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  1. #76
    haha, holy shit. wazzup is a destroyer.
  2. #77
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    I think Wazzup should put the A in the front instead of the middle.
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    Playing the flush was a bad move, too. WAZZUP broke 4 pairs to do so: A's, K's, 9's, & 5's.

    With the ability to play a large pair up top, in this case, A's w/ Q's up in the mid and K's up on the bottom, I don't think the flush was worth it.

    The A's up top prevents a sweep better than a flush on the bottom, and is worth 9 royalties compared to only 4 for the flush.
  4. #79
    yeah, good point. I think Wazzup only thinks of FL right now as

    - Best possible hand in back
    - 2nd best in mind
    - Worst up top

    So he doesn't consider "most royalty points" or anything yet.
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    Searching for most royalty points might be a good improvement for WAZZUP.

    When I have FL, I sort for suits, and see if I have any straight flushes. If no, I make a mental note of which suits I can flush in, and if there are 6 or more to suit, allowing some flexibility.

    Then I sort for card value and pull out any trips (or quads). If I have Q's+, I try to find a way to set it in the top.

    There are times when I would break 3 or more pairs to make a flush... if they were small pairs... if I was able to play 2 flushes, for 12 royalty points (4 in bottom, 8 in mid).

    Generally, looking for highest royalties is how I do it.
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    I don't think Wazzup should set kings on the bottom here.
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    Waz shoul set the deuce mid instead of front here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Searching for most royalty points might be a good improvement for WAZZUP.

    When I have FL, I sort for suits, and see if I have any straight flushes. If no, I make a mental note of which suits I can flush in, and if there are 6 or more to suit, allowing some flexibility.

    Then I sort for card value and pull out any trips (or quads). If I have Q's+, I try to find a way to set it in the top.

    There are times when I would break 3 or more pairs to make a flush... if they were small pairs... if I was able to play 2 flushes, for 12 royalty points (4 in bottom, 8 in mid).

    Generally, looking for highest royalties is how I do it.
    Yeah... this is not fully true.

    It's a clever balancing act between breaking straights and flushes for pairs. I'll try to codify this more in the coming days.
  9. #84
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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  10. #85
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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  11. #86
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgboy View Post
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    One thing stands out as kind of a major issue:
    Why is WAZZUP discarding 2's when he set a gutshot that needs a 2?

    The other 2 are drunken flushes. WAZZUP might have drunken gutshots now, too..?
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    Wazzup should have set the Queen in front instead of mid.
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  14. #89
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    In Wazzup's shoes I don't know what should be done with the Q, Qc there, but I think my preference would be to put them in the middle. Splitting them up with the Qc bottom and a Q top might be an option too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoRnholio View Post
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    In Wazzup's shoes I don't know what should be done with the Q, Qc there, but I think my preference would be to put them in the middle. Splitting them up with the Qc bottom and a Q top might be an option too.
    Right, when Wazzup gets the 4th flush card on the first draw then he should be more patient and wait for the 5th flush card instead of blocking it with a pair.
  16. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Right, when Wazzup gets the 4th flush card on the first draw then he should be more patient and wait for the 5th flush card instead of blocking it with a pair.
    I agree, plus locking in a pair of queens on the bottom in Pineapple after 7 cards isn't a good play at all
  17. #92
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lherbert2014 View Post
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    I think this is pretty good for WAZZUP. No drunken mistakes, it looks like.
    9th was a bit of a mistake. Wazzup DID complete the flush, but could have completed the flush with another card, and used the 4 to make a pair in the mid.
    Having made that play, there is some hope for FL, so playing the K up top on 11th makes sense, and leaving the middle open is necessary to maintain the FL shot.
    Now, on 13th, it's a bit of a luckbox, but playing in such a way that you capitalize on luckbox draws is important.




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  19. #94
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    wazzup was in fantasy land .surely a king high flush is better for him , then an a-5 straight in the middle and pair of 8's up top
    Last edited by Keith; 01-17-2014 at 07:46 AM.
  20. #95
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    Kind of a goofy set. If he were to go for FL, which would be better? J7/K3/Q, KJ/73/Q or maybe KJ/7/Q3? KQJ/7/3 seems like a very weak draw for a pineapple hand.

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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    I would have split the mid and put 9's up top.

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    Actually, now that I look at it, I'd have played it

    TTK
    QQ864
    AA993

    As a general rule, if you have 4 pairs and no straights or flushes or trips, this is how it should go. If you can't put a royalty pair up top, put 2-pair in the mid.

    If your pair up top is 6's or 7's, estimate your opponent's play style. Sometimes a small pair up top is fine, and other times the weakness in the middle is more of a threat.


    If you have 5 pairs and no straights, flushes, or trips, then It should almost always go like this:

    99A
    TT33Q
    JJ557

    Best pair to the bottom, next pair to the mid, next pair to the top. Finish it off by placing the final pairs to make 2-pair on the bottom and the mid. Place kickers top down. This gets max royalties from the top, and it's the only place you'll be getting royalties with this FL draw.
  23. #98
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    He made himself foul on 11th street :P

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    Yes. We've been through this before - if he sets 3 to a flush then he shouldn't give up on it with the first draw unless he's at least setting a pair. The Q in back on the first draw is a huge mistake for him. This led to an even bigger mistake - fouling with the third draw (10th and 11th cards).
  25. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Yes. We've been through this before - if he sets 3 to a flush then he shouldn't give up on it with the first draw unless he's at least setting a pair. The Q in back on the first draw is a huge mistake for him. This led to an even bigger mistake - fouling with the third draw (10th and 11th cards).
    That too. But my point was that he literally played his 11th street in such a way that he guaranteed a foul. He could have placed the King on the bottom and the 2c in the middle to make a shitty, but non-fouled, hand.
    Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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    Yeah, he should have some sort of if then logic such that if a set causes a foul then don't do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Yeah, he should have some sort of if then logic such that if a set causes a foul then don't do it.
    Umm, yeah!!! Personally, I don't mind Wazzup fouling.
    It takes 2 years to learn to talk, but a lifetime to learn when to shut up.
  28. #103
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    wazzup played this strangely.
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  29. #104
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    ^ How to hit FL with -22 against Wazzup. Not bad, Wazzup.
  30. #105
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    This is dumb. How can you go from Fantancyland to Foul? This does not make any sense.
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    Agreed. This is a serious bug.
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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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  34. #109
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    Looks good.

    It's not worth breaking 5 pairs to make a flush.

    It's not worth breaking 3 pairs to make an 8-high straight, leaving only a pair of 2's up top.
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    Waz should do the five card set differently - no deuce in front and no king in back.
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  36. #111
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    Waz should not put the king on the bottom with his first draw.
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    Especially when the discard is another Q... I see stuff like that a lot when looking at WAZZUP's discards in the threads.
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    Waz should set the ace from his first draw mid instead of back.

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    I think setting AA in back is too conservative.
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    Setting KK in back is too conservative.
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    No reason for Waz to foul here.
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    I don't like the choice Waz makes with his first draw.
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    Vegas Dave (duck) said aces never go in back in the five card set in pine. I agree with him, Waz set this wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Vegas Dave (duck) said aces never go in back in the five card set in pine. I agree with him.
    Well, I mean.. I'm not breaking trips or quads, and they have to go on the bottom, but yeah...

    Aces to the mid if there's a K or Q to go up top, otherwise, Aces up top.
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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
    Why does Waz only set tens in back so early?
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    Waz should not set QQ bottom here.
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    This set by Waz is bad. X / 67 / 933 is better.
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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    WAZZUP should have played
    AK6/TT775/JJ993

    It's the better play, and it would have won the mid.
    Last edited by MadMojoMonkey; 03-10-2014 at 02:02 AM.
  49. #124
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    is wazzup setting the Ace up front bad as it puts pressure on his middle to be strong to beat potential Aces in front . Ace in the middle would let him pair aces in the middle row allowing any later Kings or queens to go up front without fouling.
    Last edited by Keith; 03-14-2014 at 03:28 PM.
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    Waz should not set AA in back here.
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  51. #126
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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  52. #127
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    Hi Everyone,

    We changed Wazzup's name to GlassJoeBot today.

    Cheers,
    Eric
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    Should the bot have played this differently?
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  54. #129
    Should the bot have played this differently?
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  55. #130
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    Mika0987, yeah, the bot threw away his straight flush draw on the bottom on the first draw. That's pretty bad. Try playing baldbullbot - he's better than glassjoebot.

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