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WTF is this? tilting line and annoying turn card $1/$3

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    Default WTF is this? tilting line and annoying turn card $1/$3

    Villain is pretty bad, doesn't really get out of line and generally isn't very tricky. Sorry not much of a read but it's what I got. He does tend to make weak donk leads quite a bit, so don't think his donking range is very strong.

    I'm in MP and raise AdQd over 1 limper to $15. folds to SB who makes it $30. Don't really see this guy 3-bet much and not sure what the min-raise means. We're heads up and we each start the hand with around 150 BBs ($450-$500)

    Flop: (pot $65)
    Villain bets $25, Hero raises to $75, Villain calls

    Turn: (pot $215)
    Villain bets $125....
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    i don't really know what his range is, but given your description, i think it's definitely time to fold. i'd also just call the flop. i can't see any value in raising really, especially after his tiny preflop raise. seems like we're just adding $ to his paycheck the times he has QQ+, and letting him off easy when he has 99-JJ/AK

    edit: ok i don't know what i think about flop upon further pondering. but i still think fold turn
    Last edited by rpm; 07-16-2013 at 12:47 AM.
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    call one probably fold 2
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    I folded the turn and I talked to some guys at the game who saw the hand. They feel that I'm probably good there. Fair enough, I thought, but just feel like not my default when I'm not sure where I am is to call in these games and that's probably a huge leak.

    Also I faced this sort of line multiple times this game, it really tilted the fuck out of me so I was wondering what this usually represents.
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    some mediumish strength hand trying to see a cheap river

    very rarely KQ+
    the large part of his probably AQ QJ, JJ-77
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    Default Not So Sure You Were Good

    He's strong pre-flop.

    Maybe he was trying to block you on the flop.

    But I have yet to find someone who bets $30 then $75 then $125 who won't beat your QQ here.

    I gave up trying to find that person and am guessing that was a +EV decision.

    JMHO.
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    JJ and TT are in his range (along with a bunch of stuff that beats you.)

    Why did you raise the flop?
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    Not my norm; this specific player makes so many weak lead bets that I feel like I need a decent amount of good TPTK/overpair hands to balance the times I'd raise him with good draws and/or air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord View Post
    JJ and TT are in his range (along with a bunch of stuff that beats you.)

    Why did you raise the flop?
    I feel very relieved that this is Fnord's response. This is what I thought word-for-word and totally wimped out of saying it.

    I wouldn't worry about balance in this spot live. I mean, I guess if you have a shitty memory or are otherwise bad at keeping track of (and exploiting) meta then you're just better off playing unexploitably, but when you're playing 30 hands an hour, single-tabling, seeing every player face-to-face, then you should be able to know what other people's impressions are of different plays. In any spot that's good to bluff, you should make your first one a bluff. Then you should start running that line with a wide, balanced range.

    This is the same philosophy I use with 3b'ing against the rare live player that it's good to 3b light against, btw. Build an image for 3b'ing wide before you start concerning yourself with building a good range.

    In a spot as common as cbets and isos, though, you have to be a bit more range-conscious from the get-go.
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    As played, I think this is a legitimately tough spot. The line looks a lot like a blocking bet, but $125 is a massive bet as far as $1/3NL regs are concerned. With this sizing, villain would have to be thinking of it as more of a merged range bluff, which is possible but not terribly common. I more often see AA+ check/whatever here, but there's a good amount of those hands in his range and I hate to say he would never take a line that's so obviously the best here.

    If we call, I'd like to do it quickly so we can fold the river comfortably. Tank/calling sucks, though even then I can't imagine described villain going too bananas on the river.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    Not my norm; this specific player makes so many weak lead bets .
    In 3 bet pots?

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