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    Default 100nl: C/R trips (top kicker) from the BB

    Villain is 15/13 steals 40% - nearly always for a minraise

    I am 12/10 - and if he has any idea, resteal 6% playing 24 tables


    I believe i made 2 mistakes in this hand
    *c/r the flop
    *c/r the flop - with no plan of how to react to a reraise (as if im honest i never expected to get reraised on the flop)

    I thinka typical 100nl player expects me to c/r a FD here, perhaps 66 and perhaps a Q (although i probably never have 66 here)

    Should i have c/r the flop?
    What do we do now - and plan for later streets if
    Turn is a or a

    No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop

    UTG ($102.15)
    UTG+1 ($219.95)
    MP1 ($102.45)
    MP2 ($123.40)
    CO ($267.10)
    Button ($112.55)
    SB ($156.85)
    Hero (BB) ($212.40)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, A
    5 folds, Button bets $2.40, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.40

    Flop: ($5.30) Q, Q, 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $3.30, Hero raises $10.80, Button raises $16.70 Hero ???
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    Can't either of you be raising any PP on the flop? He also raised small, so does he just think your full of it? Can you read anything into his Cbet sizing? The only thing your behind is exactly 66, and still can draw out 23%.

    Pretty sure just jam against a lot of worst Q and FL draw or big pair. I don't think he is folding anything that he 3bets, so just jam it up. (unless he was just bluffing anyway) Jamming = 3x whats in pot. Jam before an action killing diamond hits turn. Only thing he will fold is like maybe 7's-T's?
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    Pretty interesting that he can 3bet the flop, and still only invest less then 20% of his stack with his sizing.

    Check Raise bigger on flop pretty sure too. His smaller cbet size kind of weakened the raise size a bit. Technically we could have raised to $16 pretty easily if he bet $4.50ish on flop. That would make his 3bet much larger, and we could have gotten it in easier without being all awkward about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikes View Post
    WEEEEE!!!

    I had a feeling that was going to happen. I can already see the pot odds problem.....
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    wtf

    at least you posted it in the bc I guess
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    lol? shove
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    $34 let him jam a flush draw if he ever has it, or more rarely even air. He's always continuing with his worse Qs regardless. C/R is fine.

    3 betting for value preflop seems standard.
    Last edited by Carroters; 07-28-2011 at 06:37 PM.
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    I have no idea how your plan can be anything other than find the best way to get it in vs a flop 3 bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lolpwnt View Post
    lol? shove


    After I wrote "The only thing your behind is exactly 66, and still can draw out 23%." I just started laughing, and thought SHOVE! I expected to get FLAMED HARD. I was just laughing too much, so I had to go with it. The pot odds was a follow up joke.

    I am a moron, but not completely. I'm just in a goofy mood.

    Anyway I think the question here should be if a 4bet looks too strong, what do you we do with a blank or diamond turn? Pretty sure that's the question here. What kinds of unconventional lines can you take?

    Most villains I would 4bet personally though without a specific reason. (not jam) "why do all the pushing, when you can let the donkey do all the pulling."
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    I don't get the cr. Your range is like nuts/air amirite?
    As played clicking it back seems best.
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    C/R seems like by far the best line to me. Our range is probably flush draws air and Qx, but I don't understand why that's such a bad thing?

    If we c/c and check turn we allow him to c/b stuff like 88-JJ or a flush draw on the turn which is terrible or even b/f these hands or b/f overpairs, or even a weak Q if we go c/c c/r - just looks insanely strong and our range is like the nuts. By c/r the flop we build a pot vs loads of worse hands right now and it just allows us to get way more money in vs his whole range.

    What other line are you suggesting here and why?
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    We have trips+ way more than we have a draw. So in order to allow villain to call at all we need to airball some amount, or he needs to not give us credit for anything for some reason. If the board was QQTs I would start to slide into the c/r as an option - camp.

    You know that ranges on paired boards bvs are pretty erratic, even for otherwise solid regs. What exact line I would go for depends largely on his barrelling frequency on these boards... Since he doesn't have much either my overall line would be one that gets value from his middle pair and high card hands. I'd play AQ like I would TT is what I'm saying.

    I'm not completely sold on my line either. I'm just not sure how my c/r range would look there that he can't just fold the majority of his range without making a mistake.
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    I check raise bluff the living hell out of boards like this, if you're only c/r Qx here you should start bluffing a whole lot more imo. These are awesome boards for c/r bluffing on vs most villains since A: They c bet this all the time B: They have no pair on a board liken this loads and C: We rep a good amount of Qx combos.

    That said, I still don't expect 88+ to fold, he can still have loads of 2nd best hands, we're oop and don't see how c/c gets anymore value from most of his range, he probably doesn't barrel here a huge amount and c/c - check lets him play so well vs us with loads of his range and actually makes it harder not to rep only the nuts on future streets vs his TT type of stuff.

    Vs me he should never fold a pair here to a c/r, but even if we have no aggressive image, dynamic, and villain is straightforward and folds a lot, I still like c/r since we can't do much here to maximize value vs his air and weak pairs anyways by taking any other line, and c/r like I say, gets the money in most easily vs his 2nd best hands, draws etc. And yeah it balances all the bluffs and semi bluffs I'm going to frequently have here.

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