[5NL] 3x KK

Okay so the reason I'm posting these hands is because whenever this happens to me I feel like I'm burning money and what I really want to know is can any of you ever find a fold here in any of these spots.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $5.06 (101.2 bb)
BB: $5.20 (104 bb)
UTG+2: $10.45 (209 bb)
Hero (MP1): $13.36 (267.2 bb)
MP2: $7.02 (140.4 bb)
MP3: $4.92 (98.4 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $5 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K K
UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $0.40, 4 folds, Hero raises to $1.40, MP3 raises to $4.92 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.52

Flop: ($9.91) 7 T 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($9.91) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($9.91) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $9.91 pot ($0.41 rake)
Final Board: 7 T 2 7 A
Hero showed K K and lost (-$4.92 net)
MP3 showed A A and won $9.50 ($4.58 net)

Villain was 48/38 over 29 hands and this was the 2nd time he had 3bet.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

Hero (BTN): $14.20 (284 bb)
SB: $2.14 (42.8 bb)
BB: $2 (40 bb)
MP1: $5.17 (103.4 bb)
MP2: $6.15 (123 bb)
MP3: $4.83 (96.6 bb)
CO: $4.15 (83 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, SB raises to $0.35, BB folds, Hero raises to $1.20, SB raises to $2.14 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.94

Flop: ($4.33) 4 Q 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($4.33) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($4.33) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $4.33 pot ($0.18 rake)
Final Board: 4 Q 9 J 9
Hero showed K K and lost (-$2.14 net)
SB showed A A and won $4.15 ($2.01 net)

Villain was 12/9 3.7 3bet over 500ish hands.
Also fold to steal was 75%, SB 3bet 5% of 40 chances.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

BTN: $4.08 (81.6 bb)
SB: $2.85 (57 bb)
BB: $5.69 (113.8 bb)
UTG+2: $12.84 (256.8 bb)
MP1: $2.41 (48.2 bb)
MP2: $2.93 (58.6 bb)
MP3: $3.99 (79.8 bb)
Hero (CO): $12.50 (250 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K K
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN raises to $0.45, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN raises to $4.08 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.58

Flop: ($8.23) 8 K T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($8.23) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($8.23) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $8.23 pot ($0.34 rake)
Final Board: 8 K T 3 T
BTN showed A A and lost (-$4.08 net)
Hero showed K K and won $7.89 ($3.81 net)

Villain was 42/11 over roughly 40 hands and this was his first 3bet.

Rarely folding KK pre but...

H1 Not folding to a 48/38 esp in a FR game even with that small of a sample.
H2 Not folding to anyone with lol48bbs.
H3 Not stoked but not folding. He sucks is good enough reason for me.

The only way I can get away from any of those hands is villain's 3betting stat is 1% over a 1000+ hand sample.

std....online - never folding KK pre; live - done it I think once

Check your stats for kk aipf. Are you winning? Is your ev +? I've never looked at it but it would be interesting to see. If its +, carry on, if not, reassess.

Well, in each case the villain 5b shoves over our 4b. Does he/she ever do this without AA?

Unless you know your enemy perfectly here, it's hard to consider folding KK in any of these spots.

Be that all as it may, you have far more important leaks to plug than stacking off pre with KK I would have thought? I know it's not one I lose sleep over myself.

Originally Posted by The Norg

Well, in each case the villain 5b shoves over our 4b. Does he/she ever do this without AA?

Unless you know your enemy perfectly here, it's hard to consider folding KK in any of these spots.

Be that all as it may, you have far more important leaks to plug than stacking off pre with KK I would have thought? I know it's not one I lose sleep over myself.

Kinda this - we are never folding

2 and 3 are so standard its untrue.

Only number 1 is of any value to discuss - in the sense that id probably call here and c/r ai on any non A flop but otherwise complelty standard

Sadly for OP this is variance - it happens just dont shove over a 5/4 5betting all in 200bbs deep pre - that would be spew.

Don't worry about getting stacks in pre with KK.

Here's the crux... do you think these villains get away from KK vs your AA? Of course not. It's a beak even cooler.

you have far more important leaks to plug than stacking off pre with KK I would have thought?

^ this

Your 4bet sizing looks too big to me. Hand 1 his stats show he's awful so give him more room to do something stupid by inducing him - you can also outplay him a ton on flops as he's going to be terrible post. I'd make it $1.11.

Hand 2 SB is really short. While this makes it less likely that he's 3betting light, your sizing should change. You could flat pre, click it back, shove or make it $0.65, but your sizing is way too big IMO. Shoving would look weaker and all the others would give him the illusion of at least some fold equity so he's more likely to get it in with AJ/77 etc.

Hand 3 I'm not folding because of positions, he's only got 80bb though so your sizing should be more like $1.05 than $1.50. You won't have a problem getting it in post, you don't mind too much if he peels because you're still going to get value a lot post flop and he'll normally be strong and 4bet shove anyway.