponent is doing?

Do you think that his nut hands (77,AA) are weighted differently in this spot? And if you do, can you please estimate the weightings.

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Originally Posted by daven

i wrote a long reply and thought i had posted it...
short version
hand 1 - fold
hand 2 - don't fold

Daven for mod!

Owate.

Roid for mod imo.

Miffed, he will play 77 this way almost if not exactly as often as he'll play AA. Also, doubt that we never see AK here. I think that wanting to fold here is an example of tunnel vision in poker analysis.

if villains range in hand 2 is 3combos of AA and like 1.09 combos of 77 this is a stack off so wtf is this shit?

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

if villains range in hand 2 is 3combos of AA and like 1.09 combos of 77 this is a stack off so wtf is this shit?

i was being retarded sorry