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    Question [10NL] Q-High Flush OTT; Doomed OTR?

    $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
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    6 Players
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    Stacks:
    UTG ($10.30) 103bb
    UTG+1 ($10.18) 102bb
    CO ($12.65) 127bb - VPIP:21, PFR:13, 3B:2, FcB:1/1, AF:2.3, Hands:99
    BTN ($3.87) 39bb - VPIP:52, PFR:4, 3B:3, FcB:2/7, AF:0.9, Hands:108
    SB ($3.98) 40bb
    DoubleJ (BB) ($13.80) 138bb

    Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 6 players) DoubleJ is BB
    2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 1 fold, DoubleJ calls $0.20

    i'm getting 3.75:1 on my call and BTN is a 52/4 Fish.

    Flop: ($0.95, 3 players)
    DoubleJ bets $0.90, CO calls $0.90, BTN calls $0.90

    I lead out here w/ FD + 2 overs, looking to get it all in v BTN if i hit, but CO comes along as well.

    I put him on FDs, mebbe an OESD, mebbe a few PPs?

    Turn: ($3.65, 3 players)

    OK, so i've hit, but now what? i can bet for value vs. BTN as i'm massivley ahead of his likely calling range, but CO's continuing range is ~75% A-High or K-High Flushes now.

    If he did float some PPs, there's a decent chance that he'll fold these now leaving me HU w/ BTN, so i bet. Spewy?

    DoubleJ bets $2.90, CO calls $2.90, BTN folds

    O bollocks.

    River: ($9.45, 2 players)
    DoubleJ ???

    O bollocks, part 2. I beat about 1 combo out of 13 here.

    From his POV, if he opened with KsXs pre, he'd have about 28% equity vs. {AsJs,AsTs,As6s,As4s,As2s,QsJs,QsTs} and a shove would need a breakeven of 32%, but i don't think he's folding 2nd Nuts here.
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    The river is just kind of like whoops, but the rest of the hand seems fine. I kind of disagree about his turn range, but you can come talk to me about it in the FTR CHAT ROOM (no download needed) if you want.
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    Check and reevaluate the situation but probably fold in river to any bet of CO
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    I prefer check calling here for a few reasons, 1) i don't wan't to get blown off my hand here so early by c/o and btn can jam pretty wide and you won't have the right price to call even though he's very short. and 2) i would like to keep it multi way and keep the fish in the hand.

    As played i would of lead smaller and drawn cheaper, it also gives you a better price on your bluffs, Not so important here as you don't have any pure bluffs when you lead.

    I think bet flop bet turn and the river is a check fold.


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    Last edited by M.I.B; 05-03-2013 at 02:20 AM.
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    i'd probably check the flop. try to trap the fish' money in the pot after the reg CB's. i definitely don't hate leading though. i imagine both are +EV as long as you're not prone to making spewy triples in spots with low/no FE (like i am).

    turn lead i definitely think is best. we get value from the regs overpair/high spade hands, and tons of value from the fish.

    once we get to the river with the reg i'm definitely checking. i think it's too thin now to bet for value now - a decent chunk of villain's range now has us beat (and i can't see him calling us down too light given our line). pretty confident that C/F is better than C/C too because (as mentioned) lots of shit now beats us, and a lot of hands that we beat will probably be keen to get to showdown (as opposed to bluffing us)

    interesting hand

    ps i've edited/re-written this whole post because i missed stack sizes. don't think i've paid enough attention the details of a HH on this site since 'nam
    Last edited by rpm; 05-04-2013 at 01:00 AM.
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    I think the river is a c/f as I don't see him turning his hands into a bluff here and he's likely only jamming better spades. His line makes me think he has a hand with showdown value or he would have folded much earlier so I think he would lean more towards checking back such hands. This of course is assuming no reads other than stats. I like the flop lead as it disguises your hand if you hit and you setup a big pot if you hit. If you bet on this 4 flush river I don't see him calling with worse like ever. Correct me if I'm wrong. C/f river gg sir wp.
    I fold AA preflop.
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    how come no one has considered betting very small
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post
    how come no one has considered betting very small
    You can vary bet sizes?!?!?!

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    flop smaller? turn a little bigger? river $2?

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