Teh Thread of Dumb

[Fnord]

This thread is for exceptional tales of live poker stupidity.

Here is one from last night I had to share.

BB is a pretty reasonable sort. Plays kinda bad, but seems to try. Didn't think much of him. He had about $1k and I covered.

I open from CO, BB defends.

~$80 in the pot
Flop is:


He checks, I bet $60, he calls pretty quickly.

~$200 in the pot.
Turn is:

He checks, I check behind because I've caught teh ghey

~$200 in the pot.
Turn is:
:Jd:
He checks, I bet $100 and here is where it gets interesting.

He looks really angry.
"I RAISE!" "THREE HUNDRED"
He slams out 3 stacks into the table and they spill over.

Some people look like this with the nuts, but I didn't have that read. He looked liked someone making a really bad bluff or overplaying something. Most people with the nuts here would just slide their chips or otherwise not make such a fuss as to discourage a call.

Anyway, I say fuck it, if he's got the nuts I'm paying it off. It's live poker, he'll call with worse.

"I'm all in"

"I CALL"

He SLAMS his cards on the table like they're the nuts.

"I HAVE A SET"

[d0zer]

Anyway, I say fuck it, if he's got the nuts I'm paying it off. It's live poker, he'll call with worse.

"I'm all in"

the Fnord. Any reasonable online nit is never doing anything but call / folding in that spot. I mean what worse hand could call there?

[mrhappy333]

Zing:
Imagine if he pulled out the 4,5 of spades. LOL

[LawDude]

Yesterday, 9/18 limit at Commerce. I am in the cut-off with 3h3d. I have a very tight table image, almost nitty. Two players who are absolutely donks on the river (they will wait until the river and then raise anything better than middle pair in most hands to try to induce folds) are acting before me in MP's 1 and 2.

All 5 players limp before me, I limp, button folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop is Ah6d2c
EVERYONE checks.

Turn is 3c.
checks to MP1, who bets. MP2 calls, I call, others fold.

River is a Kh
MP1 bets, MP2 raises, I 3-bet, MP1 and MP2 call.

MP1 shows A7 offsuit
MP2 shows 62 offsuit

Now, why the heck did either of them check the flop?

[Fnord]

I have a very tight table image, almost nitty.

You are a nit, this has already been established. Acceptence is the first step on the path to recovery.

Turn is 3c.
checks to MP1, who bets. MP2 calls, I call, others fold.

Raise, a bunch of draws turned that no one is folding (or giving action with on a blank river) and the Binds probably don't have shit anyway.

[LawDude]

I have a very tight table image, almost nitty.

You are a nit, this has already been established. Acceptence is the first step on the path to recovery.

Turn is 3c.
checks to MP1, who bets. MP2 calls, I call, others fold.

Raise, a bunch of draws turned that no one is folding (or giving action with on a blank river) and the Binds probably don't have shit anyway.

I could have raised, and would have, 9 times out of 10. But after watching these guys donk it in on every river I just wanted to watch the show. You should have seen the look of the guy who had the six-deuce. "Two pair no good?!?"

[LawDude]

And by the way, Fnord, you didn't answer my question. Why the heck did either of them check the flop?

[Fnord]

Looking for a clean turn card, LDO!

[LawDude]

Here's another one that didn't involve me, but which certainly belongs in this thread. UTG, who is kind of a fishy loose passive type, wakes up and raises pre-flop for the first time all night. Action folds around to the cutoff, who has been sitting there playing with UTG for the last 2 hours at least. CO calls the raise.

Flop is AT3 rainbow. UTG bets. CO calls.
Turn is a blank. UTG check-raises(!), the only time I saw him do that all night, CO calls.
River is a blank. UTG bets. CO calls.

UTG turns over AA
CO turns over T4 offsuit. Seriously.

He says "I didn't believe you."

[Fnord]

Standard, except the Turn Sexy.

[LawDude]

Standard, except the Turn Sexy.

Yeah, I kinda felt good for the fishy UTG in that situation. He probably had no idea of what his opponent's range was or any aspect of good poker playing, but nonetheless, he stumbled into playing it perfectly and getting paid off pretty nicely by a guy who was determined to be a bigger fish than he was. I wonder if that isn't the guy's first check raise in his life.

[Fnord]

When passive player show a sudden, inspired act of aggression, unimproved pocket Aces are at the bottom of their range.

[LawDude]

When passive player show a sudden, inspired act of aggression, unimproved pocket Aces are at the bottom of their range.

Agreed.

[oskar]

€1/1 game (I know... lol)

I'm in the bb with 8To, some limpers.

Flop: 799 rainbow
I check, UTG limper bets €3 into €5, everyone folds to me. I contemplate a c/r, but I'm a nit, and I'm kind of hoping he has a 9. I call.

Turn: 5

I check, he bets 3 into 12, I call.

River: 9

He bets €25 out of turn, dealer berates him, I fold. He shows me 55, as he generously tips the dealer collects the pot.

[Aces]

This hand didn't involve me but still hard to believe.

MGM Las Vegas, 2/5, MP has $500, BUT covers

MP is sunglass-wearing young Asian guy who looks like he just came from the WSOP store(literally). Makes typical raise to 25. BUT is older African-American, playing very weak tight and very bad. She calls. Flop comes whatever, 3 rags. MP bets 50, BUT calls. Turn rag. Pot bet and call. River comes putting an unlikely 4 card straight, no flush, nothing over a Ten. MP pushes, BUT hems and haws but finally calls. MP says "I missed the straight" and tables J9o, missing a flopped gutshot draw with no pair. BUT slowly mucks. Everyone at the table is like wtf? About midway through the next hand she figures out he missed the straight but she thought he said "I HIT the straight" and didn't verify or show her cards. Says she had QQ for the overpair. Asks dealer if there's anything he can do, that she had the best hand. That's the most expensive misread I've seen personally(that I know of). Worst of all she sounded like she couldn't afford it and yet bought in again.

I may have hit a good week in Vegas(Feb 18-24 this year) but I played with quite a few 2/5 players that should never ever play poker again at any level, they were that bad.

[LawDude]

This hand didn't involve me but still hard to believe.

MGM Las Vegas, 2/5, MP has $500, BUT covers

MP is sunglass-wearing young Asian guy who looks like he just came from the WSOP store(literally). Makes typical raise to 25. BUT is older African-American, playing very weak tight and very bad. She calls. Flop comes whatever, 3 rags. MP bets 50, BUT calls. Turn rag. Pot bet and call. River comes putting an unlikely 4 card straight, no flush, nothing over a Ten. MP pushes, BUT hems and haws but finally calls. MP says "I missed the straight" and tables J9o, missing a flopped gutshot draw with no pair. BUT slowly mucks. Everyone at the table is like wtf? About midway through the next hand she figures out he missed the straight but she thought he said "I HIT the straight" and didn't verify or show her cards. Says she had QQ for the overpair. Asks dealer if there's anything he can do, that she had the best hand. That's the most expensive misread I've seen personally(that I know of). Worst of all she sounded like she couldn't afford it and yet bought in again.

I may have hit a good week in Vegas(Feb 18-24 this year) but I played with quite a few 2/5 players that should never ever play poker again at any level, they were that bad.

What a great story, illustrating, again, a crucial point.

Beginning live players OVERRATE the value of mucking their cards so as not to provide information to other players.

Beginning live players UNDERRATE the value of showing their cards to ensure that if they have the best hand, they win the pot.

As a general matter, if someone isn't very experienced in live play, it's good practice to show EVERY time in a showdown situation. The reality is that at these low stakes tables, at least half the table isn't processing information anyway and won't play any differently no matter what cards you show. The EV of showing your cards > the EV of mucking them.

[Fnord]

/agree pretty much with what LawDude said.

Just table your hand if it might be good. If you play with fire on the river you will get burned.

[LawDude]

Here's an entry. I have QdJd on the button. The small blind is a player who I have taken a fair amount of chips from (including on a isolate-and-bluff, which you don't get to do very often in live limit), and he's clearly steaming and tilting. It folds to me, I raise, small blind re-raises (he's been doing this every hand), big blind folds, I call the re-raise. We are heads up and I am in position.

Flop is KhJsTc. SB checks, I bet, he check-raises. I think about it for a moment and call.

At this point, he shows me his King. As I said, he's really steaming. He just wants me to fold so he can take down a pot.

But the turn card is... wait for it-- the Ace of diamonds. Still showing me his King, he BETS! I raise. And he calls!.

River is a 3s. He bets again. I raise. He calls. I show my straight. He mucks.

Now I know the guy was steaming, but that's just DUMB!

(Oh, and by the way, just for Fnord: I executed the isolate-and-bluff with-- wait for it-- Queen-Ten offsuit, which I raised and capped pre-flop to set it up. An ace hit the flop, he checked, I bet, and he folded QJ face up to my continuation bet. You see, I'm not always such a nit. )

[Fnord]

Ni Han, I like every street.

[Azazel]

Here are some hands for your enjoyment(Game is $1/2 NL $40-80 buy in.):

Sit down on table wait for BB, first hand. UTG straddles to $13, 1 caller from CO, I push with JJ for $80, UTG calls me blind, CO folds. I flip JJ, he flips 102s, I take down pot.

I sit down in CO and post, UTG straddles to $10, UTG+1 calls blind, folded to me I 3bet to $35 with AQs, dealer calls, UTG calls blind. Flop is Q75 rainbow I push $45, both fold.

Sit down on table on UTG, wait one hand for BB. 3 limps round to dealer who raises to $10, I 3bet to $30 with QQ, MP2 flat calls, button pushes for $80, last hand this guy 3bet K10os so I call although slightly reluctantly, MP2 calls. Board cards K9945rainbow Button flips A10, I flip my QQ, MP2 flips Q3s.

I'm Button with $90, SB $90, UTG $200. I limp J10s and see a flop, 7 players. 457, checked all round. turn is 9, checked all round, river is 8. SB checks, UTG raises $2, I reraise to $15, SB raises to $30, UTG flat calls, I push for $88 total, SB calls, UTG calls both flip a 6.

[LawDude]

Here's one that happened tonight, 9/18 limit at Commerce:

UTG has been on tilt, playing too many hands too loosely, though he also has taken some bad beats. He's one of these jerks who is blaming the dealer for all his problems. (I hate this by the way, it's not the dealer's fault when you get bad cards.)

UTG limps in under the gun, a pretty good player in MP raises, folds around to UTG who calls. They are heads up.

Flop comes A54 rainbow. UTG bets, MP raises, UTG re-raises, MP 4-bets, UTG calls.

Turn is a 2. UTG checks, MP bets, UTG calls.

River is an Ace. UTG bets, MP raises, UTG re-raises all-in, MP calls.

UTG, beaming, turns over T3 offsuit and proudly and loudly announces "straight".

MP quietly turns over 55.

UTG throws a huge temper tantrum, blaming the dealer for dealing the ace on the river.

God, I hated this guy. The guy makes a terrible loose call pre-flop, bets the crap out of his gutshot draw on the flop against a good player representing a premium hand, then turns a lucky straight and check-calls on the turn to give his opponent a cheap river card, and finally overbets the river when the board has been paired and his opponent is representing a full house. And somehow this is all the DEALER's fault?!?

[Fnord]

The usual game. I have like $2.7k, drunk has 1.5k, other guy has around 1.7k.

Drunk limps, I raise to $50 with , Aggro regular makes it $100, folds to me and I call.

Flop is 3 cards. I check, aggro bets a stack of yellow plus a little more. I call.

Turn is something.
Checked through. Aggro says "same hand?"

River is a card.
I check, aggro bets a white chip and about a half a stack of yellow chips. I call. My hand is good.

I finish my drink.

[bjsaust]

lol, you tell a good story!

[Fnord]

lol, you tell a good story!

I play poker g00t too and think every street was correct in a stupid sort of way.

[bjsaust]

Dont disagree, just thought the way you described the cards was amusing and added to it

[mxiu]

first hand is standard, I swear I've had this happen to me more times than I can remember

reminds me of a hand i played this summer

Live 1/2 at the casino. Hero has $850, villain is sitting to the left and covers.

Little history... the guy had been there playing for 30 hours at this point, up whatever was in front of him (About $1100). I had been raising with garbage and having it shown down (and winning). My big hands were rarely shown down, so my image was really good for people to callme down lightly. He has been giving me next to no credit whatsoever and scoffing at the hands I've been raising. ie: Q6o/J8s/Q8o

Hero is UTG with KK, raises to 15 (standard in this game). Villain snap raises to 35. Hero doesn't want to play a particularly big pot given such deep stacks unless we see a nice board. Hero calls.

Flop: Kc Qc 6x

Hero checks, villain bets 75, Hero tank raises to 275, villain snap reraises 300 more, hero snap pushes, villain snap calls.

Turn: 3d

River: Ac

Villain shows: AQo proudly

Villain says he's been playing "perfect poker" all night long and couldn't believe I actually had a hand this time LOL

ship it

[sk8r_daniel]

3 limps, LAGtard player raises HJ to 13$, BTN calls. I am in the SB with

AK SOOTED and I raise it up to 50 bones.

Tight passive player decides to insta defend his UTG limp.

Old Asian dude who loves to gamble thinks for 5 seconds and calls.

The original raiser starts spazzing out and talking about how big the pot is, and how the pot odds are getting so good. I say, yeah I mean what can you do? And he calls.

By this point I am thinking to myself that Asian dude is definitly weak, and the original raiser has a real hand, but something I either dominate, or a medium to small pair. I am really worried about UTG who hasnt done anything out of line in a few hours. I have never seen him do this. I have been 3 betting alot so maybe he thinks im krazy, who knows.

The flop is Tc 4 3 rainbow. I check and everyone else checks! Turn is a 2c. I insta shove for 150 bucks. UTG folds! Asian dude calls after some thought and lagtard folds. River is a 9 and I show ace high and it is good for a pot of almost 500 bucks!

[dutch96]

THe one thing about live is the stories are better and a hell of alot more entertaining.... 3 weeks ago, sunday evening.. casino has one cash table running with the rest of the tables running the sunday tournament. Was fortunate to sit down exactly on my BB. 2&2 euro's SB/BB 5 limpers including blinds, Hero dealt 7d4d, flop 8c5d8d, everyone checks button raises 12, I flat call.... rest folds.... turn 6d.... I dont even move except the chair is getting moist from shitting myself, I check Button bets again 16... flat call. Turn 9h.... Look at his stack shook my head and commented, guess this is going to be a real short night for me... Pot bet.... Buttom instacalled.... shows 8 9. I exclaimed " Dontcha just love this game!!"

[Woutman984]

THe one thing about live is the stories are better and a hell of alot more entertaining.... 3 weeks ago, sunday evening.. casino has one cash table running with the rest of the tables running the sunday tournament. Was fortunate to sit down exactly on my BB. 2&2 euro's SB/BB 5 limpers including blinds, Hero dealt 7d4d, flop 8c5d8d, everyone checks button raises 12, I flat call.... rest folds.... turn 6d.... I dont even move except the chair is getting moist from shitting myself, I check Button bets again 16... flat call. Turn 9h.... Look at his stack shook my head and commented, guess this is going to be a real short night for me... Pot bet.... Buttom instacalled.... shows 8 9. I exclaimed " Dontcha just love this game!!"

So you had the nuts versus the third nuts and you did NOT stack this guy?
No offence, but slowplaying good hands is often SOOOO bad. unless you're doing it at exactly the right time with a very good read on your villain your often either giving your villain a chance to draw out on you, or your missing value.

[dutch96]

True to point, and without getting into a arguement. From the start it was obvious he had caught trips on the flop, at that point was just thinking diamond on turn reraise and if he repushed... Id let it go giving credit to the FH, when the 6d fell ( I creamed myself) & ... I just let him push and let him feel he had the nuts and play weak flat call....till the river, where I can bet out first. The Pot bet by that time, was about 3/4 of my stack that night. Decided to come in cheap as there where no super huge stacks the evening. I pretty much do the same thing with quads. Play weak and hope to god someone catches up.....

[LawDude]

Here's my contribution, although I am not sure if I was actually dumb or whether I was just in an impossible situation. Certainly cost me a big pot, though:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ii-t84086.html

[Fnord]

Limped pot, crazy game.

I'm on the button with :Ac:

~$50 in the pot.
Flop comes

Checked to me and I bet $40, folds to BB who calls.

~$130 in the pot.
:Jc:
BB bets $140 I call

~$410 in the pot
:Qs:
BB bets $320, I tank hard.... call.

My hand is good.

[Fnord]

Fucktard 2+2 with a forum printout and a copy of the Sklansky/Miller NLHE book opens for $40. Semi-Crazy Asian chick calls, I call OTB with . Blinds fold.

~$130 in the pot
flop:
buttmonkey checks, CACk checks, I bet $80, everyone calls WTF!!!!!

~$370 in the pot
turn:
assfuckchum checks, CACk shoves for ~500ish, I think for about 10 seconds before I go all-in, spanktard tanks hard... folds...

River is a club.

scoops!

Board: Kh Jh 5c 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 27.551% 27.55% 00.00% 162 0.00 { AcQc }
Hand 1: 29.932% 29.93% 00.00% 176 0.00 { 7h5h }
Hand 2: 42.517% 42.52% 00.00% 250 0.00 { AKo, KQo }


---

Board: Kh Jh 5c 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.091% 34.09% 00.00% 15 0.00 { AcQc }
Hand 1: 65.909% 65.91% 00.00% 29 0.00 { 7h5h }

Nice fold. You can take your equity and sunglasses and stop pissing in my favorite fish pond.

[Fnord]

Villain says he's been playing "perfect poker" all night long

Anyone who thinks this is condemned to forever suck at this game.

[pokerfan]

Some LAGgards love to donk bet & shove on the draw especially on the turn. nice call, Fnord.
Go Go for their poker donkey face!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uU4v...eature=related

[sk8r_daniel]

Live Home Game $10 buy in, lol.

blinds are at 25/50
Started with about 5k each

Villain doesn't have much of a clue about poker, but he is a math major and is usually quite smart.

6 handed, villain limps in HJ, limp party and i check my BB with As3c.

Flop (250) JsTs2d
and is checked around.
Turn puts a low 3rd spade out.

Villain bets 300. I know I should fold, but realise that I have ridiculous implied odds versus this guy. And to confirm....

River (850) 4th spade hits river and I check the nuts.
Villain bets 500, I raise to 2200. He insta calls and shows QQ no spade.

[Fnord]

Limp pot I have :Js:

flop is:
:Ks: :Kh: :Qc:

I bet $35 or so, semi-tight/passive calls, everyone else folds.

turn is
I check, he checks.

river is
I check, he bets $45, I tank... "ok, I'll pay you off" call... he mucks.

[LawDude]

Limp pot I have :Js:

flop is:
:Ks: :Kh: :Qc:

I bet $35 or so, semi-tight/passive calls, everyone else folds.

turn is
I check, he checks.

river is
I check, he bets $45, I tank... "ok, I'll pay you off" call... he mucks.

I had one of those recently, Fnord. I had 6c5c in a multiway pot in late position. Flop gave me an open ended straight draw so I bet it, and a couple of players called me. I missed the rest of the way, and we checked it down. Showdown comes and BOTH PLAYERS IMMEDIATELY MUCK THEIR CARDS. Now I am confident that SOMEONE could beat six-high, but I was happy to take the pot.

[KoRnholio]

Play the board to win! I need to play live way more..

[Fnord]

From the "I play bad" dept.

Fish limps
I make it $50 with :Qc: :Tc:
Tight/passive scared money makes it $150. This is the 3rd time he's done this in the last hour. I knew he had it the last two times. I play with him quite a bit and figured he might start to get the idea that 3-betting me works well. So I call, intending to play some poker.

Flop:


I check, he bets $250, I shove, he sighs, calls.




Kings no good.

[Fnord]

Semi-loose/passive goes nuts on a blank/paired board with Semi-loose/aggro.
Board is blank with a pair.
Turn action: Passive bets $100, Aggro raises to $300, Passive re-raises to $500, Aggro calls.
River: brick. Passive bets $200 and change all-in (WTF?), Aggro calls.
33 unimproved > AK Aggro wins.

He reloads.

Passive limps. I make it $50 on the button with , blinds fold, limper calls.

Flop:
:Kh: rag

I bet $75, call

Turn:
brick
I bet $200, call

River:
air
He puts his last $40 or so in, I snap.

no good.

Guess he's onto my isolate + double barrel line...

[LawDude]

From the "I play bad" dept.

Fish limps
I make it $50 with :Qc: :Tc:
Tight/passive scared money makes it $150. This is the 3rd time he's done this in the last hour. I knew he had it the last two times. I play with him quite a bit and figured he might start to get the idea that 3-betting me works well. So I call, intending to play some poker.

Flop:


I check, he bets $250, I shove, he sighs, calls.




Kings no good.

Way to suck out.

15/30 limit at Hollywood Park. I am on the button with 8c6c. A loose aggro raises from MP, everyone calls (including me).

Flop is 4d2d2c. Checks to MP, everyone calls, I call, BB (another really loose player) 2-bets, I call. At this point I figure given how loose the bettor and raiser are, I may actually be good if I hit a pair. Plus I have a backdoor flush draw. That said, it was a stupid call.

Turn is 6h. BB bets, MP calls, 1 other caller (my guess is flush draw), I raise (thinking I'm good), BB calls (at this point I don't know what he has), and MP raises! (Uh oh.)

OK, now I know I am in trouble. But there's a ton in the pot and I figure what the heck and make a VERY loose call. Presumed flush draw and BB also call.

6 on the river. BB bets, MP calls, I raise, BB and MP call.

BB had 44. MP had AA. I win gigantic pot playing absolutely awful poker.

[pokerfan]

A A 2 A 6 board. Two guys raised and reraised all-in on the river. They showed down JJ and KK, respectively. Sadly, i was tight enough to fold ATo from UTG.. Hmmmm, Its a $10K bad beat jackpot hand.
This is so dumb dumb dumb dumb

[Aces]

A A 2 A 6 board. Two guys raised and reraised all-in on the river. They showed down JJ and KK, respectively. Sadly, i was tight enough to fold ATo from UTG.. Hmmmm, Its a $10K bad beat jackpot hand.
This is so dumb dumb dumb dumb

you didn't need to use both hole cards for the bad beat?

[pokerfan]

A A 2 A 6 board. Two guys raised and reraised all-in on the river. They showed down JJ and KK, respectively. Sadly, i was tight enough to fold ATo from UTG.. Hmmmm, Its a $10K bad beat jackpot hand.
This is so dumb dumb dumb dumb

you didn't need to use both hole cards for the bad beat?

you have to use both hole cards. My T kicker is good enough to take down the jackpot. Fucking sooo tight ATM

[Fnord]

$5/$10 $1k max, $1k effective

Straddle, straight forward player makes it $45, 4 callers, I make it $200 from the BB with :As: Folds to second caller who calls. He's been pretty straight forward so far.

A bunch of chips in the pot, ~$700 behind

Flop is :Ac: :Kh: :Td:
I bet $300
Caller is in pain. Eventually he just pushes. I hate life and call.




MHIG!

[Primus Sucks]

Guess he's onto my isolate + double barrel line...

Unfortunately everyone at my homegame is onto this.

[LawDude]

Heard at the 3/6 San Manuel table. (It was the highest limit they had going at the time! Thankfully, the drop at the Indian casinos is far lower than at card clubs and, combined with the fishy style of play, makes the table quite beatable.)

Seat 3 = old blowhard who plays every hand (we'll call him OBWPEH).

Seat 5 = nitty young woman (we'll call her NYW).

Seat 6 = quiet calling station (we'll call him QCS).

Seat 8 = me

I was UTG and had 7h6h. Since everyone was limping everything, I wasn't worried about finding myself heads-up against an aggressor, so I just limped to get the multi-way pot I wanted. 6 other players come in, so we are 7-way to the flop. Perfect.

Flop is 666.
I check, OBWPEH bets, NYW folds, QCS calls, I call. (The other players folded.)

Turn is a meaningless card.
I check, OBWPEH bets, QCS calls, I raise, OBWPEH folds after making a speech about how he doesn't like his pocket pair anymore, QCS calls.

River is a meaningless card.

I bet. QCS calls. I show my 76. QCS mucks. I collect big pot.

At this point, OBWPEH expresses outrage as to my check-raise on the turn. "You played that TERRIBLY", he says. "Why would you check-raise the turn rather than slow-playing out to the river?"

I normally wouldn't reply to this, but the guy was really being obnoxious and I was about to leave in an orbit or two anyway, so I said "I was out of position."

This really set OBWPEH off. "Position doesn't matter when you have the nuts.", he declaimed. NYW agreed. "You only worry about being out of position when someone could have a better hand."

I guess I can't argue with that logic, can I?

(P.S.: I was pretty quiet and card dead against these folks for a couple of hours, then had, in rapid succession, a set of 4's that held up against a suited board, pocket 10's that got called by everyone and raised by noone on 3 streets, a nut flush, and the quads. I ended up with a fair amount of everyone's money, and they didn't like me very much.)

[daven]

plo 200euro, 2-2 blinds, deep table.

both players about 350bb deep.
straddle, aggro reg opens, degen maybe solid 3-bets, reg 4-bets, degen 5-bets, reg calls or something and somehow they end up all in pre. Flop comes 3 cards, degen mucks out of turn.

daven leaves the table, luckily only a few blinds poorer for the experience...